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Re: Fury v Wilder - Staples Center, Los Angeles 1/12/18
Fat Dan had Wilder 114-112? My goodness. I can see zero scenario where he deserved a victory and proved to have no plan B whatsoever. Not trying to pile on and maybe hindsight is 20-20 but you could see a night like this coming a loooong time ago. Fury is far better than given credit for at least on my part and literally owned the fight during and in the aftermath with keeping the fans-promotions tuned in. Seriously..he could run for office :-X.
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Re: Fury v Wilder - Staples Center, Los Angeles 1/12/18
Damn people. So Fury has room to get better but Wilder can't?
It's like you all have shovels in your hands and Wilder's grave was already dug. ;D
Maybe I'm the only one, but I'm gonna go with Door # 2. I'm gonna say Wilder can go back to the drawing board.... study the fight.... study his mistakes... and possibly learn from them.
Remember... it's his first "loss" even though it was officially ruled a draw. It was his first time against a taller, bigger man. It was probably his first time against someone who wasn't looking for a place to land.
It's like a pack of vultures in here. ;D
Wilder was never good enough.... AJ would destroy him.... blah, blah, blah.
First.... Joshua isn't Fury. No head games... no unorthodox boxing skills... nothing but straightforward style. Who knows if Wilder maybe can't beat Fury's style, even in a rematch..... but would probably make mincemeat out of AJ.
Styles make fights.
We'll see what happens. I'd love to see a rematch, and although I imagine Fury would be favored and rightly so, I'm not ready to get the Wilder career tombstone engraved just yet.
Wilder did look gassed at the end of the fight, and wasn't able to take advantage of the huge knockdown he put on Fury. That's something to put a red flag on.
Other than that, Wilder CAN and occasionally DOES throw a straight right hand. That's what he put Fury down with in the 12th round. I'm assuming Wilder can still be coached.
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I’m not happy about Hurd wanting one more fight before Charlo. Charlo fights in a few weeks and they should just schedule the fight next.
They always dragging these match ups out.
I'd like it next, division is treading water a bit.
Dragging a fight out means more money for promoters and fighters, less fight time meaning less blows to the head per year. So better for them. Just not for the fans.
Sounds like Hurd is fighting Julian Williams in Apr/ May.
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Damn people. So Fury has room to get better but Wilder can't?
It's like you all have shovels in your hands and Wilder's grave was already dug. ;D
Maybe I'm the only one, but I'm gonna go with Door # 2. I'm gonna say Wilder can go back to the drawing board.... study the fight.... study his mistakes... and possibly learn from them.
Remember... it's his first "loss" even though it was officially ruled a draw. It was his first time against a taller, bigger man. It was probably his first time against someone who wasn't looking for a place to land.
It's like a pack of vultures in here. ;D
Wilder was never good enough.... AJ would destroy him.... blah, blah, blah.
First.... Joshua isn't Fury. No head games... no unorthodox boxing skills... nothing but straightforward style. Who knows if Wilder maybe can't beat Fury's style, even in a rematch..... but would probably make mincemeat out of AJ.
Styles make fights.
We'll see what happens. I'd love to see a rematch, and although I imagine Fury would be favored and rightly so, I'm not ready to get the Wilder career tombstone engraved just yet.
Wilder did look gassed at the end of the fight, and wasn't able to take advantage of the huge knockdown he put on Fury. That's something to put a red flag on.
Other than that, Wilder CAN and occasionally DOES throw a straight right hand. That's what he put Fury down with in the 12th round. I'm assuming Wilder can still be coached.
I agree. I would pick Fury to win a rematch, but we obviously saw that Wilder could hurt him. And if Wilder could fix a few things then he may be able to legitimately beat Fury.
And it doesn’t prove anything about beating or not beating AJ.
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Re: Fury v Wilder - Staples Center, Los Angeles 1/12/18
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Damn people. So Fury has room to get better but Wilder can't?
It's like you all have shovels in your hands and Wilder's grave was already dug. ;D
Maybe I'm the only one, but I'm gonna go with Door # 2. I'm gonna say Wilder can go back to the drawing board.... study the fight.... study his mistakes... and possibly learn from them.
Remember... it's his first "loss" even though it was officially ruled a draw. It was his first time against a taller, bigger man. It was probably his first time against someone who wasn't looking for a place to land.
It's like a pack of vultures in here. ;D
Wilder was never good enough.... AJ would destroy him.... blah, blah, blah.
