Kevin McCarthy being elected Speaker of the US House of Representatives was very embarrassing for the Republicans and shows how divided they are on Trump. :)
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Kevin McCarthy being elected Speaker of the US House of Representatives was very embarrassing for the Republicans and shows how divided they are on Trump. :)
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Originally Posted by Master
https://www.yahoo.com/news/joe-rogan...100445516.html
"Joe Rogan said 'the morons had a king' with Donald Trump during a podcast episode"
Joe Rogan said that "the morons had a king" with former President Donald Trump.
Rogan has previously been dismissive of the former president despite Trump's positive words about him.
Rogan made the comment while speaking to Barstool Sports founder Dave Portnoy about politics.
Podcaster Joe Rogan said that "the morons had a king" with former President Donald Trump.
Rogan commented on a Thursday episode of the Joe Rogan Experience podcast while speaking to Barstool Sports founder Dave Portnoy about politics.
The pair discussed newly sworn-in Republican Rep. George Santos, who has generated controversy after reports revealed he fabricated vast swaths of his resume while campaigning.
Rogan said there would be more candidates like Santos in the future and that politics is a "gross, compromised world."
"I mean, who the fuck is gonna sign off on getting rid of all the special interest groups, getting rid of all the lobbyists? No one. So it's like, that's why it was fascinating to see a guy like Trump getting to power because he was such an outsider," Rogan said in a clip published by Mediaite.
Portnoy agreed and said that the political establishment didn't know how to react to Trump as he behaved in a way they did not expect.
"And the morons had a king. There's a lot of morons," Rogan said. "And it doesn't matter what he's saying, like, for them, he represents them."
"'He's not perfect, but at least he's real' – like there's that sort of thought process that he played with," Rogan said while imitating a Trump supporter.
"And also people that didn't, they didn't feel represented by someone who was ever in charge. And now this guy is, and it's their guy."
Despite Rogan's popularity in right-wing circles, he has previously been dismissive of Trump and has claimed that he has turned down multiple requests for him to appear on his podcast.
"I'm not a Trump supporter in any way, shape, or form. I've had the opportunity to have him on my show more than once. I've said no every time," Rogan said in July. "I don't want to help him. I'm not interested in helping him."
Rogan has also expressed support for Trump's biggest rival, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, who he said would be a "good president."
Trump has previously spoken positively of Rogan, calling him an "interesting and popular guy" and defending him following controversy about the podcast host's past use of the N-word.
Wow.
I've never been a Joe Rogan fan... but I've always assumed he was a big Trump fan. I guess not. ;D :cool:
This part:
"And it doesn't matter what he's saying, like, for them, he represents them."
"'He's not perfect, but at least he's real' – like there's that sort of thought process that he played with," Rogan said while imitating a Trump supporter.
"And also people that didn't, they didn't feel represented by someone who was ever in charge. And now this guy is, and it's their guy."
I mean the guy minces no words. ;D It never mattered what he said or how he said it. His fans felt they were being represented.
That speaks volumes in a way that many of us have always believed... but maybe haven't articulated very well.
It makes sense. Once you get people to believe you're representing them... you basically have a blank check to do and say just about ANYTHING. Trump knew this, which is why the infamous quote about shooting someone in the middle of 5th Avenue.
It is not something the people really want. It is however the situation the people have. What are you going to do? Pretty bad for the Democratic party that ancient Joe Biden is the best possible option for 2024 but there you have it. If his health holds up he'll be running.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
This is good. From a former GOP political consultant, the next two years:
https://resolutesquare.com/articles/...kevin-mccarthy
The debt ceiling vote is going to be fun.
Once the crazy wing of the House GOP start using some new terrorist tactic it just becomes normalised. They're from now on going to vote to block anything they don't like in the future and to hell with the consequence. What happens in 2024 if Biden wins and Trump or whoever the 2024 cult leader is says the election was stolen? 132 of these fuckers voted against certifying Biden's election last time, lots of relative moderates have retired and been replaced by crazies so if the GOP still control the House after the 2024 elections there's no way they're going to certify a Biden win which means he legally cannot stay in office.
I'm pretty sure I've expressed this before, but it merits bringing it up again.
Joe Biden will be 82 by the time he takes office were he to win in 2024 (and have none of those roadblocks you mention). Which means he'd be 86 by the time he finished his term.
Is this something the people really want??
