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Lineal, I think your opinions and knowledge are much respected here. @Master mentioned a while ago about you doing a pound for pound list. I would like to see you do this. Perhaps you want to stay objective which is admirable but most of the guts here No fuck all about boxing and I think you could teach then a lesson . ( that was an insult that used to be thrown around often around here, haven't seen it in a bit, I'm trying to bring it back, ie @Master knows fuck all about boxing)
I think Lineal is smart to stay out of the p4p fray. I enjoy his rankings and updates very much as well..... but I think it's better for him to stay out of the mess that is p4p. Those that know f*ck all about boxing wouldn't learn a lesson if it came up from the ground and swallowed them whole.
Thanks all very much. I'm glad to hear the rankings are being utilized. At the very least they are a reliable source for identifying some of the best fighters in every division.
I thought the new term was: DKSAB
As for P4P; we all have a rough idea of the best fighters around today. I just feel too many focus on that mythical list and who has been ranked ahead of who, instead of just watching these fighters and enjoying the fights. I could care less if someone rated Chocolatito above Ward or Rigondeaux. I understand the debate and used to take part and enjoyed them but now it seems more about trolling and hollering than about analyzing and discussion.
What about a monthly site P4P list? Has that been done? Get the forum to vote and a general feel of what we are all thinking. Then the polls close and the list is posted.
As long as a reasonable amount of good fights and match-ups are made every year I'm happy.
Ring card girls again? I can't promise anything
McDonnell was a clear winner in the second Kameda fight. The American comms - Paulie and Virgil - were the only two ringside that had Kameda winning. Paulie admitted afterwards that he got it wrong.
I have no idea why people are calling Yamanaka-Moreno a "robbery?" There were a load of 50-50 rounds with Moreno having a big 9th then Yamanaka having a big 10th. Close fight.
(( @Lineal - these are just observations from reading the thread, not a criticism of your ratings))
Viktor Postol skyrockets to the top of the Super-Lightweight division.
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Ratings updated:
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CRUISERWEIGHT:
Number seven Victor Emilio Ramirez (22-2-1, 17 KOs) fought to a close twelve round split draw with previously unrated gatekeeper Ovill McKenzie (25-12-1, 13 KOs). McKenzie enters at number ten. Previous number nine Thabiso Mchunu (16-2, 10 KOs) who was knocked out in his last bout exits to make room. Dmitry Kudryashov (18-0, 18 KOs) is up one from tenth to ninth.
SUPER-LIGHTWEIGHT:
Viktor Postol (28-0, 12 KOs) smashes his way into the rankings in style with a tenth round knockout over previous number one Lucas Matthysse (37-4, 34 KOs). Postol takes over the as number one. Matthysse slips to second. Everyone rated two and below previously drops a place each. Jessie Vargas (26-1, 9 KOs) drops from fifth to eighth due to inactivity. Jose Benavidez (23-0, 16 KOs) moves up to sixth. Adrian Broner (31-2, 23 KOs) advances to number seven after scoring a twelve round stoppage over fringe contender Khabib Allakhverdiev (19-2, 9 KOs). Antonio Orozco (23-0, 15 KOs) enters at number nine after winning a close ten round unanimous decision over previous number eight Humberto Soto (65-9-2, 35 KOs). Soto falls to tenth. Omar Figueroa (25-0-1, 18 KOs) and Ricky Burns (38-5-1, 12 KOs) formerly ninth and tenth respectively are pushed out of the rankings to make way for the two new entrants.
SUPER-FEATHERWEIGHT:
Number three Javier Fortuna (29-0-1, 21 KOs) scored a tenth round stoppage over unrated Carlos Ivan Velasquez (19-2, 12 KOs). Number eight Jose Pedraza (21-0, 12 KOs) won a very close questionable twelve round split decision over previously unrated Edner Cherry (34-7-2, 19 KOs). Cherry enters at number eight. Bryan Vasquez (34-2, 18 KOs) slips a spot from eighth to ninth. Romain Jacob (23-0, 7 KOs) is pushed down from ninth to tenth. Oscar Valdez (17-0, 15 KOs) tenth last time is squeezed out of the ratings for now.
FLYWEIGHT:
Moruti Mthalane (31-2, 20 KOs) falls from third to sixth due to inactivity. Everyone rated four to six last week advances a place each. Previous number nine Suguru Muranaka (22-2-1, 7 KOs) exits due to inactivity at this weight. Moises Fuentes (22-2-1, 12 KOs) moves up a place from tenth to ninth. John Riel Casimero (21-3, 13 KOs) returns in the tenth spot.
LIGHT-FLYWEIGHT:
Number three Paipharob Kotietgym (31-0, 24 KOs) stopped unrated Jopher Marayan (7-8-2, 3 KOs) in two rounds. No changes.
Terry Flanagan becomes a player in the Lightweight division.
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Ratings updated:
https://boxranks.wordpress.com/2015/...-october-2015/
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LIGHTWEIGHT:
Argenis Mendez (23-3-1, 12 KOs) enters the ratings at number two after winning a very close debatable ten round unanimous decision over number one Miguel Vasquez (35-5, 13 KOs). Vasquez holds onto the top spot. Everyone rated two through five last time moves down a place. Jorge Linares (40-3, 27 KOs) now number six destroyed unrated Ivan Cano (23-7-2, 5 KOs) in four rounds. Last week’s number nine Miguel Roman (52-11, 39 KOs) exits as he is headed back down to Super-Featherweight. Terry Flanagan (29-0, 12 KOs) advances from tenth to seventh after a superb second round stoppage over fringe contender Diego Magdaleno (28-2, 12 KOs). Sharif Bogere (27-1, 19 KOs), Kevin Mitchell (39-3, 29 KOs) and Emiliano Marsili (32-0-1, 14 KOs) all shuffle down two spots each to eighth, ninth and tenth respectively.