First.... Joshua isn't Fury. No head games... no unorthodox boxing skills... nothing but straightforward style. Who knows if Wilder maybe can't beat Fury's style, even in a rematch..... but would probably make mincemeat out of AJ.
Styles make fights.
We'll see what happens. I'd love to see a rematch, and although I imagine Fury would be favored and rightly so, I'm not ready to get the Wilder career tombstone engraved just yet.
Wilder did look gassed at the end of the fight, and wasn't able to take advantage of the huge knockdown he put on Fury. That's something to put a red flag on.
Other than that, Wilder CAN and occasionally DOES throw a straight right hand. That's what he put Fury down with in the 12th round. I'm assuming Wilder can still be coached.
Fair points and true enough there is usually always adjustments to improvements that can be focused on. But to sound like a broken record, you cannot build backwards once you've already arrived at the pinnacle of divisions best. Technically I guess a guy can by reversing competition and some visibility but it's all stuff that should have and needed to be realized prior. It's essentially back to basics and unfortunately networks..especially a ppv..are not going to green light tune ups and tutoring sessions. Then again you never know by looking at last nights undercard ;D. I'm not writing Wilder off by any means and this will open his eyes and hopefully his mind, I just think it was all so avoidable if the work and retooling was done when it should have been. Now he's forced to learn on the job on the terms of much better fighters for all to see. And in fairness they don't come much bigger than Fury and Wilder regardless of height has always been a lean lighter heavy. He hasn't outweighed an opponent for a half dozen years and the biggest guys he's fought were Washington and Price at 6'6 and 6'7 respectfully...both pretty limited and ex footballers and basketball players but it's the skill level, anywhere close save for Ortiz, of Fury that he wasn't facing that did him in. The responsibility for proper preparation lays squarely on the shoulders of promotion, managers and the fighter themselves and the Wilder camp got lost in the KO numbers. The rematch will be very interesting if it comes off but unfortunately it's now Wilder being the one who needs it more. I think the best thing Wilder can do right now is forget AJ exists. Stick his nose in the lesson books and focus entirely on whats exactly in front of him. Forget purse splits, hypotheticals and twitter wars and dress up. Do work! And for god sakes get that 1-2 going like a piston and stop shelling up walking straight back. Very humbling sport this one.
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Re: Fury v Wilder - Staples Center, Los Angeles 1/12/18
This fight changes nothing for me. In fact if anything it solidifies my belief that AJ deposits Fury into row Z and AJ Wilder is a who lands first job. Which is odd given that Fury looked as good as ever and Wilder looked worse than ever.
Wilder continues to make the fundamental mistakes he’s always made with no sign of change. You would have to assume that they do work on those flaws in the gym. Maybe they get somewhere maybe they don’t. When he’s under the lights the evidence would suggest the latter. That’s my reason for thinking it’s Fury who improves and makes adjustments. Wilder will be hoping to land another home run and that Fury isn’t actually The Undertaker.
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This fight changes nothing for me. In fact if anything it solidifies my belief that AJ deposits Fury into row Z and AJ Wilder is a who lands first job. Which is odd given that Fury looked as good as ever and Wilder looked worse than ever.
Wilder continues to make the fundamental mistakes he’s always made with no sign of change. You would have to assume that they do work on those flaws in the gym. Maybe they get somewhere maybe they don’t. When he’s under the lights the evidence would suggest the latter. That’s my reason for thinking it’s Fury who improves and makes adjustments. Wilder will be hoping to land another home run and that Fury isn’t actually The Undertaker.
Wrote a big fucking reply and deleted it. :(
Basically, I agree.
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Re: Fury v Wilder - Staples Center, Los Angeles 1/12/18
https://www.boxingscene.com/deontay-...coring--134267 some various media gits and their scorecards.
Punches thrown and Landed: Tyson Fury 84 of 327, Deontay Wilder 71 of 430
Power Shots Thrown and Landed: Tyson Fury 38 of 104, Deontay Wilder 31 of 182
Jabs Thrown and Landed: Tyson Fury 46 of 223, Deontay Wilder 40 of 248
Punch stats copy and pasted from boxrec no idea how accurate they are.
I don't think wilder is very good, I still think Vitali could take a weekend off being mayor of Kiev and beat him with ease, but we'll done to him too, he took up boxing at twenty years old and had a limited amateur career, a lot of crap pri fughts early on and he's done pretty good for himself. He's fun to watch too. He's taking on talented guys who've been boxing way longer than him and still managing to ko or nearly ko them (last night)... wilder can be very proud of his career, which I think won't last that more many years. Not everyone gets to win a world title and defend it a few times....