I mean... I've heard "80 is the new 60"... but this is ridiculous.
Why is it a good move?Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
It seems Donald Trump is still the biggest power in the GOP:
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1611625510274011136
Also,
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1608885505529380866
Turns out it was $750 after all. The fake news New York Times somehow managed to publish something true when they got hold of Trump's tax returns years ago. How about that.
Tron Veinticuatro
Two studies here that the GOP preventing the IRS returning to 1990s staffing levels, changing their mission from auditing low/no income benefit claimants to auditing rich tax cheats and going after the one trillion with a t dollars in tax evasion that happens every year will cost the country money rather than increase revenue. So the first thing the GOP intend to do is to siginificantly increase the deficit:
https://twitter.com/RichardRubinDC/s...37584420265999
https://twitter.com/MarcGoldwein/sta...22432740352030
As far as I know both the House and Senate would have to agree to cancel this spending so I think the IRS still get their money. So it looks like this is a messaging bill to show their donors they're doing what they get paid to do.
The new GOP comes into view:
https://twitter.com/fdwilkinson/stat...10835858890752
and this is good. This is apparently part of a three or four page secret addendum to the stuff McCarthy agreed to to become Speaker:
JUST NOW: The new House rules would:-enable the GOP to defund a criminal investigation into Trump.-defund Office of Congressional Ethics.-enable a Republican being investigated by FBI to investigate the investigators investigating him.I'm voting NO on the rules package.
https://twitter.com/RitchieTorres/st...94789723013122
If this was Obama or Biden trying to block ongoing criminal investigations into themselves I'm sure we'd be hearing about it for years afterwards. I wonder how much media coverage this is going to get.
In some ways however the new GOP is exactly the same as the old GOP:
https://twitter.com/WHCOS/status/1612497805385338888
As we discussed before seventy six percent of all government spending is social insurance (Social Security), health insurance (Medicare) and the military. The American government is effectively an insurance company with an army. These parts of government are massively popular. Sixty plus percent of Republican voters, of Trump supporters want to increase SS and Medicare spending, not cut it, and of course Trump ran twice on not cutting these programmes. But the people who fund the GOP hate paying taxes and want to scrap both programmes and turn them into private programmes they can invest in and control. So the GOP are in a position where the only actual significant legislation/policy they support is cutting/eventually ending these massively popular programmes. Which is why you get culture war bullshit turned up to eleven from them nonstop to try and deflect from the actual concrete stuff they want to do. The GOP mullet -- culture war at the front, trickle down at the back.
Why is it a good move?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingWhy is it a good move?Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
WASHINGTON — A divided House voted on Tuesday to launch a wide-ranging investigation into federal law enforcement and national security agencies, as Republicans promised to use their new power in Congress to scrutinize what they said was a concerted effort by the government to silence and punish conservatives at all levels, from protesters at school board meetings to former President Donald J. Trump.
On a party-line vote of 221 to 211 with all Democrats opposed, the House approved the formation of the Select Subcommittee on the Weaponization of the Federal Government, which is to be chaired by Representative Jim Jordan, Republican of Ohio, the incoming chairman of the Judiciary Committee and a staunch ally of Mr. Trump.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/10/u...overnment.html
The irony here is that setting up a McCarthyite committee to investigate legitimate criminal investigations of their cult leader is actual weaponisation of the federal government. This is straight up fascism by the way.
Another committee about to be staffed with the subjects of ongoing criminal investigations. This party is not exactly committed to democratic principles, is it:
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1612894642810552320
January 6th reenactors dealt with correctly:
https://twitter.com/FPWellman/status...72139599777792
I hate the phrase "white privilege" but it sums up the difference in treatment between the two countries quite well.
And after the first vote the GOP took was to defund the tax police we now get this:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hou...ing-income-tax
The "fair tax" would shift the burden of taxation even further off top earners and onto the ninety nine percent. Top earners only spend a fraction of their income so would only pay taxes on that fraction. Everybody else who spend all of almost all of their income would bear the full burden of funding the federal government.
Watched the first of a series called "Giuliani: What Happened to America's Mayor?"
The rest are recorded, and I'll be watching them in the next few days.
I had no idea Rudy Giuliani was a pretty decent human being and great U.S. Attorney back in the day (the '80s). :o
He took on the NYC mob... he took on corrupt Wall Street insider traders... he seemed to be truly a New Yorker for the people.