SUPER-FLYWEIGHT:
Number five Omar Narvaez (44-2-2, 23 KOs) won a wide ten round unanimous over unrated Diego Luis Pichardo Liriano (16-7-1, 3 KOs). No changes.
MINIMUMWEIGHT:
Number three Wanheng Menayothin (39-0, 14 KOs) kept busy against unrated novice Ardi Buyung (2-5, 0 KOs). No changes.
Nice to see you had Flannigan ranked ealier I had never noticed him.
Flanagan is in the mix now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Golovkin dismantled another opponent.
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Ratings updated:
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HEAVYWEIGHT:
Number four Kubrat Pulev (21-1, 11 KOs) remained active with an eight round unanimous decision over unrated George Arias (56-14, 42 KOs). No changes.
LIGHT-HEAVYWEIGHT:
Andrzej Fonfara (28-3, 16 KOs) advances a place to seventh after winning a twelve round unanimous decision in a wild war against fringe contender Nathan Cleverly (29-3, 15 KOs). Isaac Chilemba (24-2-2, 10 KOs) slips a spot to eighth.
SUPER-MIDDLEWEIGHT:
Number eight Robert Stieglitz (48-5-1, 28 KOs) got back in the win column with a second round stoppage over unrated novice Robert Rosenberg (6-2, 5 KOs) in a Light-Heavyweight bout. No changes.
MIDDLEWEIGHT:
Number one Gennady Golovkin (34-0, 31 KOs) dominantly beat down number four David Lemieux (34-3, 31 KOs) to an eighth round stoppage. No changes.
SUPER-WELTERWEIGHT:
Demetrius Andrade (22-0, 15 KOs) re-renters the ratings at number six after scoring a victory in his first fight in over sixteen months stopping unrated Dario Fabian Pucheta (20-3, 11 KOs) in the second round. Everyone rated six through nine previously moves down a place each. Julian Williams (21-0-1, 13 KOs) formerly tenth is squeezed out of the ratings for the time being.
WELTERWEIGHT:
Previous number seven Devon Alexander (26-4, 14 KOs) exits after losing a close ten round unanimous decision to previously unrated gatekeeper Aaron Martinez (20-4-1, 4 KOs). Martinez enters at nine. Sadam Ali (22-0, 13 KOs) and Danny Garcia (31-0, 18 KOs) move up a place each to seventh and eighth respectively. Felix Diaz (17-1, 8 KOs) enters at number ten after losing a controversial twelve round majority decision to last week’s number ten Lamont Peterson (34-3-1, 17 KOs). Peterson exits the ratings for now.
FEATHERWEIGHT:
Number four Lee Selby (22-1, 8 KOs) won a hard fought twelve round unanimous decision over unranked veteran Fernando Montiel (54-5-2, 39 KOs). No changes.
SUPER-FLYWEIGHT:
Number six Kohei Kono (31-8-1, 13 KOs) won an exciting twelve round unanimous decision over fringe contender Koki Kameda (33-2, 18 KOs). No changes.
FLYWEIGHT:
Champion Roman Gonzalez (44-0, 38 KOs) defended his championship for the third time with a methodical ninth round stoppage over previous number two Brian Viloria (36-5, 22 KOs). Viloria falls to sixth. Everyone rated three through sixth previously moves up a place each.
LIGHT-FLYWEIGHT:
Number one Donnie Nietes (37-1-4, 21 KOs) won a wide twelve round unanimous decision over unrated Juan Alejo (21-4, 13 KOs). No changes.
Good summary of the boxing acton over the last few days.
Terence Crawford put on another dominant display.
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Ratings updated:
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SUPER-LIGHTWEIGHT:
Number five Terence Crawford (27-0, 19 KOs) scored a dominant tenth round stoppage over unrated Dierry Jean (29-2, 20 KOs). No changes.
FEATHERWEIGHT:
Number six Evgeny Gradovich (20-1-1, 9 KOs) won an eight round split decision over unrated Aldimar Silva Santos (19-9, 12 KOs) in a bout where he seemed a clear winner. No changes.
SUPER-BANTAMWEIGHT:
Number five Kiko Martinez (33-6, 25 KOs) destroyed unrated Herald Molina (18-13-3, 7 KOs) in one round. Number eight Manuel Avila (19-0, 8 KOs) won an eight round unanimous decision over unrated journeyman Jose Angel Beranza (36-34-2, 28 KOs) in an over the weight bout. No changes.
Jermell Charlo got an expected win.
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Ratings updated:
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SUPER-WELTERWEIGHT:
Number seven Jermell Charlo (27-0, 12 KOs) stopped unrated veteran Joachim Alcine (35-8-2, 21 KOs) in six rounds. No changes.
LIGHT-FLYWEIGHT:
Number ten Ganigan Lopez (26-6, 17 KOs) scored a fourth round stoppage over unrated Juan Luis Lopez (13-4, 7 KOs). No changes.
Crawfords victory was excellent. Top fighter.
I agree. I think Crawford is one of the best finishers in the game currently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Cool thread. I like that you have the top spot vacant in a lot of divisions.