Twin Towers WTC v Grenfell Tower

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Most people with AS are deficient in one or the other main nutrients I mentioned above. This clearly indicates a problem that accumulated over time. Fenster wasn't likely not born from day 1 with the problem and neither were you. Your body was likely not absorbing nutrients for whatever the reason was based upon your individual life circumstances. Doctors themselves admit that they do not know the cause and that usually puts it down to the default 'autoimmune' category. It can be regulated.

Your family sounds very unusual Beanz, but you were likely not absorbing nutrients because of any number of reasons. 99% of people are nutrient deficient despite eating as well as they can. You cannot get good nutrition from contemporary depleted soils or the foods grown in them. You said earlier what would I know. Well it has become my mission to understand as I know the price of mineral deficiency as do most people in one way or another.

I understand that Fenster is very sick and want him to get well. Please stop abusing me and don't slander one of the most advanced nutritional groups in the world today. The products are life changing for so many people and that should be respected. To have faith in medicine would have you on diabetes meds for life. Most of these things can be cured or relieved naturally and in the long run at less cost.

It's good to keep options open and at least consider alternatives. It doesn't hurt to suggest ideas. I already cired a friend who is over the moon with it. Same condition as you both and convinced something in his past triggered it. A smart, decent chap.

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For fucks sake. Yes he was likely born with it. The genetic factor is clearly there just because you refuse to accept that. Stop pedaling your bullshit. It's not slander it's a fact. Wallach is a dangerous quack and you have fallen for his bullshit. You have no idea what you are talking about and it's incredibly offensive to suggest that these things can be cured or relieved naturally by some magic PRODUCT. Your mineral deficiency campaign is just another form of evangelical nonsense like the crap that Shouty Alex Jones sells you fool.

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That isn't proven either, so you cannot say 'the genetic factor is clearly there'. That's pedalling unproven bullshit too. You are ruling out the alternative without having even tried. You likely were not getting your nutritional balance. Youngevity has changed the lives of many people, just check out the comments online, check out the reviews, talk to friends who have used it. People like it because it has helped their health, because it works. Olympians have used it, sports stars have used it, friends of Presidents have used it and they have alleviated or cured things the medical establishment often could not. Those are some facts. There is nothing magic about nutrients, it is called nature and when we have the nutrients we need our bodies can produce incredible results. You have never looked into it, never tried it, and have just done a two minute slander run on Google. You are the fraud, old boy. You are likely sick because you didn't get the nutrition you need. I know it can be relieved as I have seen it with my own eyes. I didn't discover it, others said it might work for me too and so I am giving it a try. So far so good, but it's not a quick fix rebalancing so many years of unbalance. Take roseacea a condition doctors say has no permanent cure, well I have cured it naturally. Given time I would like to see what else I can do. Most people are missing something or other whence things going wrong.

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Stop being such an arrogant fuckwit. How considering the prevalence of AS in my family could I deny the genetic factor? HLA-B27 is there for 88% of people with AS, it is inherited. 50% of first degree relatives with spondyloarthropathies are HLA-B27 positive. It is clearly hereditary. It is an auto immune disease whether you like it or not. Please stop lecturing on something you have little knowledge of. How dare you suggest that the children of a medicinal herbalist and nutritionist would not have looked into natural wholefoods and nutrients and the absorption of their properties, as though their mother would not have spent her life researching the best for her children . Twat.

I think Miles trying to help people. I think Miles is suggesting thinking outside of the box. There is no malice intended when he suggests alternate route apps. Miracles are always right around the corner.

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Your family sounds very unusual Beanz

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Well Jesus Christ, Miles, WTF TOOK YA?

Some are utterly hooked/lined/sunk on Western medicine. Anything out of that blanky is ostracized as "quack medicine".
Yet they keep eating depleted foods, treated/irradiated produce/rancid hydrogenated oils/refined flour and sugar.

Miles

Now that you're the king of nutrients. Is all this now null and void?

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...85#post1434485

You've come a long way in a very short space of time. I think you sell yourself short. With the proper vocational training, a man that picks up new skills that easily could become a plumber no problem.

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Some are utterly hooked/lined/sunk on Western medicine. Anything out of that blanky is ostracized as "quack medicine".
Yet they keep eating depleted foods, treated/irradiated produce/rancid hydrogenated oils/refined flour and sugar.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-ZqD9-W1_8

So...erm...about that fire

Beans et al ***NEED TO DEMONIZE ALEX JONES**** bcuz they are closed minded judgemental pricks.

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

Some are utterly hooked/lined/sunk on Western medicine. Anything out of that blanky is ostracized as "quack medicine".
Yet they keep eating depleted foods, treated/irradiated produce/rancid hydrogenated oils/refined flour and sugar.

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Yes that would be yourself and Miles. I mean come on Miles for years has told us all how much he can't abide vegetables and has survived on a diet of barbecued chicken and frey Bentos pies, crisps and chocolate bars sent from the UK and then you share with us all a regular diet of shit mass produced lagers which you call 'beer' and these which you shared a couple days ago


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You most certainly do not get any more western medicine like then Wallach, Jones etc and their "supplements". It's beyond parody because now we have Miles telling us that you can't possibly get nutrients form Whole foods even if you grow them yourself because he doesn't trust soil.


The pair of you are a joke. You are almost hyper western and certainly ultra conventional and conservative in your appetites and opinions. You can't have it both ways.

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Life style I wonder if I done this I would not have that,! but there are NO guarantees are they you can try.
Here is something we could debate for weeks and a fact we dont know when illness will strike us.:dontknow:

The judge put in charge of the Grenfell public Inquiry has already said he does not think the inquiry will go far enough

The retired judge heading the inquiry into the Grenfell Tower fire says he is "doubtful" the process will be as wide-ranging as some residents hope.
Sir Martin Moore-Bick said the probe could be limited to the cause, how it spread, and preventing a future blaze.
He was speaking after travelling to the site of the fire in North Kensington and meeting some of the survivors.
Some Grenfell residents have said they were unhappy at not being involved in Sir Martin's appointment.
They have also previously told how they raised fire safety concerns for several years before the fire.
The judge said the fire was an "enormous tragedy and I can honestly say I have never seen anything like that building which is now completely gutted".
Sir Martin said: "I'm well aware the residents and the local people want a much broader investigation and I can fully understand why they would want that.
"Whether my inquiry is the right way in which to achieve that I'm more doubtful and I will give that some thought and in due course make a recommendation."
He added: "But there may be other ways in which the desire for that investigation could be satisfied otherwise through the work that I'm going to do."...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40446579

There should be an inquest

Grenfell Tower residents should demand an inquest rather than a public inquiry to get answers about the tragedy, according to a solicitor who acted for people affected in the 2009 Lakanal House fire.
Sophie Khan said that in an inquest the Government would “lose control” and a jury would be able to deliver its conclusion regardless of whether it was uncomfortable to hear.
In a public inquiry, such as that ordered by the Prime Minister into the fire that killed at least 17 on Wednesday, a minister will set the terms of reference, which guide how the hearings proceed.


Ms Khan told BBC Newsnight: “In an inquest they lose control of what a jury verdict will do. Juries will come out with narrative verdicts which may be very difficult for the Government to hear.
“You can't have both, you can only have one or the other. They [residents] should really be demanding an inquest.
“I'm very concerned as to why Ms May came out so quickly to say, 'public inquiry'. What is there, that she knows, that needs to be hidden?”
She added: “We have to look at the fire assessments because here there is a fire issue as well. It's not just the council we need to look at. What were the fire brigade doing? Refurbishments have been done, what tests did they do on the building?”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7792891.html

Lifestyle choices and nutrition (example how many of you have ever eaten 2 pounds of broccoli and 2 whole HEADS of garlic sauteed in olive oil AT ONE SITTING FOR DINNER? MAYBE NONE OF YOU. BUT DO THAT FOR 6 MONTHS AND IT MAY CURE YOU.) ......are 75% of reason for ALL DISEASE