So yeah... what the HELL happened to that guy, to where he became Trump's personal bitch... groveling in front of the camera with the hair dye running down the side of his face??
Haven't gotten to that part yet... but I know the guy became even MORE popular after 9/11... when he showed a lot of leadership in an incredible crisis.
It's gonna be interesting watching how this plunge from grace unfolded.
Just saw the 2nd of four installments.
It basically chronicles how Giuliani went from being an immensely popular U.S. Attorney... taking on the mob and Wall Street corrupt sleazebags... to finally winning the election for NYC mayor and letting his ego shit all over at least half of his constituents. It portrays him as an egotistical person who likes to surround himself with "yes-men." Hmm... :scratchchin: sounds eerily familiar with a bit of foreshadowing involved. Anyway... he throws himself into solving NYC's crime problem... only to become obsessed with the numbers and neglect the human factor involved. It doesn't help when you dismiss counsel from others who might just know a little more than you. But again... that's the M.O. for a couple of high-profile New Yorkers I can immediately think of.
The next episode will cover 9/11. Can't wait to see it.
Rudy became popular in New York because crime fell dramatically during his time as mayor. But it had already dropped thirty percent by the time he took office and had already done so all over America, in cities with Democratic administrations and Republican administrations. Nobody knew why at the time, lefties said it was due to lefty government policies and righties said it was due to tough on crime policies but that didn't explain uniform drops in crime in areas that had different policing/law enforcement policies. Turns out it was due to taking lead out of gasoline. Lead in gasoline being pumped into the air lead to significant jumps in criminality in heavily populated areas once cars became so prevalent. The world has stopped putting lead into gasoline at different times in different regions around the world and they've had falls in crime all follow the same time patterns as in America. The Middle East was the last region to ban lead in petrol and their crime drop is due to start right around now.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Rudy was an outright racist scumbag as mayor by the way:
It was one of the biggest riots in New York City history.
As many as 10,000 demonstrators blocked traffic in downtown Manhattan on Sept. 16, 1992. Reporters and innocent bystanders were violently assaulted by the mob as thousands of dollars in private property was destroyed in multiple acts of vandalism. The protesters stormed up the steps of City Hall, occupying the building. They then streamed onto the Brooklyn Bridge, where they blocked traffic in both directions, jumping on the cars of trapped, terrified motorists. Many of the protestors were carrying guns and openly drinking alcohol.
Yet the uniformed police present did little to stop them. Why? Because the rioters were nearly all white, off‐duty NYPD officers. They were participating in a Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association demonstration against Mayor David Dinkins’ call for a Civilian Complaint Review Board and his creation earlier that year of the Mollen Commission, formed to investigate widespread allegations of misconduct within the NYPD.
In the center of the mayhem, standing on top of a car while cursing Mayor Dinkins through a bullhorn, was mayoral candidate Rudy Giuliani.
“Beer cans and broken beer bottles littered the streets as Mr. Giuliani led the crowd in chants,” The New York Times reported.
Now, almost 25 years later, Giuliani continues to fan the flames of racial division. The two‐term mayor, who has been a prominent surrogate for presidential candidate Donald Trump and is his likely choice to head the Department of Homeland Security, recently made headlines for condemning the Black Lives Matter protests as being “anti‐American” and arguing that the term itself is “inherently racist.”
But Giuliani has yet to condemn the blatant racism that rippled through the crowd during the 1992 demonstration.
Newsday columnist Jimmy Breslin described the racist conduct in chilling detail:
“The cops held up several of the most crude drawings of Dinkins, black, performing perverted sex acts,” he wrote. “And then, here was one of them calling across the top of his beer can held to his mouth, ‘How did you like the niggers beating you up in Crown Heights?’ ”
The off‐duty cops were referring to a severe beating Breslin suffered while covering the 1991 Crown Heights riots in Brooklyn.
Breslin continued: “Now others began screaming … ‘How do you like what the niggers did to you in Crown Heights?’
“ ‘Now you got a nigger right inside City Hall. How do you like that? A nigger mayor.’
“And they put it right out in the sun yesterday in front of City Hall,” Breslin wrote. “We have a police force that is openly racist …”
Newsday reported on other instances of racial abuse. City Councilwoman Una Clarke, a petite black woman, was blocked from crossing Broadway “by a beer‐drinking, off‐duty police officer who said to his sidekick: ‘This nigger says she’s a member of the City Council.’ ”
Mary Pinkett, another black councilwoman, was trapped on the Brooklyn Bridge as her car was rocked back and forth by off‐duty officers. The two elderly passengers in her car were terrified.
