Wacko's Drunken RBR Gatti v Gomez, Margarito v Williams, Cintron v Matthysse

i had the fight 115-113 Margarito came on a little too late, Williams was eating a few shots towards the end but Margarito wasn't all dat to begin with. Someone like Cotto would punish Williams if he stood and traded like he did in the later half of the fight. Credit to Williams tho his punch out put was f**kin amazing and for first 4 rounds completely dominated he lost his way a bit after that but he managed to get control of the fight in the 12th and i think thats what won it for him.

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Originally Posted by 'Big' Dan McCarthy

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

Not for nothing even though I never liked Margarito, I will say this though :appl: Good damn fight my man ;)


As far as Paul Williams....... You are the man, and put the division on notice

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

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Originally Posted by amat

TREMENDOUS JOB WACKO!

YEEEEEEEAAAAAAH

Can not F****** wait to watch this one.

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Thanks babe...I loved it!!!


FUCK MARGARITO!!!! HE SAID HE WAS ROBBED.

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Yup I know I have a sig bet coming and my boy got defeated but you gotta call a bitch a bitch, Margarito got beat, JT whats the sig and how long do I gotta keep it :-[

:coolclick: good on you bro nice picking ;)

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Don't worry. You got company. El Gamo going to be getting a new sig as well

Great Fight....Don't know why Margarito thinks he won.....He was never hurt but it was just the work rate of Williams that did it for him.....He earned the decision....

Margarito made the same mistake a certain LHW champion did that cost him his MW title...Waited too long

It is seeing Gatti go out like that tonight That hurt me to watch...

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Originally Posted by 'Big' Dan McCarthy

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

Not for nothing even though I never liked Margarito, I will say this though :appl: Good damn fight my man ;)


As far as Paul Williams....... You are the man, and put the division on notice

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

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Originally Posted by amat

TREMENDOUS JOB WACKO!

YEEEEEEEAAAAAAH

Can not F****** wait to watch this one.

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:coolclick:

Thanks babe...I loved it!!!


FUCK MARGARITO!!!! HE SAID HE WAS ROBBED.

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Yup I know I have a sig bet coming and my boy got defeated but you gotta call a bitch a bitch, Margarito got beat, JT whats the sig and how long do I gotta keep it :-[

:coolclick: good on you bro nice picking ;)

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Don't worry. You got company. El Gamo going to be getting a new sig as well

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Boy you smug even though you know you dodged a Hatton shaped missile ;)

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Originally Posted by 'Big' Dan McCarthy

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by 'Big' Dan McCarthy

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

Not for nothing even though I never liked Margarito, I will say this though :appl: Good damn fight my man ;)


As far as Paul Williams....... You are the man, and put the division on notice

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

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Originally Posted by amat

TREMENDOUS JOB WACKO!

YEEEEEEEAAAAAAH

Can not F****** wait to watch this one.

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:coolclick:

Thanks babe...I loved it!!!


FUCK MARGARITO!!!! HE SAID HE WAS ROBBED.

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Yup I know I have a sig bet coming and my boy got defeated but you gotta call a bitch a bitch, Margarito got beat, JT whats the sig and how long do I gotta keep it :-[

:coolclick: good on you bro nice picking ;)

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Don't worry. You got company. El Gamo going to be getting a new sig as well

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Boy you smug even though you know you dodged a Hatton shaped missile ;)

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I ain't to familiar with what this 'Big' Dan McCarthy guy is talking about. He must be new

Great job for Williams winning the fight, didn't think he had it but he does. Now its time for either him or Cintron to fight Clottey

I picked one with my heart and one with my head for this weekend.

The Gatti fight I went with simply because Ive enjoyed watching him so much over the years and thought he could pull it out again. Alas, he couldnt. I havent seen that fight yet and dont know if I really want to.

The Williams fight I picked with my head. He is just so tall and rangey and has that mad output. I couldnt see how Margarito would win unless Paul's chin failed to hold up to something that might land flush.

I actually agree with Bilbo in regards to a Mayweather: Williams fight. Mayweather has all the skills but Williams has all that wonderful freakiness!! ;D

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

You know the thing that pisses me off most about this result, even more than losing money is that you just know tomorrow those fucktards on youtube Don Omega and Iron Truth will be smug as you like telling their 'fans' that they were dead right and that Margarito is just a bum and got exposed.