Big baby would stop wilder though! Come on big baby (errrr u wot m8 )
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Those punch stats just don’t look right to me
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https://www.boxingscene.com/deontay-...coring--134267 some various media gits and their scorecards.
Punches thrown and Landed: Tyson Fury 84 of 327, Deontay Wilder 71 of 430
Power Shots Thrown and Landed: Tyson Fury 38 of 104, Deontay Wilder 31 of 182
Jabs Thrown and Landed: Tyson Fury 46 of 223, Deontay Wilder 40 of 248
Punch stats copy and pasted from boxrec no idea how accurate they are.
I don't think wilder is very good, I still think Vitali could take a weekend off being mayor of Kiev and beat him with ease, but we'll done to him too, he took up boxing at twenty years old and had a limited amateur career, a lot of crap pri fughts early on and he's done pretty good for himself. He's fun to watch too. He's taking on talented guys who've been boxing way longer than him and still managing to ko or nearly ko them (last night)... wilder can be very proud of his career, which I think won't last that more many years. Not everyone gets to win a world title and defend it a few times....
Big baby would stop wilder though! Come on big baby (errrr u wot m8 )
I think many of you are being far too harsh on Wilder. Even in the stats you cite there were only 13 punches between them. I do not know the round by round numbers, but you are talking a fight where there was no domination as such. In those first 4 rounds, Fury did not do very much at all. If there was a hundred punch difference then it is cut and dry, but 13 and with 2 knockdowns? It tightens it.
Personally I think differently to Fenster. It does not matter if Fury landed a few more punches in the rounds he was knocked down in, he was still knocked down. Nothing is cancelled out. Sanchez has it fair in saying that he think Fury won, but that a draw is an acceptable result. If you want a shut out you cannot get knocked down twice and start so slowly for 4 rounds.
It was hardly Calzaghe/Lacy. Wilder was in there, the punch stats were close, and he knocked his man down twice. I think it is unfair on Wilder and also disrespectful to Fury for many to be saying how bad Wilder is. There are clearly things he can do better, but he was in there against a very game Fury and still left his mark on the fight. It would not have been such a dramatic fight had he not had the skill to land that beautiful two punch combination that seemingly had Fury struggling.
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You think differently to Fenster? I thought you said Fury won 8 rounds to 4?
I was merely explaining the intricacies of scoring to you, miles. What you believe is cut and dried is in fact not so. That's all.
Both knockdowns were scored 10-8? Fine. Were both knockdowns the same? No. The first was a clip on the back of the head that did little damage the second knocked Fury into another universe. In both cases Fury arguably won the round (ignoring the knockdown of course).
You started complaining about "long counts" well the first knockdown was illegal. Take that away and it's yet another round Fury clearly won.
My point isn't about whether or not a draw is doable, especially with hindsight and an agenda, just that the scoring system is flawed.
There was only one winner and everyone knows it.
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Re: Fury v Wilder - Staples Center, Los Angeles 1/12/18
I did not say the count was long, but there was about 22-23 seconds before the fighting resumed after the KD. Fury was allowed time to hold the ref and then run around. Granted I get that he needs to avoid being seriously hurt, but that is still a fair chunk of time.
8-4 is a respectable enough scoreline, but I wouldn't complain about a draw as those first 4 rounds were all rather edgy and if the home fighter is given the nod then so be it. Certainly not a robbery though. If there were no KD's it was, but those 10-8's eat at the gap.
I think Fury was the better boxer too, but that does not mean Fury won as boxing is a hurt game and if you go down then a fight gets closer. The only issue I really have is the 115-111 Wilder card as it just makes no sense at all. That has to be corruption of some kind. Practically impossible, but the other 2 cards I say 'I can see that'.
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I did not say the count was long, but there was about 22-23 seconds before the fighting resumed after the KD. Fury was allowed time to hold the ref and then run around. Granted I get that he needs to avoid being seriously hurt, but that is still a fair chunk of time.
8-4 is a respectable enough scoreline, but I wouldn't complain about a draw as those first 4 rounds were all rather edgy and if the home fighter is given the nod then so be it. Certainly not a robbery though. If there were no KD's it was, but those 10-8's eat at the gap.
I think Fury was the better boxer too, but that does not mean Fury won as boxing is a hurt game and if you go down then a fight gets closer. The only issue I really have is the 115-111 Wilder card as it just makes no sense at all. That has to be corruption of some kind. Practically impossible, but the other 2 cards I say 'I can see that'.
You've totally contradicted yourself.