Former NYPD officer and New York state senator Eric Adams, currently serving as Brooklyn’s borough president, told Newsday at the time that the demonstration was “right out of the 1950s: A drunk, racist lynch mob storming City Hall and coming in here to get themselves a nigger.”
https://www.cato.org/commentary/rudy...history-lesson
More here if you're interested:
https://wapo.st/3ivP6EH
The Republican party:
https://twitter.com/Esqueer_/status/1613609765065588740
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...campaign-trail
"Trump says he's 'more angry' than ever as he tries to revive White House bid"
Well, duh! Of course he's angry. Never in history has a POTUS been more soundly rebuffed in a bid for reelection. Never in history has a POTUS been more ridiculed, humiliated, exposed, and just plain dragged through the mud as Trump.
Hell... I'd be angry too. :D :cool:
On a related topic, I keep waiting for the wheels of justice to grind Trump into a pulp and at the very least stop his asinine attempt to run in 2024. What's taking so long?
By the way... saw the last two installments on Rudy Giuliani.
Day-am! What a plunge!
I'd be hard pressed to see a more meteoric rise, followed by such a steep dive. :o
9/11 made temporary heroes out of two men that were unable to keep the momentum going, and plunged back into mediocrity. Giuliani, and George W.
Well... George plunged back to mediocrity and thankfully his time was up in the White House.
Giuliani grabbed on to Trump's coattails and became the biggest buffoon in the history of mankind.
Instead of remembering 9/11 Giuliani... people will now remember "Hair Dye" Giuliani.
Can't feel sorry for someone who suffers self-inflicted wounds.
BTW... still waiting for the wheels of justice to hold both "Hair Dye" and the Orange Orangutan to at least SOME accountability regarding January 6th.
so it's caga now?
Iconic political operative Roger Stone had civil charges dismissed last week in a Washington D.C. court pertaining to a lawsuit blaming Stone for the federally-incited violence that occurred on Jan. 6.
“Judge Amit P. Mehta rightly DISMISSED all counts against me in a civil suit filed by 8 members of the US Capitol Police based on the events of Jan 6 in which I had no involvement beyond the exercise of my First Amendment rights,” Stone told Big League Politics.
All of these guys from Trump on down working together to achieve the alpha and omega of the MAGA movement:Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
https://twitter.com/AshleySchapitl/s...10190285266944
And they did it. Down almost fifty percent! Just turn up the culture war bullshit to eleven and you can get on with the real business of the conservative movement, the thing that makes all those billionaires donate millions of dollars to get compliant politicians like Trump elected.
https://www.mediaite.com/politics/tr...-school-girls/
I wonder how much traction this is going to get. Lots of pictures of Trump with Epstein, Ron could go on the counterattack easily enough. If he ignored it Trump will keep pushing it and then all of a sudden it's a thing.
Pence thinks this will help him get the nomination:
https://twitter.com/HeartlandSignal/...65108495056897
Unbelievable he's actually going with this. The GOP are already backing away from talking about cutting SS and Medicare in the debt limit discussions because they can see how toxic it is for them but Pence thinks it's a winner.
https://theintercept.com/2023/02/05/...s-oren-miller/
Nobody will read this because it's too long but it should end Ron's chances of the nomination if Don makes it a thing. Long story short, a huge retirement community in Florida want to raise taxes on existing residents to fund further development which makes the owners hundreds of millions. Three residents get elected to a local committee and block the taxes, the community owners go to Ron and the state legislature and overrule the committee that way and harass them costing them fortunes in legal fees and one of them ends up in jail. Horrific.
I hate him for Operation Warp Speed, but he wins it in '24
Not good news for Ron:
https://twitter.com/jbarro/status/1623493676235214848
Easy for Biden to run against too. Although if Ron wins the nomination he'll have Trump out campaigning and working every minute to make sure he gets elected so he has that going for him.
In early 2021, as Donald Trump exited the White House, he and his son-in-law Jared Kushner faced unprecedented business challenges. Revenue at Trump’s properties had plummeted during his presidency, and the attack on the U.S. Capitol by his supporters made his brand even more polarizing. Kushner, whose last majorbusiness foray had left his family firm needing a $1.2 billion bailout, faced his own political fallout as a senior Trump aide.
