Today in Trump

So today in Trump, Donny says he wants the US to land on the moon again within 5 years. What’s he gonna do when he finds out they’ve NEVER BEEN THERE BEFORE?? He’ll probably tell everyone they’ve lost the sat nav so they can’t find their way back. ;D;D;D

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

It's months ago now so you won't be able to remember but back then there were supposedly tens of thousands of sealed indictments of deep staters waiting to be unsealed when Trump gave the go ahead. None of these people are going to be found to be in any deep state conspiracy Lyle. Let's bet two thousand dollars on the outcome.

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Yes I recall mentioning the indictments....I also recall mentioning that Mueller has nothing and that there wouldn't be any indictments for Russian Collusion and what do you know? I'm right about that.


The indictments will come and it'll be a shit ton of people you've never heard of and eventually it'll work all the way up the ladder.....I'm betting there will be a few suicides too and in some cases ;);) "suicides" https://variety.com/2019/music/news/...cs-1203171101/ .....who commits suicide when they have a book coming out? Curious no?



As for your $2,000 ...I don't even have $200 to spare but go right ahead hell make it $20,000 if you're so certain.

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You haven't ever said anything about whether there'd be indictments for collusion with Russia. You have claimed that there'll be mass arrests of Democrats from Obama on down based on some lunatic conspiracy theory that started on an anime porn message board.

You need to make a stake that you can afford to pay out when these arrests never happen. If you can't afford more than twenty dollars we'll have to leave it there. How about $100 or $150?

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

2 years of Mueller, then there's campaign finance investigations, then there's inaugural committee investigations, then there's House of Representatives 'Russia/Obstruction', then there's Security clearance investigations, tax returns investigations, then there's the Southern District of NY investigations.......to have found NOTHING and to KEEP finding NOTHING it's impressive. So either there's nothing there or the Democrats are inept.

I mean they are trying SOOOOO fucking hard to get anyone to roll on Trump....Paul Manafort in solitary confinement?!?!?! That dude might be dirty for failing to register under FARA (if he's guilty then UH OH the Podesta's are guilty too and they worked for HILLARY) but solitary? It seems excessive.


Kirkland I think you're wishing for results more than you're studying up on the facts of the cases. Donald Trump has survived the world of real estate development in NYC (and elsewhere) without getting got by eager prosecutors....it ain't gonna happen now. Especially with this bullshit "UH he ran for President but didn't want to win, but he colluded with the Russians to win, because Hillary was caught completely unaware by the Electoral College system, and so Trump ACCIDENTALLY became President but with the help of Russia"....it's insane and Trump has broke your fucking brain.

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We have no idea what Mueller found other than he found a bunch of stuff that is now about a dozen separate investigations handled by various different FBI offices, SDNY, EDNY and so on.

Manafort was put in his own jailhouse suite with three rooms and a bathroom for his own safety. He was housed in a jail that has done the same for various celebrity prisoners. The last thing that guy wanted to do was mix with other prisoners. He's now off to some minimum security tennis prison for white collar prisoners. He had his own computer and phone even. And he didn't roll on Trump which is probably a key reason that Mueller can't make conspiracy charges because without Manafort's testimony he can't prove anything beyond a reasonable doubt.

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Originally Posted by walrus

So Kirk if this whole investigation was about collusion and after mueller who you so oft and highly praised found absolutely no collusion despite you, the media, former intelligence officials screaming it was so obvious. Exactly what evidence was used to start the investigation and get wiretaps on an active opposing presidential campaign. Was it the dossier Hillary payed for that both Comey and Steele stated was not verified. An investigation like that wouldn’t be approved or kicked off at some mid level government agency. Did Hillary collude or was it just opposition research which don junior gets take over the coals for. Now you Kirk you bought this bullshit since day one. Do you feel duped. Were you lied to or was everyone just wrong. I saw Maddow crying about the results, were you. And you never answered what is your obsession on this and why do you not comment on the Brexit thread since it has potential grave financial implications for your country men and yet you never enter the thread to ease their respective concerns as I am sure you have accurate view on that despite your abject failure on this Trump hunt