If the first four rounds "could have gone either way" then you've absolutely justified the 115-111 Wilder judge. "I wouldn't complain about a draw as those first 4 rounds were all rather edgy and if the home fighter is given the nod then so be it."
Well there you go, he thought Wilder "edged" them. If, as you claim, they could have gone "either way" his scorecard is perfectly legit. Fact.
He gave Wilder just one other round like his fellow judges (barring the two 10-8 rounds).
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Re: Fury v Wilder - Staples Center, Los Angeles 1/12/18
I think you can make a case in terms of those first 4 rounds as they were the closest the 2 fighters had. Does not mean I scored all 4 to Wilder myself as I did not, but I do think it was even at that stage. Fury only really started to be impressive after 4.
The mid rounds he pulled apart. Then the championship rounds he was pulled back in with the 10-8's.
I do not agree with 115-111. The card I like best was 113-113.
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Re: Fury v Wilder - Staples Center, Los Angeles 1/12/18
Points on one judge's scorecard was incorrectly announced in the Deontay Wilder vs Tyson Fury fight
As if the decision and judging of the now infamous Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury wasn’t controversial enough, it has now emerged that there was a major miscalculation on one of the judge’s scorecards, meaning the wrong points scoring was announced.
Everybody in Staples Center, Los Angles believed that, on hearing the final ring of the bell, Tyson Fury would lift the WBC heavyweight title after a sure in on a points decision.
Everybody except two of the three judges that was.
Despite being sent to the canvas and falling victim to two obvious 10-8 rounds, Fury was still up on everybody’s score cards back home.
SHOWTIME had the fight 114-110 in Fury’s favour as did judge Robert Tapper.
At least, that’s what they announced to everyone in the arena and millions watching back home.
But that actually wasn’t the case. The maths was wrong. After a picture of the scorecard was released on Twitter, it was revealed that Tapper had actually scored the fight 114-112.
The quite astonishing error would have mattered little, though. The error would not have affected the overall outcome of the fight meaning no serious action or resolution will take place.
Every single judge sort it differently. Non-more so than Alejandro Rochin, who instantly became the number one public enemy.
Controversially, he gave Wilder a resounding 115-111 advantage after 12 rounds.
Post-fight, Fury was clearly not happy with the outcome.
The controversy surrounding the points decision also revolves around an English judge who obviously didn’t favour Fury who has called for the British Boxing Board of Control to speak to British official Phil Edwards for delivering a 113-113 score.
Fury has been commended by head trainer Ben Davison for not contriving to the obvious consensus that he'd been robbed of a historic title win.
"I was telling my brothers and my family to keep quiet," Fury explained in his post-fight press conference.
"There were about 8,000 travellers and Brits who had come from around the world, maybe even 10,000.
"They probably would have smashed this arena up if I'd instigated it and I mean to the floor!
"I just wanted to be an ambassador for my country and my people," concluded the former heavyweight world champion.
https://www.givemesport.com/1424426-...+-+EN-GB+-+NTP
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The controversy surrounding the points decision also revolves around an English judge who obviously didn’t favour Fury who has called for the British Boxing Board of Control to speak to British official Phil Edwards for delivering a 113-113 score.
No controversy on this card for me.
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Re: Fury v Wilder - Staples Center, Los Angeles 1/12/18
Same. I think it was reasonable and can be justified.
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Re: Fury v Wilder - Staples Center, Los Angeles 1/12/18
Tyson Fury vs Deontay Wilder: Frank Warren keen to bring likely spring rematch to Wembley Stadium
Frank Warren has confirmed he plans to begin negotiations for a lucrative rematch between Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder imminently.
In his role as Fury's promoter, and alongside the British Boxing Board of Control, Warren has made a complaint to the WBC over the scores that meant their thrilling world heavyweight title fight, at Los Angeles' Staples Centre, concluded as a draw.
His hope is that the sanctioning body order an immediate rematch, but speaking post-fight - having already spoken of his desire for a rematch - Wilder also reiterated his willingness to fight IBF, WBA and WBO champion Anthony Joshua.
A fight between the two champions for all four titles might even prove richer than Wilder-Fury II, but in the present circumstances would represent an injustice and also seems unlikely, with Joshua expected to fight Dillian Whyte at Wembley on April 13.
The likeliest outcome would appear to be Wilder-Fury II in a Las Vegas casino, also in the coming spring.
With his fighter's reputation enhanced, Warren said: “You'd think they'd want the rematch. They've said they do.