But one ally moved quickly to the rescue.
The day after leaving the White House, Kushner created a company that he transformed months laterinto a private equity firm with $2 billion from a sovereign wealth fund chairedby Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman. Kushner’s firm structured those fundsin sucha way that it did not have to disclose the source, according to previously unreported details of Securities and Exchange Commission forms reviewed by The Washington Post. His business used a commonly employed strategy that allows many equity firms to avoid transparency about funding sources, experts said.
A year after his presidency, Trump’s golf courses began hosting tournaments for the Saudi fund-backed LIV Golf. Separately, the former president’s family company, the Trump Organization,secured an agreement with a Saudi real estate company that plans to build a Trump hotel as part of a $4 billion golf resort in Oman.
The substantial investments by the Saudis in enterprises that benefited both mencame after they cultivated close ties with Mohammed while Trump was in office — helping the crown prince’s standing by scheduling Trump’s first presidential trip to Saudi Arabia, backing him amid numerous international crises and meeting with him repeatedly in D.C. and the kingdom, including on a finaltrip Kushner took to Saudi Arabia on the eve of the Jan. 6, 2021, attack.
New details about their relationship have emerged in recently published memoirs, as well as accounts in congressional testimony and interviews by The Post with former senior White House officials.Those revelations include Kushner’s writtenaccount of persuading Trumpto prioritize Saudi Arabia over the objections of top advisers and a former secretary of state’s assertion in a book that Trump believed the prince “owed” him.
They also underscore the crucial nature of Trump’s admission that he “saved” Mohammed in the wake of the CIA’s finding that the crown prince ordered the killing or capture of Post contributing opinion columnist Jamal Khashoggi.
[...]
Kushner, meanwhile, faced potentialdifficulties because of both his association with Trump and his own failings. Kushner’s family company had already required a bailout in 2018 from a Canadian firm because of his decision to buy a$1.8 billion office building in New York.An ongoing congressional investigation
is looking into whether the bailout was partially financed by Qatar’s sovereign wealth fund. Now, despite having no experience running a private equity fund, Kushner was in search of billions of dollars for his new venture.
Saudi Arabia, however, soon invested in both men.
The day after the Trump administration ended, Kushner created a company called A Fin Managementand used that as a springboard tocreate a private equity fund later that yearcalled Affinity Partners. Such fundstypically use investor money to buy into emerging companies.
Kushner has not said when he first sought $2 billion from the Saudi’s Public Investment Fund. The four members of a five-person panel of the fund’s advisers who attended a meeting about the matter were “not in favor” of the investment, citing Kushner’s inexperience in private equity and the fact that the Saudis would bear most of the risk, the New York Times reported, citing confidential minutes of the panel’s meeting in June 2021 that have not been made public.
Shortly after that meeting, however, Mohammed led the full board in approving the investment, according to the Times report.
https://wapo.st/3Xzfufb
The link will get you past the paywall.
Long story short from that second excerpt; Kushner took over the Kushner Company billion dollar family real estate firm from his dad and immediately made a real estate deal that was almost twice the size of the firm's worth and turned out to be the single worst real estate deal in history. For the Kushner family anyway, not the counterparty who are still laughing heartily about it every day. Kushner had basically bankrupted the family firm and left them in debt. If Trump hadn't won and he hadn't suddenly got this huge bailout from Qatar he'd be bankrupt now.
Even the Saudis in charge of their sovereign wealth fund knew this deal stunk but they got overruled by the bonesaw guy. It'll be interesting to see how much coverage this gets in the liberal media versus how much coverage Hunter Biden gets over the next couple of years.
Dominion voting machine company are suing Fox News for various stuff, not least putting the lives of their employees at risk with their election denying bullshit. They've been through discovery so have had access to internal Fox communications. This is some of the stuff that has just been made public:
Attachment 6106
Attachment 6107
Attachment 6108
Attachment 6109
GOP 2024 primary latest. And what a bunch of fucking idiots these people are:
First up, Pence:
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/mike-pen...y-on-fox-news/
As we discussed before SS works like insurance that you might buy for your car for instance. Workers pay in, retirees get paid out, same thing every year. If suddenly you allow people to pay into private (Wall Street) schemes like Pence wants, who funds current retirees? It would have to be the government. So his brilliant idea is trillions of dollars of extra debt to deal with the problem of too much debt. This is just basically the same GOP shilling for Wall Street that Bush tried in 2005. And he thinks this will help him win a primary where the primary voters are middle aged or older. What a tit.
