Chris Cuomo, Tucker Carlson, Don Lemon...
The media is still horribly biased, but good on them for cleaning house a little.
Rachel Maddow should probably follow shortly.
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Chris Cuomo, Tucker Carlson, Don Lemon...
The media is still horribly biased, but good on them for cleaning house a little.
Rachel Maddow should probably follow shortly.
And firing Такер Карлсон is the way to break off the biggest splinter. He's the pro insurrection, pro autocracy, pro Russia, great replacement theory guy on Fox. He's giving the MAGA base what they want to hear even though his own texts and emails show he knows it's bullshit and he hates Trump. This is a big risk for Murdoch. He's got rid of a crazy conspiracy guy who got huge ratingsQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingNo matter what came out at a trial Fox viewers are going to stick with Fox so long as Fox keep giving them their daily dose of anger heroin. The only way Fox lose their audience is if they start telling them the truth.Quote:
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I think Fox got off easy. Dominion should've held their feet to the fire.
The biggest judgement ever in a defamation case was about $220 million. But then it was vacated on appeal and the people on the hook, Dow Jones newspapers didn't have to pay a dollar of the award. This is something Dominion were well aware of. Even if they'd won a billion dollar judgement then it stood s huge chance of being drastically reduced or quashed entirely by a higher court, and as you go up the appeals system in America the courts get more and more pro corporate/big business/big guy over the little guy culminating in the Supreme Court which is comically so. Dominion is owned by a private equity firm. It has revenues, not profits, of about a hundred million dollars a year and profits of a few million. The total value of every asset the private equity fund own is less than a billion dollars, so this judgement basically doubled their net worth overnight. There was no way they could turn it down.
It would have been nice to have six weeks of bombshells about what was going on behind the scenes at Fox but it wouldn't have made any difference. People who aren't Fox viewers are looking at it and thinking what they're thinking. Fox viewers, to the extent they're hearing anything from conservative media by and large don't want to know about it or think about it. They need their safe space, media that will tell them what they want to hear regardless of reality so they don't want to hear anything bad about Fox. They need a source of new they can trust to lie to them. Fox can only lose them by telling them the truth which is how they ended up having to pay out what will eventually be a couple of billion dollars, because when they started telling them the truth about the election the viewers deserted them for Newsmax and One America and Fox had to start lying about Dominion and other shit to get them to come back.
I know Dominion's gotta do what's best for Dominion... and good for them. Plus if what you say is true about the higher courts and how they side with big business... it probably wasn't worth the risk. You never can tell how courts are going to rule in specific cases... but again, can't fault Dominion for taking the money.
But... I'm gonna have to disagree on your take on what viewers on both sides would've reacted like, had Fox been dragged over the coals on this one.
We both are of similar mindsets when it comes to the American public, for the most part. All I gotta do is think about the fanbases of aliens like MTG, Boebert, Graham, and others... to see that many people are beyond hope when it comes to rational thought. But in an ideal situation where Fox's lies had been laid bare for all to see... I'm sorry. Even the most moronic of fanatical zombies would've had something stir in their minds. Yes... I still remember when Sean Spicer said with a straight face that Trump's inaugural crowd was larger than Obama's... so I'm well aware of some people's ability to look at a white wall and insist that it's black. But DAMN... an ideal situation judicial process, where Fox's blatant lies were exposed over and over again... and judgments were handed down... that's the sort of reality you just can't wish away.
I say all that... then visions pop into my mind where some GOP lawmakers insisted on live television that January 6th had been a peaceful stroll to the Capitol. :vd:
So although I'm arguing a point... my heart's not entirely IN it. ;D
All we can hope for is that Smartmatic's lawsuit goes as well (or better) than Dominion's... and that Fox News can be damaged beyond repair. Meanwhile... some of Trump's high profile Minions like Giuliani, and that clown with the pillow company can get raked over the coals as well.