“I think it's got a good chance of coming to London. You'd have a 90,000 gate at Wembley, so you're talking serious money. But with Tyson, he'll travel - he'll go where the money is, for March, April.
https://s.yimg.com/it/api/res/1.2/hG...16207b366ecd93
“I find it invigorating. From where he's come from, I just really enjoy it. They said he wasn't going to sell any tickets. They said it wouldn't go ahead - well it did go ahead, didn't it?
“They said it was going to be a boring fight. It was one of the most exciting fights - certainly the most exciting I've seen at heavyweight in America since Lennox Lewis-Vitali Klitschko [in 2003].
“I've worked with Mike Tyson, Frank Bruno - all of those. Now, Fury's the people's champion.”
That Fury succeeded in performing to such a high level following a period of only 14 unremarkable rounds in three years that featured significant ring-rust, him gaining in weight to 27 stones, taking cocaine and contemplating suicide fully vindicated his trainer Ben Davison.
The previously-unproven Davison, 26, had been considered a potential weakness in Fury's preparations but in only their third bout together he oversaw a performance that suggests the fighter is again the world's finest heavyweight.
The 30-year-old Fury said: "Everybody said Ben couldn't do it and he'd fold under pressure.
"But I didn't see any folding, Ben. Did you, son? He didn't fold. I knew I'd made the right choice in old Davison here. He did a fantastic job. Nobody in the world could have done a better job than Ben.
"He gave me clear, calm instructions, even when I was down. Ever since me and Ben started working together, I've felt I made the right choice. If this man ain't the highest candidate for trainer of the year, then I haven't seen one."
https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/tys...135500317.html
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Re: Fury v Wilder - Staples Center, Los Angeles 1/12/18
Eddie Hearn reveals Anthony Joshua’s reaction to Deontay Wilder vs Tyson Fury draw, unfazed by rivals
The promoter insists that AJ has no fear of the Gypsy King or Bronze Bomber
Eddie Hearn says Anthony Joshua is far from intimidated by Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury after watching their fight on Saturday night.
The unified heavyweight world champion’s two main rivals clashed in a sensational bout which most believed the Brit had won, however it was scored a split draw by the three judges in America.
Now, Matchroom’s Hearn has told the Mail how AJ reacted to the bout.
“I have spoken to Joshua since Saturday and his position is unchanged – he believes he will stop anyone put in front of him,” detailed the promoter.
Regarding his own personal opinion, he added: “I was very impressed with Fury on Saturday. I had him winning the fight by two rounds.
“But we disagree when people say Joshua isn’t the main man in the division anymore and we look forward to him demonstrating it again.”
https://talksport.com/wp-content/upl...60&quality=100
When asked about how Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury’s draw affects Anthony Joshua’s future going forwards, Eddie Hearn analysed the result’s consequences from various perspectives.
He first stated that everything of course depends on the terms of any potential rematch clause in the contract, but added that the emergence of two marquee heavyweights should be a positive thing for AJ.
“If anything, the way that fight went on Saturday works in our favour in terms of getting Wilder.
“That has always been the fight we want because he has the last belt.
“Now, let’s say he had beat Fury in two rounds – the negotiation will be a lot harder than after a draw where many think he was lucky to keep his WBC title. That goes in our favour.
“It might also be the case that Wilder fancies his chances in a punch-out with AJ rather than another go at Fury.
“As far as AJ is concerned, he will fight anyone. He would love Wilder next and he has always wanted Fury.
“I am going out to LA and we will talk [with Wilder’s representatives] this week. It is a fight we definitely want for April and will work hard to make.
“Before we were looking at Deontay Wilder, Dillian Whyte or Dereck Chisora if he beats Whyte for April 13. Now we can put Fury on that list.”
https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/4...son-fury-draw/
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Tyson Fury sings American Pie at post-fight press conference after controversial draw with Deontay Wilder
The Gypsy King was in highs spirits after his bout with the WBC champion ended in a dramatic tie
Tyson Fury brilliantly belted out a rendition of American Pie at his post-fight press conference and got his trainer and the entire media to join in following his draw with Deontay Wilder.
Despite the disappointment of failing to capture the WBC heavyweight crown from the American, Fury was in high spirits as he sung the 1971 classic by Don McLean.
https://talksport.com/wp-content/upl...60&quality=100
With Fury as conductor, the media joined in as did his coach Ben Davison, while veteran promoter Frank Warren appeared slightly more reluctant to sing along.
It is not the first time the Gypsy King has sung after a fight, famously serenading his wife Paris with a rendition of Aerosmith’s ‘I Don’t Want To Miss A Thing’ following his victory over Wladimir Kilitschko in 2015.