Also, too, from the article:
The last time this happened was after World War II, and the only way we got over it was through sound economic policies and a postwar booming economy. Now we literally have a paralysis in Washington, D.C. that says we’re never even going to talk about reforming 70% of the federal budget.
I agree with him that you can only grow your way out of debt problems and the evidence in every industrialised country over the last hundred years proves it. So why is he advocating cuts exactly? Cuts have a hundred year record of being shown not to work.
Also, sound economic policies like a ninety percent top rate of tax and very high levels of union membership? Is he advocating a return to all the 1950s era policies that were designed to produce equitable income distribution? What about 1950s era levels of regulation for his pals on Wall Street? It's a shame he wasn't asked. And it's 76 percent of the budget.
Next up, Chris Christie:
https://puck.news/the-chris-christie...ce=customer.io
I can't even be bothered to see the free article. What a fucking moron.
Next up, Haley:
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1626047278359142400
Finally:
https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/s...34904000610306
The election was fixed. You still deny it?
The election was not fixed you are in denial.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
Not even a nice try. A very half hearted effort here. Even somebody with the critical thought capability of an apricot can work this one out, can't you.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
Got to say I'm shocked at the radio silence from America's media critics over the last couple of days. I would have thought people like Elon who are on a mission to bring accuracy back to the media would be outraged that a major media company knowingly deceived their viewers because they were terrified of losing their viewers. It turns out every major Fox News personality was aware that the election wasn't stolen but they pretended it was on air because they were terrified of losing their viewers and the income that goes with them. I'm amazed there's so little coverage going on. I wonder how all those people who are getting prison sentences for January 6th feel about it.
Look what they were saying on air when they knew it was all bullshit:
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1626724109303402497
One reporter went and fact checked some of the bullshit on air and Tucker Carlson wanted her fired for doing so:
Dominion Voting Systems is suing Fox News for broadcasting lies that its machines rigged the 2020 election. Dominion obtained internal Fox News communications that reveal the network’s complete awareness that conspiracy theories targeting Dominion were false, along with a belief that they had to be given some measure of deference anyway in order to avoid alienating the network’s audience.
Dominion’s objective in its filing is to establish a legal standard of actual malice that would allow it to obtain damages from Fox News, specifically that the network’s employees were “recklessly negligent in failing to check the accuracy of their coverage,” according to the New York Times. (Fox News accuses Dominion of cherry-picking messages.)But what is more interesting to the rest of us is what the filing reveals about Fox News’ ethics.
The election result created a crisis for Fox News. Its journalists understood that Joe Biden won the election without having relied on vote fraud. Even Tucker Carlson understood full well that the conspiracy theories about election-stealing software were nonsense. “The software shit is absurd Half our viewers have seen the Maria clip,” he texted November 8, referring to a positive interview Maria Bartiromo gave to Sidney Powell.
But as the result unfurled, Fox News staff began to complain that its audience was departing. The day after Fox called the election for Biden, Rupert Murdoch wrote to CEO Suzanne Scott, “Getting creamed by CNN! Guess our viewers don’t want to watch it.” Fox senior vice-president for corporate communications Irena Briganti wrote on the evening of November 7, “Our viewers left this week after AZ.”
The most distraught figure was Carlson. “Do the executives understand how much credibility and trust we’ve lost with our audience?” he texted his producer. “We’re playing with fire, for real … an alternative like Newsmax could be devastating to us.”
On November 9, he told Scott, “I’ve never seen a reaction like this, to any media company. Kills me to watch it.”
In the following days, Carlson and his colleagues began to fixate on the financial risk the network faced if a rival competitor such as Newsmax stole its audience by catering more directly to election-fraud claims they knew to be false.
In a group text, Sean Hannity wrote to Carlson and Laura Ingraham on November 12: “In one week and one debate they destroyed a brand that took 25 years to build and the damage is incalculable.” Carlson replied, “It’s vandalism.” Contemplating a potential rival conservative network, Hannity mused, “Serious $$ with serious distribution could be a real problem. Imho they need to address but wtf do I know.” Carlson replied, “That could happen.”
Later that night, Carlson pointed Hannity to a tweet by Fox reporter Jacqui Heinrich, which fact-checked a tweet by Trump that mentioned Dominion voting conspiracy theories. “There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised,” she wrote.
