Hopkins vs. Dawson on HBO PPV Oct 15th (Offical Sat Night chat thread)

We fans screw ourselves over the hardest with giving a pass on bullshit like this. Regardless of a fighters personality or style refs do not get to throw professionalism and right out of the window for the hell of it. Why fight, just ring the bell and raise a hand because some guys are dicks...we'll save alot of time! Simply step back, put your bias aside and reverse the roll to another fighter...would you except it! We open the doors to get ourselves played again over and over once you start picking which guys we are ok with screwed outta fights and which we object to. There was zero satisfaction in that ring lastnight. Nothing to help this sport.

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Originally Posted by Spicoli

We fans screw ourselves over the hardest with giving a pass on bullshit like this. Regardless of a fighters personality or style refs do not get to throw professionalism and right out of the window for the hell of it. Why fight, just ring the bell and raise a hand because some guys are dicks...we'll save alot of time! Simply step back, put your bias aside and reverse the roll to another fighter...would you except it! We open the doors to get ourselves played again over and over once you start picking which guys we are ok with screwed outta fights and which we object to. There was zero satisfaction in that ring lastnight. Nothing to help this sport.

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Fans screw themselves over because they let their biased feelings for one fighter outweigh their morals and they make up a bunch of stupid arguments to try to defend it.

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Originally Posted by SEB

I left Boxing a while ago for MMA (exept for Pacquiao), in terms of entertainment. but when I see stuff like this, .....where boxing did go ?

these referees should be fired or at least held accountable for their stupid decisions (have been a lot lately).

I don't miss boxing at all seeing stuff like that.

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I'll never understand this. I could understand why you would leave for kickboxing or what not. I just don't see how wrestling is entertaining. I've watched UFC fights and for me the most entertaining part of the fights are the striking. Once they hit the ground, I go to sleep. Also, if you are leaving because of the referees you weren't a fan in the first place.

[quote]I'll never understand this. I could understand why you would leave for kickboxing or what not. I just don't see how wrestling is entertaining. I've watched UFC fights and for me the most entertaining part of the fights are the striking. Once they hit the ground, I go to sleep. Also, if you are leaving because of the referees you weren't a fan in the first place. [\quote]

Well, I've been a boxing fan since the Hagler/Leonard/Hitman days. I Started boxing myself with Mike Tyson in my dreams and competed myself to a descent amateur national level. I'm not a die hard boxing fan, but I practiced boxing a lot and know the last 30 years of boxing in terms of "big/meaningful" matchs.

But I completely understand you might question this.

I still love boxing ! but not the way it's presented today. (maybe it explains more than the whole thing) :-)

Well, I'm not just tired of the referees (there were always bad referees in any eras). but I'm tired of the whole business. Fighters ducking Fighters. protected fighters 4 "WORLD" organization with 17 weight classes...Gosh I don't even know the world champions today in every division. We let bad organisation operates (WBA) and worst people ever to manage them (Suleiman/King).

The show have come to a point where it's laughable, good matchup takes 1-2 years to materialize...and so on and so on. it's never-ending story. Quite Frankly I would dream to see an UFC like in boxing...who mandates Mayweather to fight pacquiao...and if not then he should be banned to fight for minor division. Do you realize we might never seen this bout ?

On the UFC stuff, well it's not wrestling ! it's a lot more than that. and people on the ground with good Brazilian Jiu jutsu are lethal. once you get to know how difficult and technical is the ground game, you really appreciate the events.

it's just that it's more entertaining with a lot more quality shows..on a regular basis. The champs (they have what ? 7 weight classes) in the UFC can be recognised as legitimate champs of the world...

Well, it doesn't explain the whole situation, but for me it was enough to switch. not for ever, but for now !

Seb

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I'll never understand this. I could understand why you would leave for kickboxing or what not. I just don't see how wrestling is entertaining. I've watched UFC fights and for me the most entertaining part of the fights are the striking. Once they hit the ground, I go to sleep. Also, if you are leaving because of the referees you weren't a fan in the first place. [\quote]

Well, I've been a boxing fan since the Hagler/Leonard/Hitman days. I Started boxing myself with Mike Tyson in my dreams and competed myself to a descent amateur national level. I'm not a die hard boxing fan, but I practiced boxing a lot and know the last 30 years of boxing in terms of "big/meaningful" matchs.

But I completely understand you might question this.

I still love boxing ! but not the way it's presented today. (maybe it explains more than the whole thing) :-)

Well, I'm not just tired of the referees (there were always bad referees in any eras). but I'm tired of the whole business. Fighters ducking Fighters. protected fighters 4 "WORLD" organization with 17 weight classes...Gosh I don't even know the world champions today in every division. We let bad organisation operates (WBA) and worst people ever to manage them (Suleiman/King).

The show have come to a point where it's laughable, good matchup takes 1-2 years to materialize...and so on and so on. it's never-ending story. Quite Frankly I would dream to see an UFC like in boxing...who mandates Mayweather to fight pacquiao...and if not then he should be banned to fight for minor division. Do you realize we might never seen this bout ?

On the UFC stuff, well it's not wrestling ! it's a lot more than that. and people on the ground with good Brazilian Jiu jutsu are lethal. once you get to know how difficult and technical is the ground game, you really appreciate the events.

it's just that it's more entertaining with a lot more quality shows..on a regular basis. The champs (they have what ? 7 weight classes) in the UFC can be recognised as legitimate champs of the world...

Well, it doesn't explain the whole situation, but for me it was enough to switch. not for ever, but for now !

Seb

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It's still two dudes on the ground wrestling even if it involves a lot of skill. I don't find the grappling to be entertaining. And many guys won't fight standing up so the action of the whole fight is about whether one guy can get another guy on the ground.

To be honest i i blame both of them for that foul and Hopkins is dirty but hell i am a Holyfeild fan so dirty does not bother me much. I can not believe they called it a tko though it will be a no contest soon.

I have no idea how old Hopkins is, but isnt he too old to be fighting??