Funny when I mentioned campaign promises not being fufilled you mention it is not a crime but two years into trumps term you are already attacking him on that. You are either a troll, stupid, gullible or all the above

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There's a ton of collusion in plain sight, over a hundred meetings between Trump people and the Russians. The head guys still alive on presidential campaign going back to the seventies were asked how many meetings they had with Russians or any other foreign power during the campaign. The answer was zero. And if they had had any they're legally obligated to report them to the authorities. The Trump people had over a hundred meetings, denied any of them ever happened and never reported any of them to the authorities until they were uncovered by the fake news media.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

Hey Kirkland.... On Donald Trump Jr meeting with "the Russians" please note said Russians worked for (checks notes)....FUSION GPS the same Fusion GPS who started the Dossier to begin with.

But I'm absolutely certain you can explain that away

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The Trump tower meeting was with at least one Russian government agent. The wife of Russia's AG.

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That broad got a name?

Here's the list of folks involved as far as I can tell: Don Jr, Kushner, Manafort, Natalia Veselnitskaya (Fusion GPS), Rinat Akhmetshin, Rob Goldstone, & Irakly "Ike" Kaveladze

That's it and none of those people are Yelena Chaika who is the wife of Yuri Chaika Prosecutor General (their version of Attorney General) of Russia.


So are you confused or lying or what?

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That's her in bold. She handles legal cases in the west for the Russian government.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

I'll get back to all this nonsense later. Right now it turns out they're not even going to release a redacted version of the Mueller report, they're going to release a summary written by the AG who was handpicked by Trump due to his track record with the Iran Contra special counsel and his position that a sitting prsident can't be charged with obstruction:

Beyond those bottom-line conclusions, Mr. Mueller’s full report has yet to be released, and it remained unclear if it ever would be. House Democrats have demanded that it be sent to them by next Tuesday, but the Justice Department outlined a longer schedule, saying that it will have its own summary ready to send to lawmakers within weeks, though not months.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/26/u...watergate.html



If the Mueller report actually exonerated Trump it would already have been released. Instead we get two partial sentences. Good job the Democrats have subpoena power.

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God this is sad Kirkland


They've got to redact Grand Jury testimony as it's required by law. They've got to redact for "sources and methods" as well. The government doesn't turn on a dime you fucking idiot, it doesn't operate at the whims of some jackass from another country....but apparently THE LAW isn't good enough for Kirkland :shakehead:

The report will be released in a few weeks, people are wanting the report so they can glom on to whatever insane theory they'll spout off for the next wild goose chase. They are an angry mob in search of a crime Trump is guilty of. Trump just being Trump is too much for them to handle....he's broken your minds and you cannot handle the reality we're currently living in.

The Barr summary of the Mueller Report states "no Russian collusion from Trump or his campaign OR any other Americans" AND ROD ROSENSTEIN (who himself signed phony FISA warrants to start this facade) SIGNED OFF ON IT TOO! As for obstruction that's the Attorney General's call and AG Barr said "No obstruction"...Kirkland, you're hoping and wishing for things that never happened and as an actual honest to God American I find that in very poor taste.

The Democrats aren't going to like what they find if they dig long enough....they're going to find an abuse of power and intelligence the likes of which we've never seen before in the history of this nation and an attempted coup for which necks will snap! I for one am fucking tired of this charade and if not for my belief in the rule of law and the goodness of my fellow citizens I (and millions of others) would be ready to gather up the traitors, hold a trial, and hang them immediately after they are found guilty. Obama and Hillary have played a dangerous game and they continue losing...it's only a matter of time before they suffer the consequences of their treasonous actions.

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ou're parroting some crazy nonsense that started on an anime porn messageboard Lyle. You've fallen for every crazy conspiracy theory going over the last few years and this one is just the latest.

This abuse of power thing. Now that you've temporarily stopped claiming it was down to a dossier or there was a FISA warrant which somehow proves some kind of conspiracy or there are tens of thousands of sealed indictments or any of the other crap which you now temporarily see has a simple explanation, where do you get this abuse of power from? There's a whole bunch of crazy/bullshit claims that have been bundled together but which don't stand up to any kind of scrutiny as you appear to temporarily accept. So where is this abuse of power?
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Originally Posted by walrus

Here Kirk let’s start following trumps competition

Biden squarely blamed white people for Clarence Thomas being believed over Anita Hill.

