Wladimir plans to box for 10 more years to break Joe louis' record

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Originally Posted by Mr140

Well a heavyweight today is different then it was 60 years ago my friend i don't take that into account. The fact is he was a heavyweight and the guys he fought were consider heavies. I would say if they had all the shit we have today to make you stronger and bigger they might do just as well. I think the fact that for so much of Wald title reign he was not consider the man mostly because of his brother. Should he get a pass and not be put down notch for not fighting the best there was. All those guys on the list fought the best people they could i sure as shit don't have Jack Demsey there he would not fight black people.

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Well I am glad to hear that atleast! lol

Yeah well Wlad DID fight the best there was at the time he was a title holder EXCEPT his brother, so yeah I will give him a pass. I mean fuck me, that's a pretty decent reason right! If you want to speculate on who was better go for it, but cutting their achievements in half because they co-existed is over the top. Let's say Vitali won, I'd just consider Vitali #1 and Wlad number #2 out of them anyway and still rank them right at the top with Lennox Lewis anyway so it'd matter not that much if they fought to me!

When Alex Leapai is your worst opponent in like 10 years that's a pretty good sign to me he's on a roll.

I just wish they were more like the Spinks because i pretty sure they might try to kill one another and i get to see one man stand on top know he is the guy. The list to me is not a head to head thing really and i judge eras from the 60's back differently from now. I rank the brothers in top ten from 80's to 10's were i rank them i do no know because i would have to really look at what every one has done. The old timers did not have any of the advantages we have today like peds and nutrition we have today. Only way i could judge them is if we could get them in a time machine and let them have all the advantages then fight that would be the fairest way i guess you could do it. Thats a hard ask though so i tend to just go by dividing up the old and new eras when it comes to heavyweights not so bad with other weight classes.

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Originally Posted by Mr140

I just wish they were more like the Spinks because i pretty sure they might try to kill one another and i get to see one man stand on top know he is the guy. The list to me is not a head to head thing really and i judge eras from the 60's back differently from now. I rank the brothers in top ten from 80's to 10's were i rank them i do no know because i would have to really look at what every one has done. The old timers did not have any of the advantages we have today like peds and nutrition we have today. Only way i could judge them is if we could get them in a time machine and let them have all the advantages then fight that would be the fairest way i guess you could do it. Thats a hard ask though so i tend to just go by dividing up the old and new eras when it comes to heavyweights not so bad with other weight classes.

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I somewhat have to agree, it's unfair to judge based on different criteria.

And sure, achievement wise I do consider what Louis did the record breaking affair of course, that was HW, that's what it was. :)

What do you mean about Spinks though? Those brothers did not fight each other either did they???

I just thinking with the way they were they would of fucked one another up if they were in the same division and had to unify. I could be wrong i don't think they would of had the love really not to fight feel like they would of gone at it i am pretty sure Micheal would of end up winning it as well.

One would want to hope Michael would have won it since his brother was a bum!

I could also imagine the Ukranian brothers going at it too, that'd be a fight!

I don't think any 2 brothers would have what would amount to a blood thirsty fight, it would be criticised anyway.