Wacko's Round by Round of Roy Jones jr vs Tito Trinidad! Happy New Year bwoyo's!

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Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn

Good Job ICB...CC to ya mate....Wacko would be proud....What happened to old Wacko tonight anyway?....

IMO Trinidada did not look bad at all...Especially since it has been over 2yrs and at 170lbs...He could make some noise at 160....No shame for Tito....He made a good showing...

Roy looked good but at times he seemed to me not able to stay strong throughour the fight....He was not able to fight 3min of every rd...But he did look good...his confidence was back...the more the fight went on the better he got...

Much better bout then I expected....

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Lost his cable due to a snow storm.

I agree both fighters looked good. Tito was turned into a scared fighter after feeling the power of the bigger faster Jones.

In the end I think both fighters had great careers but should stay retired.

Jones can't hang with the big boys in these divisions anymore. He did look good against a smaller fighter in Tito but he won't be able to walk down guys his size or bigger and his confidence didn't look genuine until the first down. Unfortunately, I think he's destined to get knocked out ugly again in one of his next fights. I hope not, but it looks like the case.

Tito looked pretty sharp early, if Jones had just come in looking for a KO it might've cost him. Like said before, Tito got great hart and a decent chin to go with it. Not so easy to just KO him.

I'm really happy it was a good fight and not a total blowout. I wish both fighters the best and I think they both have a little gas left in the tank for 2 or 3 fights.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

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Originally Posted by LeftHookToTheBody

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

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Originally Posted by LeftHookToTheBody

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

Jones would whip Hopkins Azz... I am more convinced about that than I ever been after seeing this fight, and Hopkins last 2 fights...

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Uh, no. Roy could not put away a man 23 pounds beyond his best weight and who had not fought in two and a half years. That is not an impressive win in the least.

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Neither did Hopkins when he fought Wright ::** Go hate somewere else junior

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Great comparison. Wright is a defensive master. I never expected Hopkins or anyone else to KO Wright. Trinidad ain't no defensive master. I fully expected a Jones KO, and the fact that he couldn't deliver proves that he has lost something. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a hater...Roy at his best is a top 20 all time great. But he does not have it anymore.

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Did you even watch the fight? From the halfway stage on Roy completely and utterly dominated. Even before that he was totally relaxed and just playing around.

It was basically a sparring session for him. He could have put Trinidad away if he would have wanted he was just clearly enjoying putting on a show.

Great performance by Jones I honestly think he has a shot at beating not just Hopkins but even Calzaghe.

When he got knocked out by Tarver, and then Johnson it was like Jones didn't know that age was catching up with him and he was still fighting his old flashy style.

He's now learned that he aint the lightening fast invincible machine any more and he's adapted his style, slower, more methodical, relying on a decent block technique rather than rapid head and body movements for defense.

He's like Ali post his ban, not as fast but clever.

I really think he can go out with a bang and even reclaim his spot as p4p number 1, at least if Floyd doesn't fight.

He's going to be remembered like Ali and Foreman as a legend who reinvented himself in his older years to achieve success all over again.

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:coolclick: Bilbo, thats how I saw it.... I think Roy will reclaim prominence and then hopefully go out the right way.. Jones stock just shot up 100000000000000000% and rightfully so

IMO, the Tito that lost tonite to Jones Jr. was a lot better than the one that lost to Winky two years ago. At least Tito was more active, going upstairs, downstairs.... staying busy, and throwing hooks, jabs, right hands, etc.

But as everyone suspected, it was too much to ask for Tito's power to have the same effect on Jones Jr. as it has had on most of his other opponents. Jones Jr. has fought at heavyweight, whereas Tito had never fought above 160 pounds. To expect Tito to hurt Jones Jr. easily was hoping against hope.

That being said, I thought it was an entertaining fight, probably better than most people expected.

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Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn

Good Job ICB...CC to ya mate....Wacko would be proud....What happened to old Wacko tonight anyway?....

IMO Trinidada did not look bad at all...Especially since it has been over 2yrs and at 170lbs...He could make some noise at 160....No shame for Tito....He made a good showing...

Roy looked good but at times he seemed to me not able to stay strong throughour the fight....He was not able to fight 3min of every rd...But he did look good...his confidence was back...the more the fight went on the better he got...

Much better bout then I expected....

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Wacko couldn't get online snow trouble or something CC back.

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Originally Posted by boozeboxer

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Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing

Sorry if the last few rounds wern't good its because i couldn't get on Saddo's and i was trying to rush to get all the comments in. And im already half a sleep at the moment, but i tried my best folks overall great fight. Thats the best Jones i've seen in ages he stood toe to toe with Tito and out brawled the brawler. Great performance from both fighters im glad they proved a lot of doubters wrong, most people thought this would be a boring fight including myself so i think Jones and Tito deserve around of a applause :appl:

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And don't forget a :appl: :goodpost: :coolclick: for ICB!

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Thanks mate appreciate it CC.

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Originally Posted by Deanrw

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Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing

Sorry if the last few rounds wern't good its because i couldn't get on Saddo's and i was trying to rush to get all the comments in. And im already half a sleep at the moment, but i tried my best folks overall great fight. Thats the best Jones i've seen in ages he stood toe to toe with Tito and out brawled the brawler. Great performance from both fighters im glad they proved a lot of doubters wrong, most people thought this would be a boring fight including myself so i think Jones and Tito deserve around of a applause :appl:

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CC ice! Both of them looked much better than I expected and both could make much more noise if they commited themselves. Tito if he could move down to 160, would be a top contender again IMO. He was sharp and powerful early on. His timing and body shots were fantastic.

Jones showed me that he still is the fastest fighter alive right now. He could beat anyone at 168-175 on a given night.

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You know what ?? both fighters showed me something that i haven't seen from them in a long time. Tito vs Pavlik would be fantastic, and Jones vs the winner of Calzaghe vs Hopkins would be great as well.

CC back.

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Originally Posted by Spicoli Surfs 'Nawlins

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Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing

Sorry if the last few rounds wern't good its because i couldn't get on Saddo's and i was trying to rush to get all the comments in. And im already half a sleep at the moment, but i tried my best folks overall great fight. Thats the best Jones i've seen in ages he stood toe to toe with Tito and out brawled the brawler. Great performance from both fighters im glad they proved a lot of doubters wrong, most people thought this would be a boring fight including myself so i think Jones and Tito deserve around of a applause :appl:

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Take a bow ICE. Good job dude.I was in the dark throughout as far as seeing it and thats the last time I miss a card.Have to wait and see Fight before I declare the official "rebirth".
Was it a case of Jones setteling for a shut out or did he really try to close the show??

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I think after the Middle rounds Jones was completely in control and he was just putting on a show. When he did floor Tito he did try and close the show but Tito was tough and showed a lot of heart. Not quite the vintage Roy Jones but pretty damn impressive, because he was much more aggressive in this fight and was even backing up Tito.

CC.

#1675 good job Ice

Fantastic fight. Really impressed with Tito, as i predicted he would totally get destroyed, but has shown why he is classed as legend - 2 stone weight difference and after a 2 year layoff. if he moves a few weights down will trouble a lot of people.

Roy Jones looked imense too, i think he could of finished the fight off at any moment with a tko but didnt due to respect for tito. at times his speed and accuracy wrer amazing!!

im still not sure he could beat calzaghi or hopkins as he didnt really prove that much tonight by beating tito, although was a cracking fight. will be intresting to see where he goes from here.

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

IMO, the Tito that lost tonite to Jones Jr. was a lot better than the one that lost to Winky two years ago. At least Tito was more active, going upstairs, downstairs.... staying busy, and throwing hooks, jabs, right hands, etc.

But as everyone suspected, it was too much to ask for Tito's power to have the same effect on Jones Jr. as it has had on most of his other opponents. Jones Jr. has fought at heavyweight, whereas Tito had never fought above 160 pounds. To expect Tito to hurt Jones Jr. easily was hoping against hope.

That being said, I thought it was an entertaining fight, probably better than most people expected.

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You should be proud of your boy even though im Roy Jones Jr fan i always admired Tito, and in this fight he got even more respect from me, he looked sharp and went downstairs and upstairs and even hurt Jones a few times. Tito has still got a lot left in the tank he should move down to Middleweight and fight Pavlik IMO.

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

#1675 good job Ice

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Thanks bro CC back.

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Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

IMO, the Tito that lost tonite to Jones Jr. was a lot better than the one that lost to Winky two years ago. At least Tito was more active, going upstairs, downstairs.... staying busy, and throwing hooks, jabs, right hands, etc.

But as everyone suspected, it was too much to ask for Tito's power to have the same effect on Jones Jr. as it has had on most of his other opponents. Jones Jr. has fought at heavyweight, whereas Tito had never fought above 160 pounds. To expect Tito to hurt Jones Jr. easily was hoping against hope.

That being said, I thought it was an entertaining fight, probably better than most people expected.

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You should be proud of your boy even though im Roy Jones Jr fan i always admired Tito, and in this fight he got even more respect from me, he looked sharp and went downstairs and upstairs and even hurt Jones a few times. Tito has still got a lot left in the tank he should move down to Middleweight and fight Pavlik IMO.