“They were a bunch of white guys,” he said. “No, I mean it sincerely, a bunch of white guys hearing this testimony in the Senate Judiciary Committee. So when Anita Hill, when Anita Hill came to testify, she faced a committee that didn’t fully understand what the hell is all about. To this day I regret I couldn’t come up with a way to get a kind of hearing she deserved, given the courage she showed by reaching out to us. The hearing she deserved was a hearing where she was respected, where the tone and the questioning was not hostile and as sullied, where the fact that she stepped forward was recognized as an act of courage in and of itself. Because let’s face it, back in 1991 it took a lot of courage to take on a man who was so much a part of the establishment and the power structure.”

Clearly white people are bad. Wasn’t Clarence Thomas Black, I think he still is. Crazy Joe makes no sense

https://news.grabien.com/story-biden...e-mans-culture

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After what I saw today on TV you needn't worry about Biden. My god there were three women simultaneously on the screen addressing what Joe had said about wishing he could've done more for Anita during those hearings.

Their facial expressions alone would literally scare me shitless. At least one of these was a Democratic strategist. The other was the TV show host(ess)... and the other I didn't get to catch where she was from.

The strategist, though. Damn...... I'd hate to be in HER gunsights. She had a stare that would melt an iceberg. If I were Biden I'd get some kind of restraining order.

They're gonna burn him at the stake over Anita Hill.

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

ou're parroting some crazy nonsense that started on an anime porn messageboard Lyle. You've fallen for every crazy conspiracy theory going over the last few years and this one is just the latest.

This abuse of power thing. Now that you've temporarily stopped claiming it was down to a dossier or there was a FISA warrant which somehow proves some kind of conspiracy or there are tens of thousands of sealed indictments or any of the other crap which you now temporarily see has a simple explanation, where do you get this abuse of power from? There's a whole bunch of crazy/bullshit claims that have been bundled together but which don't stand up to any kind of scrutiny as you appear to temporarily accept. So where is this abuse of power?
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The Dossier was created by former MI6 agent and at the time FBI informant OUTCAST (for delivering bad intel) Christopher Steele who worked with Glenn Simpson's Fusion GPS and it was paid for by Perkins Coie who worked for Hillary Clinton.

The Dossier was created in 2007 to be used against John McCain https://www.circa.com/story/2017/06/...-to-know-about....you ok with that?

The Dossier (which even it's supposed author Christopher Steele has said is not true) was used to obtain FISA warrants ....you ok with that?

The Dossier was delivered to the Obama White House (ironically by a John McCain staffer) and also then delivered to the media for the fake news media to smear Donald Trump with....obviously you're ok with that.

Unverifiable/false data which was leaked from the FBI (Stzrok & Page et al) to the media for stories to print. Those stories were then presented to the FISA courts to obtain warrants....you ok with that?

Agents working for Fusion GPS, the FBI/CIA attempted to entrap Trump campaign members in meetings like the infamous Trump Tower meeting with Fusion GPS aligned Natalia Veselnitskaya or Papadopolous' meeting with Joseph Mifsud or Alexander Downer....you ok with that?

Donald Trump was surveilled using warrants obtained with unverified FALSE information and feedback loop data ginned up by crooked FBI members....you ok with that?



You seem to be of the belief that I've not looked at the situation critically or in depth...which that's fine you do you, but I've studied this quite a bit.


There's even more to this story, but hey you do some research on it.

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After what I saw today on TV you needn't worry about Biden. My god there were three women simultaneously on the screen addressing what Joe had said about wishing he could've done more for Anita during those hearings.

Their facial expressions alone would literally scare me shitless. At least one of these was a Democratic strategist. The other was the TV show host(ess)... and the other I didn't get to catch where she was from.

The strategist, though. Damn...... I'd hate to be in HER gunsights. She had a stare that would melt an iceberg. If I were Biden I'd get some kind of restraining order.