Just the thought of it is making me wretch :puke:

Danny_G We need you to do another parody bro, bring them back down with a bump :D

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After I made that last post, I went to eat dinner and I immediately thought about that. Terrible. They made it to where you can't post comments on their Youtube page ;D I want to get connections at Youtube and have them shut down. And them tell them that they really did suck.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

You know the thing that pisses me off most about this result, even more than losing money is that you just know tomorrow those fucktards on youtube Don Omega and Iron Truth will be smug as you like telling their 'fans' that they were dead right and that Margarito is just a bum and got exposed.

Just the thought of it is making me wretch :puke:

Danny_G We need you to do another parody bro, bring them back down with a bump :D

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After I made that last post, I went to eat dinner and I immediately thought about that. Terrible. They made it to where you can't post comments on their Youtube page ;D I want to get connections at Youtube and have them shut down. And them tell them that they really did suck.

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I know it makes me want to smash my monitor thinking of Omega's smug little brash smack talk he's gonna give tomorrow.

It's his destiny speech, his mothership to earth moment he's been waiting for :-X

I just know he's going to start calling Margarito a faggot and will then start calling everyone who believed in him Star Wars faggots and Iron Truth will do his annoying little Beavis and Butthead laugh >:mad

At least we can console ourselves with the fact that they will both die virgins, unless you count what they do to each other.......... :-X

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Originally Posted by miles

I picked one with my heart and one with my head for this weekend.

The Gatti fight I went with simply because Ive enjoyed watching him so much over the years and thought he could pull it out again. Alas, he couldnt. I havent seen that fight yet and dont know if I really want to.

The Williams fight I picked with my head. He is just so tall and rangey and has that mad output. I couldnt see how Margarito would win unless Paul's chin failed to hold up to something that might land flush.

I actually agree with Bilbo in regards to a Mayweather: Williams fight. Mayweather has all the skills but Williams has all that wonderful freakiness!! ;D

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Damn I forgot you picked Williams.

I actually lost a prediction challenge to Miles :puke:

Somebody shoot me :-[

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

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Originally Posted by amat

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

You know the thing that pisses me off most about this result, even more than losing money is that you just know tomorrow those fucktards on youtube Don Omega and Iron Truth will be smug as you like telling their 'fans' that they were dead right and that Margarito is just a bum and got exposed.

Just the thought of it is making me wretch :puke:

Danny_G We need you to do another parody bro, bring them back down with a bump :D

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After I made that last post, I went to eat dinner and I immediately thought about that. Terrible. They made it to where you can't post comments on their Youtube page ;D I want to get connections at Youtube and have them shut down. And them tell them that they really did suck.

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I know it makes me want to smash my monitor thinking of Omega's smug little brash smack talk he's gonna give tomorrow.

It's his destiny speech, his mothership to earth moment he's been waiting for :-X

I just know he's going to start calling Margarito a faggot and will then start calling everyone who believed in him Star Wars faggots and Iron Truth will do his annoying little Beavis and Butthead laugh >:mad

At least we can console ourselves with the fact that they will both die virgins, unless you count what they do to each other.......... :-X

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that last part, now that's some funny fucckkin shittt. thanks for making me laugh on this well hungover morning. cc

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

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Originally Posted by miles

I picked one with my heart and one with my head for this weekend.

The Gatti fight I went with simply because Ive enjoyed watching him so much over the years and thought he could pull it out again. Alas, he couldnt. I havent seen that fight yet and dont know if I really want to.

The Williams fight I picked with my head. He is just so tall and rangey and has that mad output. I couldnt see how Margarito would win unless Paul's chin failed to hold up to something that might land flush.

I actually agree with Bilbo in regards to a Mayweather: Williams fight. Mayweather has all the skills but Williams has all that wonderful freakiness!! ;D

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Damn I forgot you picked Williams.

I actually lost a prediction challenge to Miles :puke:

Somebody shoot me :-[

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A bloody good fight all in all. Williams output is just amazing. He doesnt stop punching and he towers over anybody he gets in the ring with. Margarito spent the first half of the fight simply puzzling how to get around the puzzle in hand. I must admit I was getting a little nervous in the 11th when Margarito seemed to be going for it, but Williams came back admirably in that round and took the final round with ease.

What a great fight.

:appl: Thank you to both fighters for that.