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Thanks Ice. CC for that.

Yeah, I'm pretty proud of Tito tonight, even though he lost. He gave it his all, but Roy's just too big, too fast, and Tito's totally out of his weight.

One thing I'd like to add. Tito now has three losses. But when you consider who he has lost to, they are three of the biggest names in boxing: Hopkins, Winky, and now Jones Jr.

oh one more thing .... If Tito had the power to hurt jones, lets say equal power 50/50, i think the fight could have been a lot different. jones was walking through tito's shots and showed no respect at all for him after the 6th, because he new tito coulnt hurt him. but the way tito boxed the first 6 couple with extra power i reaken he would of beaton jones?????????

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Originally Posted by SweetPea

You guys who have the HBO feed, could you please give the Lederman scorecard every few rounds? Thanks.

Great job on the RBR, ICB.

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I think Lederman scored the fight exactly the same way as i did Sweet Pea.

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

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Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

IMO, the Tito that lost tonite to Jones Jr. was a lot better than the one that lost to Winky two years ago. At least Tito was more active, going upstairs, downstairs.... staying busy, and throwing hooks, jabs, right hands, etc.

But as everyone suspected, it was too much to ask for Tito's power to have the same effect on Jones Jr. as it has had on most of his other opponents. Jones Jr. has fought at heavyweight, whereas Tito had never fought above 160 pounds. To expect Tito to hurt Jones Jr. easily was hoping against hope.

That being said, I thought it was an entertaining fight, probably better than most people expected.

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You should be proud of your boy even though im Roy Jones Jr fan i always admired Tito, and in this fight he got even more respect from me, he looked sharp and went downstairs and upstairs and even hurt Jones a few times. Tito has still got a lot left in the tank he should move down to Middleweight and fight Pavlik IMO.

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Thanks Ice. CC for that.

Yeah, I'm pretty proud of Tito tonight, even though he lost. He gave it his all, but Roy's just too big, too fast, and Tito's totally out of his weight.

One thing I'd like to add. Tito now has three losses. But when you consider who he has lost to, they are three of the biggest names in boxing: Hopkins, Winky, and now Jones Jr.

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CC back i'll tell you what your boy had me worried for about 4 rounds, because Tito was so sharp in the early going and landed crunching body shots. Like i said Tito has still a lot left in the tank he would do very well at Middleweight IMO, even if some people aren't Tito fans you have to admire the guy, he never ducked anyone and even moved up in weight to fight fighters who were at the top of there game. I still rate Tito as one of the best Welterweights of all time and he has nothing to be ashamed of tonight. In fact he can go back to Puerto Rico and hold his head up high with pride.

Its funny how people say Roy is naturally so much bigger than Trinidad, even his walking weight is only about6-7 pounds heavier than Trinidad'a. People forget Roy fought his first 21 fights and first 4 years at 160 and below 154(he fought most of his earlier fights before Hopkins at 154). Roy didn't go up to LHW originally because he couldn't make weight at 160, 168 hell when he was making 160 or 154 the weigh-in was on the morning of the fight. Not only that, but Roy hasn't had all the power he used to have, and I thought he would have KO'ed Trinidad with a flash punch, but he clearly never tried to follow up when he hurt Trinidad, and his trademark is to carry fighters past the finish line. Could he beat Calzaghe? I doubt it because Calzaghe fights a too fast of pace and Roy wouldn't be able to keep up stamina wise, but if Calzaghe ends up fighting at a slower pace Roy would stand a chancebecause he is still much faster than Joe, in handspeed at least. However, against Bernard Hopkins he has more of a chance because where Bernard's style does well in luring in Calzaghe and causing him difficulties I think Roy's more clever offensive skills would make an interesting fight with B-Hop. Both of them fight mentally so quickly, but the difference is that Bernard's body can still keep up to the pace of his mind while only Roy's hands seem to be able to do what he really wants to do.

As for Trinidad I've felt that he fought the wrong guys in B-Hop and Wright, and that against both of them he was given the wrong advice about how to fight or they would have been a little closer. He always had the power, and he has pretty good skill, but he is like Mosley in that he doesn't ever give up, but he sticks to his guns too much andpartly its his training or success in the past, and partly he can't adjust well enough. Against Hopkins he wasn't changing up his style and thats why it became more and more one sided as the fight progressed, and same with Wright because its easy for great tacticians to realize in a few rounds that this guy really can't do anything else, and once Roy figured that out the fight was over. However the large majority of the guys out there wouldn't be able to beat Trinidad because against almost everyone his power and skill are as overwhelming as his left hook.