Having been knocked down twice in the fight at the Staples Center, including in the final round, Fury dominated much of the action, controlling the champion with his jab and clever movement.
Bizarrely, judge Alejandro Rochin scored the bout 115-111 in favour of Wilder, but Fury was not bitter, instead insisting he will enjoy Christmas and assess his options in 2019.
https://talksport.com/wp-content/upl...60&quality=100
“I think I had holy hands upon me to lift me back to my feet [in the 12th round] – I don’t know what happened,” Fury said.
“It was a great fight. I am not going to complain or call him names.
“I am not the lineal champion for nothing. It was a great experience.
“A year ago today I weighed 400lbs. It is proof anyone can come back from anything.
“I am only a normal man. I was not fighting for myself. When I was down I had to get up for everyone around the world with mental health problems.
“I am not going to cry. I am going to enjoy Christmas and recalculate in January.
“We will see what our next move is.”
https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/4...eontay-wilder/
Nice shirt Fury.
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Re: Fury v Wilder - Staples Center, Los Angeles 1/12/18
Wilders claimed he broke his arm in sparring 12 weeks ago and wasnt 100%.
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https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/4...ry-tyson-fury/
First link I came across. He never makes a great deal of sense to me to be honest but he says he broke it 12 weeks before camp.
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Well i am glad Fury did not suck and made for a great fight we need that in HW division. I respect that Wlad was champ for 10 years with shit ton of defences and hell he did not even lose again till he was 39 but he was boring.
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I still think Usyk beats both these guys.
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12 weeks BEFORE Camp! Was the fight even announced? He had plenty of time to pull out, bullshitting wanker! He must’ve broke both arms, that’s why he can’t box.
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Is it just me, but what is pissing me off more than anything, is that despite the Fact that Fury did so well and takes massive credit for his performance, WHERE THE FUCK IS @ross ?
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I still think Usyk beats both these guys.
I actually tend to agree. First off, Usyk probably weighs about the same as Wilder. He is 4 inches shorter but is a much better boxer than Fury and I don’t see him getting caught like Fury did. Fury is really tall and much heavier than Usyk but doesn’t have huge power. I think Usyk would probably fight in the pocket to nullify the reach.
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Wilders claimed he broke his arm in sparring 12 weeks ago and wasnt 100%.
Quick question to @Ron Swanson . it actually was broke 12 weeks before he started camp. So this would’ve been exactly around the time that Team Wilder was telling everyone they had offered $50 million to Joshua and you were calling Hearn a liar etc.etc.
Why would they do that if Wilder had broken his arm? Hmmmmm.
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50 dollar bet he blames a hurt hand...:-X
Called it ;D:p. Said it after Stiverne too I think.
Him and his people and reporters need to get the story straight though. There are different direct quotes from him where he says he broke his arm and had surgery ???...and another where he said he broke his hand "but doesn't like the make excuses".
The hand https://www.badlefthook.com/2018/12/...-training-camp
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https://www.boxingscene.com/deontay-...-stats--134262
Round by round punch stats. Bit low output even for heavyweights. 8 rounds had two connected punches between em(just about all in favour of fury), 2 rounds had only one difference. Wilder was throwing more very round. But landing a bit less most rounds.
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Re: Fury v Wilder - Staples Center, Los Angeles 1/12/18
Interesting numbers. Both fighters were landing little whence me thinking it was nip and tuck. It appears to have been the case in most of the rounds actually. A clear round is where someone lands 20-11 or 15-10 or something like that. There were really no rounds like that. Wilder landing one punch in one round was odd. I remember thinking he was spent in that round and then somehow he summoned round 12. I am not sure why he did not quite bring it all to the table. Landing in double digits in only 2 rounds is not enough.
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Re: Fury v Wilder - Staples Center, Los Angeles 1/12/18
DEONTAY WILDER VS. TYSON FURY TRACKING AT OVER 300,00 PAY-PER-VIEW BUYS
https://www.ringtv.com/549226-deonta...per-view-buys/
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50 dollar bet he blames a hurt hand...:-X
Called it ;D:p. Said it after Stiverne too I think.
Him and his people and reporters need to get the story straight though. There are different direct quotes from him where he says he broke his arm and had surgery ???...and another where he said he broke his hand
"but doesn't like the make excuses".