What a shame for Margarito everything hes ever worked for all the wins he's had at Welter, the 7 defenses of the title down the drain. He will be discredited by anyone and everyone who doesn't like him. It's a shame cause it's completely his fault. When I saw/heard his pre-fight interview and I hear him say that he WASN'T gonna throw as many punches but that he would concentrate more on power I knew right there and then he'd loose. Cause there is no way he could win the fight throwing less. Margarito is a volume puncher thats his fight and he didn't fight his fight. As soon as the interview was over I turned to my bwoy! and told 'em I hope he was serving us a 'bluff'. Cause of course I thought he was just saying that to say it but that he didn't really mean it. Thinking he would switch it up once in the ring. Well guess what? He didn't. He went out there and just let Paul dictate the fight from early on Margarito didn't throw enough and he started off waaaaaaaaaaaaay to late, when you possilby loose the first 6 rds. straight theres a HUGE problem. Now let's be honest here Margarito was catching a lot of punches with his gloves Pauls jabs were more like slaps then jabs BUT the fact of the matter is he looked active and busier then Margarito he did it threw out the fight even when he lost rounds Paul threw more. Add that to those big shots that Williams was landing here and there and you got yourself one good performance thru 6 rds.

I can't hack at Williams for his win no excuses. However if you can't see that he was geniunely hugging Margarito early on then I don't know what to tell you. Cause I sure as hell didn't jump in my car snuck in the Home Depot Center leaned through ropes and told the ref.
'Pssst, pssst..... hey!! Williams is huggin too much wadda 'ya say you warn him on that and then threaten to take off points? Thanks'
If can acknowledge that he geniunely won the fight fair and square they you guys can genuinely admit that he was hugging Margarito. Now yes I understand Margarito was HOLDING his hand but this is after Williams would come on to him and hug.
Understand this isn't an excuse/nore Am I trying to justify anything just a simple observation that Williams held excessively.

I really think Margarito will never again get back to where he was after this. He might continue to fight but I don't think he will make it back to the top ranked. Again it's no ones fault but hes, to add insult to himself he goes and with a straight face says he was robbed. That right is down right wrong, he should know better then that. Someone else here stated that eventho they didn't like Margarito and what not he could understand why Margarito felt he was robbed being that coming into the 12 round the fight was close. Still I personally think at best Margarito won 5 rounds and that's been kind to him.

Well then the Margarito Express ends here, I never claimed that Margarito was better then PBF. I never claimed that Margarito was invincible. However I did claim that he had been a champion for years, had paid his dues fighting whomever they put infront of him.
And he was overdue for a title shot. How do you earn a shot at THE Champ in the div? You can do it several ways. Beating another champ and trying to unify thats 1 way, Wining a title not loosing a fight in years and fighting whoever is there defending your title. He did just that and wanted a shot at Zab. I'll always think back on Zab vs. Baldomir and know that on that night it was suppose to be Margarito there fighting him and not Baldomir. If you've followed this saga you'll know. (Let's not forget Zab was just looking for an easy set up fight)

Heres hoping that the future fights in this Welterweight tourney can be as good as this one.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

What a great fight.

:appl: Thank you to both fighters for that.


What a shame for Margarito everything hes ever worked for all the wins he's had at Welter, the 7 defenses of the title down the drain. He will be discredited by anyone and everyone who doesn't like him. It's a shame cause it's completely his fault. When I saw/heard his pre-fight interview and I hear him say that he WASN'T gonna throw as many punches but that he would concentrate more on power I knew right there and then he'd loose. Cause there is no way he could win the fight throwing less. Margarito is a volume puncher thats his fight and he didn't fight his fight. As soon as the interview was over I turned to my bwoy! and told 'em I hope he was serving us a 'bluff'. Cause of course I thought he was just saying that to say it but that he didn't really mean it. Thinking he would switch it up once in the ring. Well guess what? He didn't. He went out there and just let Paul dictate the fight from early on Margarito didn't throw enough and he started off waaaaaaaaaaaaay to late, when you possilby loose the first 6 rds. straight theres a HUGE problem. Now let's be honest here Margarito was catching a lot of punches with his gloves Pauls jabs were more like slaps then jabs BUT the fact of the matter is he looked active and busier then Margarito he did it threw out the fight even when he lost rounds Paul threw more. Add that to those big shots that Williams was landing here and there and you got yourself one good performance thru 6 rds.

I can't hack at Williams for his win no excuses. However if you can't see that he was geniunely hugging Margarito early on then I don't know what to tell you. Cause I sure as hell didn't jump in my car snuck in the Home Depot Center leaned through ropes and told the ref.
'Pssst, pssst..... hey!! Williams is huggin too much wadda 'ya say you warn him on that and then threaten to take off points? Thanks'
If can acknowledge that he geniunely won the fight fair and square they you guys can genuinely admit that he was hugging Margarito. Now yes I understand Margarito was HOLDING his hand but this is after Williams would come on to him and hug.
Understand this isn't an excuse/nore Am I trying to justify anything just a simple observation that Williams held excessively.