“Please get her fired,” Carlson texted Hannity and Ingraham. “Seriously … What the fuck? I’m actually shocked. It needs to stop immediately, like tonight. It’s measurably hurting the company. The stock price is down. Not a joke.”
You can imagine Carlson making the shocked face he uses on television to recount the horrifying realization that a news colleague had stated something he knew to be true. Because it would hurt the stock price.
Carlson and Hannity assured each other that they had both gone to management with complaints that Heinrich had put Fox News’ business model at risk by correcting a false claim by Trump. “I just went crazy on Meade over it,” Carlson wrote, referring to an executive named Meade Cooper. Hannity replied that he “already sent to Suzanne with a really?”
Heinrich, according to the Times, deleted her offending tweet, though she posted a nearly identical fact-check of Trump afterwards.
Carlson’s motivation in remaking himself from a respected and skilled features writer into a white-nationalist demagogue has long been the subject of curiosity. Unlike many of his colleagues, who are widely seen as legitimate morons, Carlson has (or at least had) enough intelligence to see through the rank propaganda he peddles every night. The Dominion internal communications go a long way toward putting the mystery to rest.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023...ted-trump.html
In one set of messages revealed in the court filing, Carlson texted Ingraham, saying that Sidney Powell, an attorney who was representing the Trump campaign, was “lying” and that he had “caught her” doing so. Ingraham responded, “Sidney is a complete nut. No one will work with her. Ditto with Rudy [Giuliani].”
The messages also revealed that Rupert Murdoch, the chairman of Fox Corporation, did not believe Trump’s election lies and even floated the idea of having Carlson, Hannity, and Ingraham appear together in prime time to declare Joe Biden as the rightful winner of the election.
Such an act, Murdoch said, “Would go a long way to stop the Trump myth that the election stolen."
[...]
Despite what appeared on air, Fox News executives and hosts privately criticized the Trump camp for pushing claims of election fraud, the messages showed. Hannity even said Giuliani was “acting like an insane person” and Ingraham described him as “an idiot.” Rupert Murdoch said it was “really bad” that Giuliani was advising Trump.
The court filing also revealed that Fox News executives had criticized some of the network’s top talent behind the scenes. Jay Wallace, the network president, said that “the North Koreans” did a “more nuanced show” than then-host Lou Dobbs. Jerry Andrews, the executive producer of “Justice with Judge Jeanine,” referred to host Jeanine Pirro as “nuts.”
Some beautiful quotes in that story.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/16/media...nts/index.html
https://twitter.com/willsommer/statu...96012024586240
Another journalist punished for telling the truth:
https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/s...06178736558083
https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/s...03931118096386
https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/s...00575649710080
This shit is the basis for about half the claims of election fraud. Some fucking nutcase who believes they can time travel:
https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/...88877366755329
And these shameful motherfuckers put this garbage on air because they were terrified of losing their viewers to Newsmax.
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1628584158376124418
Another contender. This guy has an uplifting everybody-come-together message which is diametrically opposed to the GOP base who want a culture warrior to slay the libs. He's basically running for vice president here. Same with Haley although she has the potential to be Kamala Harris bad at running for office. This guy looks like a safe pair of hands. Odds on for a VP pick whoever wins the nomination.
https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/statu...42683979051008
Fox News really going after Trump here. There's no way they'd ever mention anything against deregulation if it wasn't damaging for Trump.
Really this stuff about better safety standards for rail companies transporting toxic chemicals is just a bunch of communists trying to destroy job creating businessmen who are struggling to make a profit after being buried under mountains of job killing regulation:
https://twitter.com/GunnelsWarren/st...81605371551745
Ron on Russia. Scroll up:
https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status...34347586408468
Ron's latest bullshit publicity stunt:
https://twitter.com/RonDeSantisFL/st...10668966096896
I'm synthesising numbers here from a bunch of places: New York has far lower levels of all types of violent crime and a three hundred and something percent higher burglary rate. 330 murders last year in the biggest five Florida cities with a population of two million and 400 murders in nine million people in the five NY boroughs. If NYC had the crime of urban Florida people would lose their minds. Ron can get away with this garbage because conservative voters are never going to hear the facts from conservative media. Or even regular media to a large extent. This type of stunt should have at least some media (accurately) describing it for what it is rather than just reporting what he said. Instead you get this:
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/vide...-york-97337779
Another Fox News video:
https://twitter.com/mehdirhasan/stat...59139291459585
On the derailment issue.