The hand
https://www.badlefthook.com/2018/12/...-training-camp
Let me correct that, according to the post fight press conference he is a man of "few excuses";D
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Re: Fury v Wilder - Staples Center, Los Angeles 1/12/18
WE GO AGAIN Deontay Wilder names potential dates for Tyson Fury rematch, promises second fight will happen
It sounds like we can expect to see round 13 next year
Deontay Wilder has stated that he wants to rematch Tyson Fury in March or April 2019.
The pair fought to a controversial draw on Saturday night – with many thinking the Brit should have got the verdict – and the Bronze Bomber wants to answer all questions about his performance.
“I’m willing and ready to give Fury the opportunity asap,” said Wilder.
“It’s only right to give Fury a rematch as soon as possible. I’m ready whenever he’s ready to do it, I’m ready to give the fans what they wanna see and end this talk once and for all.
“I don’t know how this man got up. He don’t even know how he got up. I believe God got this man up for the rematch.
“He woke up from hell and I’m willing to put him back there.”
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Tyson Fury suggested soon after the bout that Deontay Wilder may not want to share the ring with him again, however the American has now publicly assured him this is not the case.
The WBC champion wants to return next spring to settle the score.
“Some people feel like I don’t want the rematch,” Wilder continued, “Why would I not? I’m the baddest man on the planet.
“Early next year, I’m ready to go, maybe March, maybe April. I don’t want no-one else.“
However, Stephen Espinoza of US fight broadcaster Showtime is sceptical over these potential dates and added: “May would be great, June would be great. Personally, April sounds a little quick to me.”
https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/4...-fury-rematch/
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Re: Fury v Wilder - Staples Center, Los Angeles 1/12/18
people talk about what if emanuel steward trained deontay wilder. wilder does thing where he will stand there and do nothing but rock his upper body left to right for, i would say, a solid 20 seconds. that would have drove steward absolutely insane.
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Re: Fury v Wilder - Staples Center, Los Angeles 1/12/18
WE GO AGAIN Deontay Wilder vs Tyson Fury: WBC vote in favour of sanctioning immediate rematch
The heavyweights fought to a disputed draw on Saturday night, but will get to face each other again next year
The WBC have voted unanimously in favour of sanctioning an immediate rematch between Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury.
On Saturday night, the pair battled out a twelve-round epic which was controversially scored a draw by the three judges at ringside.
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However, now Wilder and Fury look set to go at it again, with the governing body giving their backing to a second fight – as well as both camps stating that they want a direct return next.
WBC president Mauricio Sulaiman stated: “The World Boxing Council conducted a vote through the Board of Governors, which resulted in a unanimous agreement to sanction a direct rematch between WBC heavyweight champion Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury.
“Wilder and Fury gave boxing one of the best fights in the heavyweight division in a long time, which has created tremendous popular demand for the fans to see a rematch.
“The WBC is happy to confirm that a direct rematch has been approved and will create in a ruling which will also consider the mandatory status of the division.
“I wish to once again congratulate Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury for their great battle inside the ring and for the exemplary sportsmanship after the bout.”
There were cries from the boxing community saying Fury was robbed of victory by the judges despite the fact he was knocked to the canvas by the Bronze Bomber on two occasions.
Fury’s promoter Frank Warren and the British Boxing Board of Control (BBBofC) lodged a complaint over the scoring of the fight while also demanding a rematch.
And it looks like they’ve got their wish after the WBC’s decision.
Wilder was due to face fellow American Dominic Brezeale next as a mandatory but this latest decision overrides a Wilder v Brezeale bout.
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https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/4...diate-rematch/
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Re: Fury v Wilder - Staples Center, Los Angeles 1/12/18
Tyson Fury has cracked America after controversial Deontay Wilder draw ‘sets heavyweight division alive again’
Tyson Fury's controversial draw with Deontay Wilder will make him a major star in America - just like Lennox Lewis.
Former manager Kellie Maloney watched in disbelief as Fury suffered a carbon-copy of the judging robbery suffered by Lewis against Evander Holyfield.
But she says the uproar will help make Fury's name in the USA as it did with Lewis who went on to beat Holyfield in a re-match and become undisputed world heavyweight champion.
Maloney said: "I couldn't believe my eyes as I watched the Fury fight on TV. It was a complete flashback. A real case of deja vu. It all came flooding back to me.
"But the row about the draw made Lennox a bigger name in the USA and they will all be talking about Fury over there now. They will all want to see a re-match with Wilder. They've set the heavyweight division alive again."
Fury's challenge for Wilder's WBC belt in Los Angeles was ruled all square as a split draw.
Canadian judge Robert Tapper scored it 114-111 to Fury and Mexican Alejandr Rochin declared it 115 -111 in favour of Wilder - with Englishman Phil Edwards confirming the draw at 113-113.