I really think Margarito will never again get back to where he was after this. He might continue to fight but I don't think he will make it back to the top ranked. Again it's no ones fault but hes, to add insult to himself he goes and with a straight face says he was robbed. That right is down right wrong, he should know better then that. Someone else here stated that eventho they didn't like Margarito and what not he could understand why Margarito felt he was robbed being that coming into the 12 round the fight was close. Still I personally think at best Margarito won 5 rounds and that's been kind to him.

Well then the Margarito Express ends here, I never claimed that Margarito was better then PBF. I never claimed that Margarito was invincible. However I did claim that he had been a champion for years, had paid his dues fighting whomever they put infront of him.
And he was overdue for a title shot. How do you earn a shot at THE Champ in the div? You can do it several ways. Beating another champ and trying to unify thats 1 way, Wining a title not loosing a fight in years and fighting whoever is there defending your title. He did just that and wanted a shot at Zab. I'll always think back on Zab vs. Baldomir and know that on that night it was suppose to be Margarito there fighting him and not Baldomir. If you've followed this saga you'll know. (Let's not forget Zab was just looking for an easy set up fight)

Heres hoping that the future fights in this Welterweight tourney can be as good as this one.

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I guess it's hard to be objective when your the one actually in the ring. Tony probably felt he wasn't hurt at all in the early rounds and so didn't see himself losing.

He certainly lost because he was just outworked in the first 6 rounds although the final half of the fight was very close.

It kind of reminded me of Hopkins Taylor 1 but with a load more action. Bernard threw away the first 6 rounds in that fight too, difference was that for some reason loads of people though he still won ???

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Originally Posted by smashcrusher

Dude, seriosly, it's bad enough you have the audacity to come on these boards and say Chavez deserved a win against Whitaker

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Can YOU please find THE post where I typed that JCC deserved to win the Pernell fight. Please, cause I would love to see it.

I'll tell you what I did type, I typed that I didn't see anything wrong with the decision that I thought almost all of the rounds could have gone either way. If you check SweetPeas thread on the Contreversial fights I posted that comment there. The thread might not even exsist since the sites crashed a couple of times and threads and posts get lost. But I can tell you right here right now I don't think JCC beat Pernell, again however I don't see the draw as contreversial result cause almost all of the rounds could have gone either way and if Pernell would have been awarded the win it would have been fine. Oddly enough I've said Pernell left at times rounds up for grabs because tho he boxed well if a fighter brough it to him and became the aggressor judges would lean/look more to the fighter whos doing the bullying. Another thing to note Pernell must be the most hated/unluckiest boxer ever. He was robbed against Ramirez (cause Ramirez was also a big name like it's said to be the reason why both ODHL&JCC were favored in their fights with Pernell), ODHL, JCC. I wouldn't be surprised if I read that someone felt he also got robbed against Trinidad.

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Originally Posted by smashcrusher

but I think your Mexican bias is alittle pathetic ::**

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What does me favoring a fighter I've followed for years have anything to do with his or my ethinicity?
I don't understand the need to bring up race in a boxing forum. I just don't get it, whats does it matter what color I'am or what country I was born or what country the fighter I root for is from?
I root for fighters that come to fight, I root for fighters that are willing to lay it all on line.
Tonight I was rooting for Margarito, if you read my previous post you can see that I explained about the huggin that Paul was doing.
Biased? Me? Nahhhh!!! ::**
I think it's safe to say we are all biased here one way or another.
Pathetic? Me? Well you are entitled to your opinion and if you think that me making a comment on a fight about something I saw on screen is pathetic then I'm guilty as charged for that. Cause I really saw Williams hugging Margarito excessively.

Arguellos, Nicaraguan and I defend him to the end. Durans Panamanian and I'll defend him to the end. SRR is African American and I'll defend him to the end. Mikkels Danish (not to be confused with the pastry) and I'll defend him to the end, Alis African American and I'll defend him to the end, Dariusz is Polish (Not to be confused with the sausage) and I'll defend him to the end.

So you see my pathetic Mexican biased as you call it stretches FAAAAAAAAR more out then Mexican fighters. I'm biased towards all fighters I root for regardless of where they were born or the color of their skin.

Now I think I've gone on about this enough to clear up any confusion you might have about me. I don't want this little misunderstanding between you and I to escalte into something else. Theres really no need for that so I'll trust that we both understand now that I'am not a pathetic Mexican biased.
I can take those kind of remarks and I've debated with other posters like yourself and I've been able to go about muy business here. But as some advice to you I suggest you don't go around making one too many more of these kind of remarks cause theres other people here watching/reading this and I know HE will not tolerate this. I hope the HE part makes sense.

CC#115 smashcrusher

Good talk, fella. 8)