Railroad lobbyists pushing for the elimination of rules to make train brakes safer. Ahh... lobbyists. Just below fungi in the strata of life forms. Performing one of those "necessary evils" protected by the U.S. Constitution... but inevitably abused for the benefit of the rich and powerful, and to the detriment of the poor bastards affected by resulting asinine decisions.
In an ideal society, something as critical as brake systems on trains would be exempt from any debate... and if it's too expensive and cuts into your profit, then do what everybody else does and pass along the cost down the consumer chain.
In 2023... to be talking about deadly train derailments (with toxic chemical spills involved) because of unpassed legislation regarding safer braking systems is... dare I say... third-wordly.
There is endless regulation that could be cut to boost competition and economic growth. But those regulations are never cut, just added to because the big businesses and corporations that can afford lobbyists want that regulation to impose barriers to prevent small and medium size businesses getting bigger and eventually competing with them. The regulations that the GOP cuts are these kind of regulations that eat into corporate profits. Another liberal media failure is not explaining this to the public with endless endless possible examples.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
And in my previous post it looks like New York has a three hundred percent higher burglary rate than Florida. It's the other way around.
Got this wrong. Florida three hundred percent higher burglary rate. Actually two eighty something percent but close enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Meanwhile, in Today's Circus Daily...
https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-bu...l?guccounter=1
Seems like MTG is moving up in the world. :D :throwup:
Not to mention the politicians descending on the poor people of East Palestine, Ohio... who apparently haven't suffered enough... and must now be subjected to cheeky finger-pointing.
Which by the way includes Trump... who predictably has the unmitigated gall to show his face and do his own finger-pointing.
Can't stop marveling at the irony of Trump's "third-world" comments about other places, in light of what happened on January 6th 2021... and just the whole ball of SHIT since Trump became President in 2016.
Take Tron over Potato any day.
But Jo trumps them both.
I meant to put this here instead of the PC thread.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/...003309918.html
Bryan Cranston on the 'Make America Great Again' slogan: 'Do you accept that that could possibly be construed as a racist remark?'
Of course the slogan itself isn't racist. Everyone knows that.
But I think most people get the message. He makes some good points. Give that man a beer.
Former President Donald Trump holds gargantuan leads over his Republican rivals in a new poll, beating Florida Governor Ron DeSantis (R) by 30 points in a full field, and crushing former South Carolina Governor and Trump UN Ambassador Nikki Haley by 61 points in another matchup.
It was not long ago that many analysts were writing political obituaries for Trump in the wake of a chaotic Speaker of the House election and post-midterm soul-searching. Since then, DeSantis has soft-launched his presidential campaign and Haley officially launched hers.
But those developments have not only failed to make a dent in Trump, recent polls show he stands to steamroll the Republican field — none more so than a new Emerson College poll that shows Trump almost doubling DeSantis:
https://www.mediaite.com/news/new-po...t-nikki-haley/
Surely it shows him more than doubling Ron.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3CYOGFMe1o&ab_channel=LedZeppelin
Ron is fighting back though. He's started to wear lifts. You can tell he's definitely going to run from this:
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/s...06966100328451
Here is Ron without the Louboutins:
https://patch.com/img/cdn20/users/71...jpg?width=1200
That rules out Trump telling him onstage that he's this cycle's Jeb Bush but a foot shorter. Unless he wants to get into an argument about which one of them is wearing the bigger lifts.
Which reminds me:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...-oriented.html
GOP primary voters want an insurgent candidate, a guy who will wreck both the Republican and Democratic establishments. Difficult to do that when you've already been prez and have a track record but the GOP along with their media are making it easy for Don by uniting behind Ron like this. Trump can paint him as the establishment candidate and himself as the candidate the establishment is terrified by and for once he's actually telling the truth.
Haley flopped before she even got out of the barn by not confronting the 800lb gorilla in the room when asked. With apparently no desire to do so. CPAC currently is in open divide and is Congress. Eventually the Repubs are going to relearn how to punch each other in the nose again and get off their knees. Maybe I'm off my rocker but if ever there was a window for third party its current elections. Trump and his 33 percent bubble wrap will remain the drunk yelling from the backseat big picture wise. You do not erase or ignore "terminate parts of the Constitution".
the constitution is ignored dailyQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli