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Anyone believe in a throw away card to distract from absurdity of draw in the first place? How many had it a draw???
basically a win win for Alvarez. Would like Golovkin to get a wild hair and tell rematch aka Canelo to sit in the back of the room while he takes lead. Basically it all resets.
It must be disheartening to experience such a thing. Big Drama took it well though
I had it 116-112 GGG. I'm going to keep drinking.
Think a draw is the least biased score card there was i was ok with it or 115-113 for either fighter. But looking at the scores it all depends on how you scored first rounds for the fighters a lot people here were saying so close but edge it GGG. I thought the draw card was least biased one and be down for rematch. Man all i heard before this fight was GGG going to bulldoze the Ginger could not even floor the guy the still hate the guy after the great fight.
Also for the life of me do not understand why judges do not watch the fight on tv in a room away from the fight. You get such a better angle to score and this is a thing i do not get in boxing why not watch it on tv.
All I said was ggg was going to win, and I was rightQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
I think the draw was the right call and that what ended up happening. I think rematch will end better for Canelo ever time i see him in ring his defence is getting better and better just has some holes still.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusAll I said was ggg was going to win, and I was rightQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
The draw was 20/1 in-running around the 7th (with PP).Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMEI put money on it 18/1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Batman
its usually 33/1 on a draw.
golovkin deserved it. Knew he would and he did but boxing is corrupt
Surprised at some of the comments as I wanted GGG to win so BJS could get his shot.
Before watching the fight I expected a KO win from GGG and Canelo to win the decision.
Canelo made GGG miss so many times and should be awarded for that.
GGG was always moving forward in a Margarito type way but was often countered and never hurt Canelo.
Canelo must improve his stamina and I just can't see GGG getting any better.
Easily 7-5 Canelo
Canelo won the fight by at least 2 rounds.
He was taking just few more rounds off then he should but his defence is almost there. If Mayweather not going to fight anymore should coach the guy Canelo is making improvements and is so close to being complete.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
No way Canelo is going to want to share the ring again with Golovkin. It took him 18 months to do it the first time, they will now carry on making money against inferior fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140I think the draw was the right call and that what ended up happening. I think rematch will end better for Canelo ever time i see him in ring his defence is getting better and better just has some holes still.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusAll I said was ggg was going to win, and I was rightQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
Canelo was doing nothing on the ropes and was exhausted trying to steal rounds no way did he deserve to win the fight. Golovkin landed consistently.
...And Adelaide Bird will still continue to keep her job and get paid lots iots money. Seriously, in one of the richest events in the world, how can one person be so obviously incompetent and/or corrupt and it just be accepted. The sport is a joke whilst people like that are involved. She should never have judged again after Lewis vs Holyfield, but yet she has continued to wipe her ass all over fights for another 20 years!
There punches landed were really close except for few rounds with Canelo landing few more power shots and GGG landing more jabs. Both which landing at low percentage Canleo at 33 and GGG 31 a lot of missed shots and glove hits.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterAgreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
Canelo was doing nothing on the ropes and was exhausted trying to steal rounds no way did he deserve to win the fight. Golovkin landed consistently.
Canelo landed more power punches and he landed at a far higher connect percentage. GGG was more marked up after the fight he was gifted a draw for sure, second time in a row he'd gotten away with it.
Do you even like boxing? Seriously? There was some quality work there by two great fighters in a barnstormer that actually delivered on the hype. There is nothing mediocre about Golovkin and just disagreeing with the hyperbole used when talking about him does not mean you have to dismiss his career in such a daft manner. You just come across like GaMo a troll trying to bait people into not talking about the fight, and showing no respect to the fighters or the sport. Canelo is way more than a survivor and certainly not a boy, some of his work was top drawer against an opponent who could smother and negate the majority of fighters in and around his division. Big balls on the pair of them to be throwing for 12 rounds in against their most dangerous opponent to date.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
The only sheister was Byrd with a scorecard filled out in 2016 and two blowhards who can't admit that both men are way above good solid fighters. They are both Great fighters. Amongst the greatest ? Show ain't over , but you do them and the art a disservice to dismiss it so easily.
That was a great fight between two tremendously talented operators who gave it their all. Respect and hats off to them both. A modern classic.
@Beanz I am talking about the fight and I did enjoy the fight... are you still drunk?