They're gonna burn him at the stake over Anita Hill.

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The seemingly sane Democrats running for President (meaning they have NO CHANCE IN HELL of winning the DNC primary): Tulsi Gabbard, Andrew Yang, Pete Buttigieg.


I'm thinking Beto, Bernie, Kamala Harris will be the main contenders.

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Originally Posted by walrus

Here Kirk let’s start following trumps competition

Biden squarely blamed white people for Clarence Thomas being believed over Anita Hill.

“They were a bunch of white guys,” he said. “No, I mean it sincerely, a bunch of white guys hearing this testimony in the Senate Judiciary Committee. So when Anita Hill, when Anita Hill came to testify, she faced a committee that didn’t fully understand what the hell is all about. To this day I regret I couldn’t come up with a way to get a kind of hearing she deserved, given the courage she showed by reaching out to us. The hearing she deserved was a hearing where she was respected, where the tone and the questioning was not hostile and as sullied, where the fact that she stepped forward was recognized as an act of courage in and of itself. Because let’s face it, back in 1991 it took a lot of courage to take on a man who was so much a part of the establishment and the power structure.”

Clearly white people are bad. Wasn’t Clarence Thomas Black, I think he still is. Crazy Joe makes no sense

https://news.grabien.com/story-biden...e-mans-culture

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After what I saw today on TV you needn't worry about Biden. My god there were three women simultaneously on the screen addressing what Joe had said about wishing he could've done more for Anita during those hearings.

Their facial expressions alone would literally scare me shitless. At least one of these was a Democratic strategist. The other was the TV show host(ess)... and the other I didn't get to catch where she was from.

The strategist, though. Damn...... I'd hate to be in HER gunsights. She had a stare that would melt an iceberg. If I were Biden I'd get some kind of restraining order.

They're gonna burn him at the stake over Anita Hill.

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They can’t tits it wasn’t his fault it’s the fault of the white man

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

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Originally Posted by walrus

So Kirk if this whole investigation was about collusion and after mueller who you so oft and highly praised found absolutely no collusion despite you, the media, former intelligence officials screaming it was so obvious. Exactly what evidence was used to start the investigation and get wiretaps on an active opposing presidential campaign. Was it the dossier Hillary payed for that both Comey and Steele stated was not verified. An investigation like that wouldn’t be approved or kicked off at some mid level government agency. Did Hillary collude or was it just opposition research which don junior gets take over the coals for. Now you Kirk you bought this bullshit since day one. Do you feel duped. Were you lied to or was everyone just wrong. I saw Maddow crying about the results, were you. And you never answered what is your obsession on this and why do you not comment on the Brexit thread since it has potential grave financial implications for your country men and yet you never enter the thread to ease their respective concerns as I am sure you have accurate view on that despite your abject failure on this Trump hunt

Funny when I mentioned campaign promises not being fufilled you mention it is not a crime but two years into trumps term you are already attacking him on that. You are either a troll, stupid, gullible or all the above

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There's a ton of collusion in plain sight, over a hundred meetings between Trump people and the Russians. The head guys still alive on presidential campaign going back to the seventies were asked how many meetings they had with Russians or any other foreign power during the campaign. The answer was zero. And if they had had any they're legally obligated to report them to the authorities. The Trump people had over a hundred meetings, denied any of them ever happened and never reported any of them to the authorities until they were uncovered by the fake news media.

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Ha ha ton of collusion in plain sight, mueller must have been blind. You should call him and tell him what you know. Even after two years and over 500 interviews with mueller finding nothing you are still hanging on to it you are fucking classic. And remember Kirk this shit started while trump was campaigning and obama was in the White House.

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Originally Posted by walrus

Here Kirk let’s start following trumps competition

Biden squarely blamed white people for Clarence Thomas being believed over Anita Hill.

