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It is because Milliband is working for the banks and the key is to protect the current order rather than bring about meaningful reform. Labour is a continuatiin of the Tories. Labour likes a rampant banking industry and war criminals in its midst. It simply has a new goofy frontman. There is going to be a supercoalition and it cannot be one that will challenge the corporatist hegemony as the political system created all that. Expect a lot worse be it Labour or Tory.
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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
The non-appearance of Ed Milliband won't have done his chances much good either. Dimbleby gave everyone far too much leeway, and at one point the Green leader was yelling "I want to make my point now" over the other leaders. Again, I think the winner was Nicola Sturgeon, with Leanne Wood looking a bit better than the last debate in second, then Miliband, Farage and Bennett bringing up the rear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I don't get why Miliband is so against working with the SNP, making it a constant topic in the debates, while nobody doubts that Cameron will jump into bed with UKIP in the blink of an eye, which in my view is infinitely worse.
I think Miliband did well. Not as well as Sturgeon but did well. He was on a hiding to nothing and seems to have come out of it with credit. He is growing in stature.
If Miliband was to say he would work with SNP then Labour are wiped out in Scotland. It also gives the Tories a huge stick to beat him with in many parts of England.
It's a shame but he really has no choice.
I thought Ed did well in both TV debates to be honest. Policy aside I liked the cut of his jib. Farage is a problem child. Even with his bomb proof financially backed and verified manifesto you cant help but think he's always on the cusp of calling someone a cunt. He has to play up to the 'say what everyone else is afraid to' routine, the problem is it routinely blows up in his face.
Did anyone see newziods? It had a great Farage sketch.
Patient : Doctor I feel like a pair of curtains
Dr Farage : It's probably aids, you best go back to where you came from
That is very funny. I watched about 5 mins of newzoids but the combination of really bland crappy sanitised puppets and naff computer animated mouths made it unwatchable. It had none of the charm, spite or bile that made Spitting Image unmissable. Also the voice actors were shite. It's a pity if the jokes were that funny.
I felt the same about it, the mouths annoyed me to no end. The 5 minutes I watched did make me laugh though.
It's a joke, you have Labour or Tory. Both support ruining the country through fracking, both of whom work for the banks, both of whom have war merchants in their ranks, both of whom who promise more austerity. The system is broke because the banks got rich crashing the system and richer still after the crash. Yet, HSBC is still allowed on street corners? Seriously? No penalties despite their crimes all around the world? The government signed off deals to basically let it go? You try doing that and see where you end up. It's a banana republic.
Why is there even an election when the two main parties might as well be in a dictatorship? Oh, it's the illusion of chance. There is no chance, it is a con. Russell Brand is right, the time for voting is over. Invest in crypto currencies and just start reading up at least on alternatives. That system is done. Westminster will collapse as soon as the election is over as the economy is based on mortgage debt alone and basically there is nothing to prop it all up.
They did nothing about 2008 and so at zero percent interest, the next collapse is going to be a little more extreme. Black hole territory is coming. Negative interest rates wouldn't be a shock. You still think the banks should be in business?
Farage was attacked by the other politicians and needed Cameron to support him but he was missing in action.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
The audience was independently picked and Farage attacking them made him look stupid.
I was impressed by the Welsh leader and she said the things that Labour would have done many years ago about strengthening the unions, reducing inequality and taxing the rich. Ed could not say any of that and appeared right wing compared to the others and may have won some votes because of that.
Labour is Torylite but you have to be pragmatic to get in because that is what the voters want.
That is what the voters want? They have been sold property dreams. It is not sustainable. You will have to take away property and have a revolution. So, everyone has a home.
That is not rhetoric. Really. It just means giving a voice to poor people.
Not enough poor, black and young people bother to vote. That is their fault and are wasting their chance to make a change.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
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Well the audience (independently chosen) was representative in that it reflected the leanings of each party on stage. When 4 of the 5 parties are left of centre then yes it's likely the audience would be left of centre too - that's representative. Unless Nigel expected a 50% share for him and 50% split between the other 4?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
The reality is that UKIP poll around 13-15%. That means that broadly speaking 85-87% of the population are left of UKIP. So the audience was left leaning yes, but that was fair.
Edit: Unless Ghengis Khan happened to be in the audience it would have been difficult to be as 'Right' as Farage would like.
No, I don't think the UK politicians have a grip on finance or any of this. It is a failed state. I mean that in a good way. It won't take all that much to crush the system. Will it happen now? No. Will it? Give it a few years. Yes, you can destroy the monarchy, the media and the raping mining corporations. People vote only for what. Do I vote? No.. I know the system. In time, in time.
By the time you vote it will be too late.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
We don't have great options Miles, but to us here the last 5 years of the Tories have had a real impact on many of us and people we know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Of course we want more, of course Labour in it's current guise is far too close to the Tories, but we don't have the luxury of not deciding to vote as that will just let the Tories back in. Bigger change is needed I totally agree, but we can't just allow the Tories to roll back in while we wait for the bigger change.