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Ye '24.
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Former US President Donald Trump's family real estate company has been found guilty of tax crimes.
The Trump Organization was convicted on all counts on Tuesday after two days of jury deliberations in New York.
The business is synonymous with the former president, but neither Mr Trump nor his family members were personally on trial.
Vowing to appeal against the verdict, Mr Trump said he was "disappointed" and again called the case a "witch hunt".
The company was convicted of enriching its top executives with off-the books benefits for more than a decade.
Untaxed perks included luxury cars and private school fees, prosecutors said, which made up for lower salaries and therefore reduced the amount of tax the business was required to pay.
The company is expected to face a fine of around $1.6m (£1.3m) and may also face difficulty in securing loans and financing in the future.
Mr Trump previously criticised the trial as being politically motivated. He also attacked his long-serving former chief financial executive Allen Weisselberg after he pleaded guilty in August and testified against the business.
In his most recent statement, attacking the verdict, the former Republican leader asked why the Trump Organization should be prosecuted for Mr Weisselberg's "personal conduct" - accusing him of "committing tax fraud on his personal tax returns".
"There was RELIANCE by us on a then highly respected and expensive accounting firm, and law firm, to do this work," Mr Trump said in the statement issued by his office.
"This case is unprecedented and... is a continuation of the Greatest Political Witch Hunt in the History of our Country," he said, adding that New York City was now a "hard place to be a Trump".
Prosecutors accused the Trump Organization - which operates hotels, golf courses and other properties around the world - of having a "culture of fraud and deception" during the six-week trial.
They said it ran a scheme that allowed some executives to "understate their compensation" so that their taxes "were significantly less than the amounts that should have been paid".
"The smorgasbord of benefits is designed to keep its top executives happy and loyal," prosecutor Joshua Steinglass told the jury during closing arguments.
Two subsidiaries of the Trump Organization - Trump Corp and Trump Payroll Corp - were convicted on all 17 charges of tax fraud and falsifying business records.
Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg praised the verdict on Tuesday, saying the case was "about greed and cheating".
"For 13 years the Trump Corporation and the Trump Payroll Corporation got away with a scheme that awarded high-level executives with lavish perks and compensation while intentionally concealing the benefits from the taxing authorities," he said.
Mr Weisselberg, 75, testified against the company as part of a plea deal he struck with prosecutors that will mean he spends no more than five months in jail.
He will be jailed at the notorious Rikers Island prison and must pay back more than $1.7m (£1.4m) in concealed income.
Following the verdict, the judge set a sentencing date of 13 January.
Mr Trump and his three eldest children are facing a separate civil lawsuit which could see them banned from doing business in the state.
New York Attorney General Letitia James, who is leading that civil case, issued a statement hailing Tuesday's verdict as a "big victory".
"[It] shows that we will hold individuals and organisations accountable when they violate our laws to line their pockets," she said.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-63882140
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Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
If you're gonna imitate a Spanish accent... do it right.
It's Tromp '24.
Except it's not.
It's Ye '24. :cool:
hahaha WHICH SPanish accent?? It's "Tron" in Jackson Heights Queens, NYC. Ask the Venezuelans/Colombians/Peruvians and Bolivians. It aint jus' Caribbeans out there GQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
If you're gonna imitate a Spanish accent... do it right.
It's Tromp '24.
Except it's not.
It's Ye '24. :cool:
The difference....
I still love my democrats but, you see it your way and I see it mine.
You saw Trump’s arrogance, I saw Trump’s confidence.
You saw Trump’s nationalism, I saw Trump’s patriotism.
You heard Trump’s unsophisticated words, I heard Trump’s honesty.
You saw Trump’s racism, I saw Trump’s words being misconstrued and twisted by the media daily to fit their narrative.
You saw Trump as a Republican, I saw Trump as a Patriot.
You saw Trump as a dictator, I saw Trump as a
leader.
You saw Trump as an Authoritarian, I saw
Trump as the only one willing to fight for our
freedoms.
You saw Trump as childish, I saw Trump as a fighter, unwilling to cave to lies.
You saw Trump as an unpolished politician, I saw Trump as a breath of fresh air.
You believe Trump hates immigrants, I know Trump married an immigrant.
You saw Trump putting an end to immigration in America, I saw Trump welcoming immigrants to America LEGALLY.
You saw Trump’s cages at the border, I saw Obama’s cages at the border.
You saw Trump with a struggling economy, I saw Trump with an amazing economy until Democrats shut it down.
You saw violence in the streets and called it “Trump’s America”, I saw violence in the streets of Democrat-run cities that refused Trump’s help and who called the violence “Liberal America.”
You wanted someone more "Presidential", I’m happy we had someone who finally didn’t just talk the talk he actually walked the walk.
You and I? We see things very differently.
{beautifully expressed with eloquence and sagacity by a New York City woman who allowed me to re-post it here}
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Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBellhahaha WHICH SPanish accent?? It's "Tron" in Jackson Heights Queens, NYC. Ask the Venezuelans/Colombians/Peruvians and Bolivians. It aint jus' Caribbeans out there GQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
If you're gonna imitate a Spanish accent... do it right.
It's Tromp '24.
Except it's not.
It's Ye '24. :cool:
Hey Einstein...
What is the official language in every country you just mentioned?
I'll give you a week to look it up.
Yeah... Spanish.
I'd honestly make fun of you... but I'm not one to kick a dog when he's down.
Besides... you do a pretty good job of looking foolish yourself.
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Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
It is not about what you or other deluded people chose to see. It is about what you refused to acknowledge. Wilful ignorance at best but actually somethng far more troubling. You all just showed the world what you had been hiding all along.
A willingness to remain silent when Trump was the first to be repugnant in so many ways and yet even now you refuse to speak out.
But you never even voted for him, you voted for Jo Jorgensen ?Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
Yep.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraBut you never even voted for him, you voted for Jo Jorgensen ?Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
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Originally Posted by BeanzQuote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
It is not about what you or other deluded people chose to see. It is about what you refused to acknowledge. Wilful ignorance at best but actually somethng far more troubling. You all just showed the world what you had been hiding all along.
A willingness to remain silent when Trump was the first to be repugnant in so many ways and yet even now you refuse to speak out.
I don't know Beanz...
This to me sounds like "A friend of mine has this problem..." ;)
Yo... Brock... why add the NYC woman part? Just own the comment.
By the way, your "You see this... I see that" speech doesn't even qualify for a "You say to-may-to... I say to-mah-to" response.
Why? Because it's delusional.
What you see is a façade. Something that doesn't exist. An insignificant, orange Wizard of Oz booming over loudspeakers and from behind a curtain... when everyone with more than two microbes of gray matter can see the pathetic figure hiding behind the curtains.
This is too fukking easy. Think I'll go get a beer. :cool:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...eliberate.html
I was expecting some level of right wing terrorism to become an ongoing thing after January 6th and I expect it to continue on an eventual regular basis but it's weird the things that really set them off. Drag shows here and endless bomb threats/death threats to a children's hospital in Boston/its staff.
Fake cards.
That can’t be real. Did he say he was a greater president than Washington and Lincoln?
:lolhaha:. Trading cards. Jebus fookin Christmas what are the farm animals still falling in line for :sheep:. Champion hoodwink artist and grievance-grifter has exceeded pathetic. Sad.
Just stop.
Not just trading cards, these are digital trading cards... The kids call them nfts, once again the world's best business man is ahead of the curve on this nft thing(probably stands for new fangled technology!)... Also if you buy 45 of them you're guaranteed a ticket to one of trumps dinners, hopefully Kanye and Nick Fuentes have their credit cards ready.Quote:
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Originally Posted by palmerqNot just trading cards, these are digital trading cards... The kids call them nfts, once again the world's best business man is ahead of the curve on this nft thing(probably stands for new fangled technology!)... Also if you buy 45 of them you're guaranteed a ticket to one of trumps dinners, hopefully Kanye and Nick Fuentes have their credit cards ready.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
The only scam scammier than cryptocurrency and of course Trump goes for it.
And to make it even more scammier, if you read the FAQ, anytime someone trades these virtual trading cards ,the scammers....I mean creators get 10% of the sale...... amazing stuff. Stand or deliver!
https://twitter.com/TimHannan/status...01315884384270Quote:
Originally Posted by palmerq
https://twitter.com/TimHannan/status...05576446181376
That is the proper spelling of martial after all ! Good stuff
Tron 24
for starters,........too much hair!Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Oh, and
Tron '24
https://apnews.com/article/donald-tr...d3ce64ac8b5d99
"Jan. 6 report blames Trump, aims to prevent return to power"
Well there it is. :cool:
If it takes an 814-page report to state the obvious... so be it.