Who the fook is that guy?Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMo
You are agreeing with Byrds score card and expressing disbelief that everyone does not share that view. That suggests neither of you even watched the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMo
Yeah at least have a screen in front of them for when the ref or the other fighter gets in the way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
It is a strange anomaly. In a row along one side below the ring and they have the career and often the legacy of the fighters in their hands. It's 2017 and nobody is asking for replays or slow mo but rings, round length, gloves, shorts, even rules have changed, time to be a realist and supplement that tradition or at least talk about and implement a system at lower levels that improves the accuracy and makes their job easier. That said when there is such a huge discrepancy it's hard not to call bullshit out when bullshit is what it is. Homeclub, Hometown, Home Country, Ineptitude or being given too many golden tickets something smells fishy and it ain't the fruits de la mer.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndreYeah at least have a screen in front of them for when the ref or the other fighter gets in the way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
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Originally Posted by BIG HWho the fook is that guy?Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMo
Your boy got KO'ed last week so back to the MMA or gay porn forum's for you cock muncher X
He is absolute muppet who has been getting on my nerves this past week.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HWho the fook is that guy?Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMo
I thought after Canelo ran away from Golovkin trying to steal rounds he would show some humility but no he is going to be a cunt for another 6 months.
Canelo tried to steal the fight GGG tried to win it to be honest GGG got robbed no surprise, Canelo short burst of combinations landing mostly on the arms.!
GGG relentless pressure was the key Canelo normally likes to fight at his own pace he was out of his comforts zone he landed his best punches on GGG and they had little affect simple.
When they went toe to toe Canelo was the first to get on his bike this fight in my eyes Canelo was gifted a draw and GGG
WAS robbed.
The woman judge was a disgrace I new they were going to rob GGG IN VAGAS really was only one winner GGG.;)
Can you imagine Sugar Ray Robinson or Marvin Hagler or Carlos Monzon for example lose the last three rounds of a decision like GGG lost last night on all three judges scorecards?
Triple G is not even close to being considered an all-time great. Not even close.
You are looking at these great middleweight with rose tinted glasses. Hagler struggled with Duran for some strange reason, Robinson lost 5 times.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
It is silly to compare what GGG did for the last 3 rounds of his fight against the greats.
Marvin Hagler and Sugar Ray Robinson always found a way to pull the fight out. Triple G struggled over the last three rounds and Canelo completely out hustled him and rounds 10 11 and 12 those are the championship rounds and a 12-round fight. Golovkin at no point in the fight at absolutely no point in the fight did Golovkin dominate over Canelo
@Master a fighter who finally got the night of his life to shine and to rise to the level of an elite and an all-time great has to do a lot better than Triple G did last night where he is reduced to merely complaining about the scorecards.
Had Golovkin one even one of the final three rounds he would have won the fight. Imagine Marvin Hagler struggling to win one of the last three rounds of a fight where it is closed. Triple G made absolutely no adjustments in the fight and had a very low connect percentage of something like 30% where he had been averaging 46% over his last five fights in fact he never heard Canelo even once and he never had Canelo reeling a rocking at all in any way shape or form. Triple G could not make any adjustments and therefore it was a very flat performance
If you're going to be compared with all-time greats Like Sugar Ray Robinson and Carlos monzon you cannot get out hustled during the last three rounds. It is actually unforgivable to be out hustled and lose the three final rounds in a championship fight and be considered an all-time great
"Cock muncher" 😂😂😂Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMoQuote:
Originally Posted by BIG HWho the fook is that guy?Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMo
Your boy got KO'ed last week so back to the MMA or gay porn forum's for you cock muncher X
Leave him alone! 😂 don't go running this guy out of town like you did with Ross and PK.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterHe is absolute muppet who has been getting on my nerves this past week.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HWho the fook is that guy?Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMo
I thought after Canelo ran away from Golovkin trying to steal rounds he would show some humility but no he is going to be a cunt for another 6 months.
He's been entertaining these last couple of weeks. Ok, so he's mostly full of shit and wrong , but hey, everyone's entitled to their opinion.
GGG won that fight hands down. I think appropriate scores would be 9-3 GGG, 8-4 GGG (how I scored it), and 7-5 GGG. Anything else is wrong. Canelo was gifted a draw because it was a clear loss. GGG out-boxed the supposed superior boxer. He's no Hagler or Monzon - let's not get crazy - but, if he unifies with BJS, he's in the HOF. And a damn fine middleweight.
Leonard and Hearns would have handled Golovkin without much trouble.
HD Russian version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_cmj1eWG54
Yes so would Sugar Ray Robinson, Monzon, Ketchell and Randolf Turpin. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMo
Gennady Golovkin says draw with Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez is 'bad for the sport'
Gennady Golovkin said his controversial draw with Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez in the world middleweight title fight on Saturday was "bad for the sport".
After a closely fought bout in Las Vegas, one judge scored it 118-110 for Alvarez, another 115-113 for Golovkin and the third a 114-114 draw.
Kazakh Golovkin, 35, retained his WBA, WBC and IBF titles and remains unbeaten in 38 fights.
"It's terrible, for me it's terrible. This is not correct," said Golovkin.
"I saw the computer, the total punches and I saw people's reaction."
Golovkin added that he "wants a rematch" and Alvarez also confirmed he would face Golovkin again if "that's what people want".
According to statistics, Golovkin landed more punches overall but judge Adalaide Byrd had Alvarez as a clear winner, Dave Moretti scored the bout for Golovkin and Dan Trella had the fighters level.
Byrd's scorecard has since received heavy criticism after she awarded Alvarez 10 of the 12 rounds and a portion of the crowd at the T-Mobile Arena booed when the decision was announced.
But Mexican Alvarez felt he had done enough to take the middleweight titles away from Golovkin.
He started and finished the fight the stronger, and also produced some of the more eye-catching shots.
"I didn't base it on the scorecard, I wasn't taking points round-by-round but what I am sure of at the end of the fight was that I won," said the 27-year-old.
"I have no doubt in my mind, I won the fight."
Alvarez's record now stands at 49 wins (34 KO), two draws and one defeat from 52 fights.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/41302368
I love Marvin Hagler, and to my mind he is the best middleweight I've ever seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
BUT, Brock, don't forget he also had moments of weakness.
He started off strangely tentatively against Duran (just like GGG did this weekend), he also inexplicably came out southpaw against Leonard and gave him the first few rounds too.
His 'canelo' moment, though, was in his first world title shot against Vito Antuofermo. He came out slow and did allow the inferior fighter to seem to outhustle him to a controversial draw.
Hagler was (and is) overrated.
Right, I have calmed down a bit now so I can give my more rational thoughts on this fight
First, and most importantly ...... I really enjoyed the fight. Two elite level boxers going at it hammer and tongs, giving their best, respecting the opponent and leaving nothing behind in the ring.
I thought Canelo was superb. That was the best performance I've seen from him, and he proved to me that he is the real thing.
He definitely started better, he was calmer and more confident at the beginning and his boxing skills were excellent. He definitely did not look the smaller man in there at all.
I criticised his slow feet before the fight, but it was his smart footwork that made GGG follow him for the first 5 rounds rather than effectively cut off the ring.
He feinted and drew Golovkin superbly, and he had the technique to land easily the more eye catching shots. His hands were noticeably faster that GGG's too, and when he unloaded in combinations it was truly impressive. It did seem that (at times) he could hit Golovkin at will. He was never really hurt and showed a great chin.
I thought Golovkin looked very tense entering the ring, and he also started off strangely tentatively. All the talk of him implicitly trusting his chin and walking through people was clearly wrong as he did seem to have a bit too much respect for Canelos power early on.
By the 4th round, though, he had found his groove. He started to cut the ring off and he applied truly MASSIVE pressure on Canelo. He was in front of Alvarez for three minutes of every round, even running towards him on several occasions. This put Canelo into pure survival mode for large parts of the fight and I think he gassed out for most of the middle period.
GGG was absolutely relentless. The pressure was unbelievable. Alvarez landed his Sunday shots on him several times - and those are the same shots that have iced his previous opponents - and Golovkin didn't budge. Unbelieviable chin.
I thought Golovkin swept the 4th to the 10th pretty conclusively. He pressured, threw punches and landed more shots on an overwhelmed opponent. Canelo tried to survive and steal rounds, no shame in that but I really don't think he did enough.
Canelo saved some gas for a good finish, and I think his hand speed edged the last couple of rounds.
After an excellent fight, full value of money and conducted by two great pros .....neither guy had been seriously shaken or hurt .... and we were in that well-known territory whereby we had rounds that were quite divisive to score.
This was almost deja vu to Hagler versus Leonard.
We had a blue collar, fearsome destroyer who has dominated their division for years. Someone who never got the breaks on the way up and was constantly avoided...... versus the media darling moving up a weight, with flashy skills and the ability to generate many more ticket sales,
I thought GGG won the fight by two or three rounds, but that's maybe because I was already a big GGG fan and I was a bit biased. In that case, even if I conceded a couple of rounds to Canelo that I had awarded to GGG I accept it was a close fight. It definitely wasn't a 118-110 fight for either guy.
Strangely enough, this was the ideal result for GGG.
He is still the champion, still undefeated and with a much wider fan base now, probably included many New Mexican ones. If he had lost, he would never ever had a rematch as De la Hoya would have wanted no part of him.
If he had won, I still don't think he would have got Canelo back in the ring
Now, he most likely has fans clamouring for a rematch against the biggest PPV star out there. A guy he knows can't hurt him, who can't keep up with his relentless pace. Big money. Start faster and better and he can make the rematch a big drama show.
Before this fight, would GGG have sacrificed a draw, with many people giving him the moral victory, in return for a massive boost to his fan base and the opportunity to make another £15 million? I think so
sorry for the long post!