The same fate hit reigning WBC champion Lewis at New York's Madison Square Garden in March, 1999 in his first world title unification clash with Holyfield, who held the WBA and IBF titles.
There was mayhem after American judge Eugenia Williams scored it 115-113 for Holyfield and South African Stanley Christodoulou handed in his card 116-113 to Lewis, with Englishman Larry O'Connell calling it level at 115-115.
The row made front page news in the city with even Mayor Rudi Giuliani chipping in to call the result "a travesty" against Lewis, while heavyweight great George Foreman branded it "a shame."
The sanctioning bodies immediately ordered a re-match and Lewis won on points in Las Vegas the following November - watched by a travelling army of 10,000 Brits.
Kellie, 64, was known as Frank during 13 years as manager of Londoner Lewis but underwent gender re-assignment surgery in 2014.
She added: "There has even been an English judge scoring the Fury fight a draw just as there was with Lennox.
"I remember standing in the ring at Madison Square Garden waiting for the result - and it was Larry O'Connell's score read out last to make it a draw, just as it was with Fury and Phil Edwards.
"Lennox was already a name in America because he was world champion but most people there agreed that he had been robbed and it made the re-match huge. Holyfield was a national hero so it made massive news. New York went crazy.
"Now this is history repeating itself totally.
"There was only one winner that night in New York - Lennox. And there was only one winner in LA - Fury.
"There will have to be a re-match. It is the fight everyone wants to see now. They have shifted the ground in the heavyweight division with this result. Anthony Joshua will be on the back-burner for a while now.
"Las Vegas will be biting their hands off to stage the return because it will be big in the USA and they know thousands of Brits will go out for it.
"This is the first time I have been excited about a heavyweight fight since the Lewis days.
"We have big stadium fights here but if Vegas want it, you can't beat them."
Maloney insisted that Fury gave Wilder a boxing lesson but was disappointed in the American's tactics - although Wilder has since revealed that he suffered a broken arm during training camp.
She added: "Wilder was just trying to throw big right hands and nothing else. Why didn't they tell him to work behind the jab?
"It was poor. He was just relying on one punch.
"Lennox had a big right hand but it always came after a jab. That's why he was so good.
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"Fury was very clever and gave Wilder a lesson in trickery. And I was surprised how fit Tyson was after all his problems.
"If Fury had thrown more punches he could have stopped him
"He looks unbeatable already. If he worked the jab more, nobody could live with him.
"My only worry is about him staying disciplined. I didn't like hearing his trainer say that they now needed a long rest. I would have him back in the gym after a week to keep him focussed."
https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/tys...090600518.html
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Re: Fury v Wilder - Staples Center, Los Angeles 1/12/18
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Re: Fury v Wilder - Staples Center, Los Angeles 1/12/18
THE WEIGH TO GO ‘Somebody is going to get hurt’ – Deontay Wilder reveals how he will KO Tyson Fury in rematch
The 'Bronze Bomber' was largely contained by Fury during their first fight in Los Angeles on December 1
Deontay Wilder has revealed he plans to put on TWO STONE before his proposed rematch with Tyson Fury in 2019.
The WBC agreed to sanction a second bout between the pair in the New Year after their first fight was controversially declared a draw.
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Despite being outboxed for large parts of the fight, Wilder still managed to use his freakish power to put Fury on the canvas twice in the fight.
However, the ‘Bronze Bomber’ admitted he wants to get even bigger than his 15 stone 2lb frame and be able to hit harder than ever before if they do meet in Spring 2019 as is being discussed.
He said: “We gonna adjust the weight.
“We gonna do a lot of things. Especially with the weight. Because these guys have out-weighed me the majority of my career.
“My goal was always to be 245, that’s what my goal has always been. But somebody’s gonna get hurt.
“If weight brings big-man power, and I already had the power and the speed, somebody gonna get hurt.
“So if people wanna see me put on weight and someone get hurt, then so be it.”
Although he appeared to be carrying lots of excess skin in the fight in Los Angeles, Fury’s stamina and cardio proved to be in excellent condition at the Staples Center.
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The ‘Gypsy King’ is back in the gym already ahead of his the touted rematch, clearly keen to keep off the weight he piled on during his absence from the ring.
And, speaking on the Joe Rogan Experience, Wilder said: “He sent me a video of him back in the gym!
“And I just hit back ‘Likewise’ and it’s crazy because his mindset is being back in the gum and mine is just the same way.”
https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/4...-fury-rematch/