The cynic in me will hold off on the high fives and the champagne until the important stuff happens... the follow-up.
Good thing Trump doesn't live in a "shit-hole country." He would've had his ass thrown in jail a loooonnnnggg time ago. :cool:
LoL
“Was just advised that the Unselect Committee of political Thugs has withdrawn the Subpoena of me concerning the January 6th Protest of the CROOKED 2020 Presidential Election. They probably did so because they knew I did nothing wrong, or they were about to lose in Court. Perhaps the FBI’s involvement in RIGGING the Election played into their decision. In any event, the Subpoena is DEAD!”
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-...y-6-committee/
What...
a...
fucking...
joke.
With every passing day... my cynicism becomes more and more justified. ;)
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Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
At this rate you might even be right. Which would only mean that you'd get the President you deserve.
Anybody wanting to make sense of the current goings on in the House can enjoy this liberated from the paywall article:
The House Republican majority is currently paralyzed by an internecine power struggle that, like some ninth-century Byzantine religious schism, is simultaneously all-consuming to the participants and utterly inscrutable to outsiders.
Reporters attempting to discern the conflict have taken to describing the competing factions as “conservatives” (the far-right members opposed to Kevin McCarthy’s bid for Speaker of the House) and “moderates” (the much larger faction of Republicans loyal to him). But these labels do very little to clarify the strange mania devouring the House Republican caucus. If you define conservative in traditional terms — meaning loyal to the conservative movement of Goldwater and Reagan and opposed, in principle, to any new taxation or social-welfare benefits — the entire Republican caucus is composed of conservatives. McCarthy’s loyalists aren’t moderates and don’t describe themselves as such.
Indeed, the division has barely any real ideological content at all. What Republicans are fighting over is whether to accept the limits of sharing power.
One of the key differences between the two major parties is that Democrats accept the reality that their agenda is not going to move forward when the opposing party occupies the White House. Democratic partisans might grow angry at their leaders for failing to stop it, but members of Congress generally understand that there are limits to the power of the opposition, and even the most unrealistic Democratic rank-and-file voters don’t expect their leaders to actively advance liberal policy in the face of a Republican president. Progressive Democrats wanted to defend Obamacare from Donald Trump’s repeal attempt. They weren’t demanding that Nancy Pelosi somehow force Trump to enact Medicare for All.
Republican voters, by contrast, expect and demand that the conservative agenda be advanced even — perhaps especially — under Democratic presidents. The Republican caucus is routinely gripped by frenzied efforts to compel Democratic presidents to roll back the welfare state. Newt Gingrich shut down the government to pressure Bill Clinton to sign a capital-gains tax cut and reductions to Medicaid and Medicare. Republicans used both shutdowns and the debt ceiling to try to blackmail Barack Obama into repealing his signature health-care plan.
This is why Democrats tend to splinter when they hold power but unify in opposition while the reverse holds true for Republicans. Democratic demands expand when the party holds full control of government and contract in opposition. Republican aspirations paradoxically become more grandiose during Democratic presidencies, which draw Republican minds deeper into the fever swamps of hysteria, making them more insistent on demands for maximal confrontation. These demands are inevitably impossible, causing Republicans to turn, again and again, against their own leaders.
By way of illustration, take this op-ed by Representative Bob Good, one of the anti-McCarthy rebels. “We must elect a speaker who will utilize the power of the purse as leverage to restore fiscal sanity and defund the government tyranny we campaign against,” he writes. “For the good of the Republican conference, for the good of Congress and for the good of the country, let’s hope Republican leaders will listen to the will of their constituents and vote for transformational change on Jan. 3.”
Good believes that the Biden administration is imposing “government tyranny” and that the House will somehow bring it to an end through a funding agreement with the Biden administration. He believes the House should be a venue for “transformational change.” Many political activists and candidates have called for transformational change, but only on the right wing is it considered normal to expect this to happen while the other party controls the presidency.