“They were a bunch of white guys,” he said. “No, I mean it sincerely, a bunch of white guys hearing this testimony in the Senate Judiciary Committee. So when Anita Hill, when Anita Hill came to testify, she faced a committee that didn’t fully understand what the hell is all about. To this day I regret I couldn’t come up with a way to get a kind of hearing she deserved, given the courage she showed by reaching out to us. The hearing she deserved was a hearing where she was respected, where the tone and the questioning was not hostile and as sullied, where the fact that she stepped forward was recognized as an act of courage in and of itself. Because let’s face it, back in 1991 it took a lot of courage to take on a man who was so much a part of the establishment and the power structure.”

Clearly white people are bad. Wasn’t Clarence Thomas Black, I think he still is. Crazy Joe makes no sense

https://news.grabien.com/story-biden...e-mans-culture

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After what I saw today on TV you needn't worry about Biden. My god there were three women simultaneously on the screen addressing what Joe had said about wishing he could've done more for Anita during those hearings.

Their facial expressions alone would literally scare me shitless. At least one of these was a Democratic strategist. The other was the TV show host(ess)... and the other I didn't get to catch where she was from.

The strategist, though. Damn...... I'd hate to be in HER gunsights. She had a stare that would melt an iceberg. If I were Biden I'd get some kind of restraining order.

They're gonna burn him at the stake over Anita Hill.

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They can’t tits it wasn’t his fault it’s the fault of the white man

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Can't help but notice you save your cutest posts for me. Should I be flattered?

Why cant you all just get along :eek::eek::eek:

And what makes this forum more credible than an anime porn one? That stuff doesnt hurt anybodys feelings.....

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Hey Kirkland.... On Donald Trump Jr meeting with "the Russians" please note said Russians worked for (checks notes)....FUSION GPS the same Fusion GPS who started the Dossier to begin with.

But I'm absolutely certain you can explain that away

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The Trump tower meeting was with at least one Russian government agent. The wife of Russia's AG.

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That broad got a name?

Here's the list of folks involved as far as I can tell: Don Jr, Kushner, Manafort, Natalia Veselnitskaya (Fusion GPS), Rinat Akhmetshin, Rob Goldstone, & Irakly "Ike" Kaveladze

That's it and none of those people are Yelena Chaika who is the wife of Yuri Chaika Prosecutor General (their version of Attorney General) of Russia.


So are you confused or lying or what?

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That's her in bold. She handles legal cases in the west for the Russian government.

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Natalia Veselnitskaya & Rinat Akhmetshin (who was also at the meeting) are lawyers for Preveson Holdings Ltd. which worked with FUSION GPS who supplied the 'Russian Dossier' and were paid by Perkins Coie the law firm used by Hillary Clinton. Akhmetshin even calls Fusion GPS's Glenn Simpson "my colleague"

So just a quick synopsis: HRC -> Perkins Coie -> Fusion GPS -> Preveson Holdings Ltd (Veselnitskya & Akhmetshin) -> Trump Tower Meeting -> Blame Russia for DNC hack -> feed media stories about Trump being cozy with the Russians and Putin -> Surprisingly lose the election -> Attempt to remove Trump from office to cover asses from illegal spying campaign on Trump campaign


And if the mere meeting between Don Jr and Veselnitskaya and Akhmetshin was "illegal" or amounted to "collusion" then why, pray tell, would they decide to hold the meeting in TRUMP FUCKING TOWER where the press was camped out 24/7?


It is quite obvious Kirkland that you do not think very critically or investigate anything to do with this series of events you just accept everything the news tells you about it as 100% fact.


How's about this for coincidence....June 9th is the Trump Tower meeting and June 10th the DNC holds meetings blaming Russia for the "hack" into their systems. We don't know who did that "hack" as the servers were not provided to the FBI the servers went to CrowdStrike who pieced out little bits of information to the FBI withholding several thousand emails and other information which was probably pertinent to the situation but we'll never know because there's a 2 tiered system of justice and Democrats are allowed to get away with murder....quite literally in some cases (Ed Buck, though not related to this specific case).


How many coincidences before you start to actually question things?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqBtHXfYJfI

Everyone knows how I personally feel about Noam Chomsky and what an absolute asshat he is (just my personal opinion) and he's got 0 love for Trump or any Republican....YET......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtqWezfIhMY



How 'bout that? ;D