Or consider this statement by Citizens for Renewing America executive director Wade Miller and reported in the conservative Daily Caller:
Kevin McCarthy is the essence of the uniparty swamp, where two parties pretend to oppose each other, offer show votes to demonstrate theoretical differences of opinion, but then always work together to advance and fund the woke and weaponized government leviathan that is leading the way in destroying our communities through the direct funding of incremental cultural Marxism.The putative complaint against McCarthy’s leadership is that he advanced “incremental cultural Marxism” through government funding. Of course, no such thing exists, which means McCarthy has no way to redress the complaint. The far right is angry about the Biden administration’s continued existence and wishes to blame the leadership for this fact.
Because this anger has no productive channel, it returns again and again in the form of internal recriminations. The House caucus during Democratic presidencies for the last quarter-century has been an endless procession of coup attempts. Gingrich was deposed for failing in his holy mission of forcing Clinton to slash government. John Boehner and Paul Ryan were driven into retirement. The House Republican caucus will be a cauldron of rage, because the party, at its core, does not believe it should be forced to share power.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023...-congress.html
Absolute shit show embarrassment taking place. The peoples business literally being held hostage in the name of hunger for power and more tv time. Sign of things to come from these clowns being entrusted with power and responsibility completely in over their heads.
Trump made an ass out of himself by insisting on that joker Mccarthy. It looks like the Corporate Uni-Party at this point. George Carlin was right..... "it's a big club, and you ain't in it".Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
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Originally Posted by Spicoli
This is good. From a former GOP political consultant, the next two years:
https://resolutesquare.com/articles/...kevin-mccarthy
The debt ceiling vote is going to be fun.
Once the crazy wing of the House GOP start using some new terrorist tactic it just becomes normalised. They're from now on going to vote to block anything they don't like in the future and to hell with the consequence. What happens in 2024 if Biden wins and Trump or whoever the 2024 cult leader is says the election was stolen? 132 of these fuckers voted against certifying Biden's election last time, lots of relative moderates have retired and been replaced by crazies so if the GOP still control the House after the 2024 elections there's no way they're going to certify a Biden win which means he legally cannot stay in office.
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Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
This is good. From a former GOP political consultant, the next two years:
https://resolutesquare.com/articles/...kevin-mccarthy
The debt ceiling vote is going to be fun.
Once the crazy wing of the House GOP start using some new terrorist tactic it just becomes normalised. They're from now on going to vote to block anything they don't like in the future and to hell with the consequence. What happens in 2024 if Biden wins and Trump or whoever the 2024 cult leader is says the election was stolen? 132 of these fuckers voted against certifying Biden's election last time, lots of relative moderates have retired and been replaced by crazies so if the GOP still control the House after the 2024 elections there's no way they're going to certify a Biden win which means he legally cannot stay in office.
I'm pretty sure I've expressed this before, but it merits bringing it up again.
Joe Biden will be 82 by the time he takes office were he to win in 2024 (and have none of those roadblocks you mention). Which means he'd be 86 by the time he finished his term.
Is this something the people really want??
I mean... I've heard "80 is the new 60"... but this is ridiculous.
Joe will be OK. I can't lean on Joe. Joe wants the best for the country. 50 years of service in government almost. Joe knows how. We need Joe to stay in there and hang tough or we get Kamala.
fuck it, we can go with PattyQuote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
https://www.yahoo.com/news/sen-patty...132015431.html
Mentally Trump is about 8 years old... So swings and roundabouts (:Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
This is good. From a former GOP political consultant, the next two years:
https://resolutesquare.com/articles/...kevin-mccarthy
The debt ceiling vote is going to be fun.
Once the crazy wing of the House GOP start using some new terrorist tactic it just becomes normalised. They're from now on going to vote to block anything they don't like in the future and to hell with the consequence. What happens in 2024 if Biden wins and Trump or whoever the 2024 cult leader is says the election was stolen? 132 of these fuckers voted against certifying Biden's election last time, lots of relative moderates have retired and been replaced by crazies so if the GOP still control the House after the 2024 elections there's no way they're going to certify a Biden win which means he legally cannot stay in office.
I'm pretty sure I've expressed this before, but it merits bringing it up again.
Joe Biden will be 82 by the time he takes office were he to win in 2024 (and have none of those roadblocks you mention). Which means he'd be 86 by the time he finished his term.
Is this something the people really want??
I mean... I've heard "80 is the new 60"... but this is ridiculous.
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Uhh... who are you, and what have you done with Brock?
McCarthy's first move is to repeal the 87,000 new IRS agents. Very good move
https://youtu.be/cY2WG1cbHIE