Gotta spread the love. :cool:
This is the only polling I've seen on it and nothing else shows up via google:
https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/fox...st-1235554399/
Of the Fox viewers who even know about the court case and the leaked texts and emails only about a fifth of them trust Fox less. But that's now. In a few months this will all be ancient history, Fox will have come up with some new culture war shit, another CRT or tranny swimmer or something that really grabs their audience and lets them know Fox covers the issues they want covering in the way that they want covering and they're back to a hundred percent trust again. All the current Dominion/Smartmatic stuff will be water under the bridge.
It gives me no pleasure to say that you're 100 percent correct.
It's a real problem when a significant chunk of the country is so radicalised that they'd support anything, even political violence, if it means that their side is in power. Fox led the way with radicalising these people but the advent of the internet made it inevitable. If it hadn't been Murdoch and Fox it would have been somebody else. Now there's this huge chunk of permanently angry polarised radicalised people who are going to be a permanent ongoing threat to democracy. If Fox even tried to dial down the crazy these people will just go elsewhere and probably splinter between even crazier media outlets. Fox are stuck in a room with the Frankenstein monster they created.
https://civicpolicy.com/wp-content/u...eck_Tides1.jpg
https://www.cjrarchive.org/img/posts...beck_tides.png
before but that was before Trump. Now the entire GOP base is primed to believe all manner of crazy shit and Карлсон could easily splinter a chunk of it off if he goes to Newsmax or similar or sets his own streaming thing up. It'll be interesting to see what happens with Fox ratings and whatever Карлсон does next. In the meantime Murdoch sacked his biggest ratings guy and his backroom staff so there's a clear message to the rest of the Fox people to stay away from the overtly crazy stuff. I have to say I'm surprised at the whole episode. I think there's a good chance there's something significant behind the sacking we don't know about.
They could do Crossfire.Quote:
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In other Trump news Georgia indictments are coming in July:
https://www.gpb.org/news/2023/04/24/...ll-come-summer
and there's no way she puts out an all hands on deck advisory to law enforcement about potential unrest if it's just a bunch of nonentities being charged. Trump is going to be indicted here.
Trump latest:
Mandatory stop-and-frisk. Deploying the military to fight street crime, break up gangs and deport immigrants. Purging the federal workforce and charging leakers.
Former president Donald Trump has steadily begun outlining his vision for a second-term agenda, focusing on unfinished business from his time in the White House and an expansive vision for how he would wield federal power. In online videos and stump speeches, Trump is pledging to pick up where his first term left off and push even further.
Where he earlier changed border policies to reduce refugees and people seeking asylum, he’s now promising to conduct an unprecedented deportation operation. Where he previously moved to make it easier to fire federal workers, he’s now proposing a new civil service exam. After urging state and local officials to take harsher measures on crime and homelessness, Trump says he is now determined to take more direct federal action.
https://wapo.st/443fyIs
Tucker Carlson gone ?
https://media.tenor.com/3QgxyWqo68MA...oure-fired.gif
MAGAs are on suicide watch.
You see, Tucker Carlson has never needed a job. Never in his life. He is the heir to the Swanson frozen TV dinner company fortune. And that is exactly why he is a chaos-loving white extremeist c*nt who desperately wanted to be a television personality so he could spread extreme right-wing propaganda to try and get crazies out there to hurt innocent people.
His parents could afford to send him to rich kid school. But there was nothing they could do about what happened next.
"My dad owns a bank!"
"My dad owns an oil company!"
"Oh yeah? Check this out. My dad owns... a frozen TV dinner company."
https://gifdb.com/images/thumbnail/g...loqdyygzry.gif
"HEY EVERYBODY! FROZEN TV DINNER MONEY OVER HERE!"
https://media.tenor.com/LWS9LBRgT2YAAAAC/haha-laugh.gif
And that was the moment lil Tucky decided to spend the rest of his life on demon time. He tries so hard.....SO HARD to do that Jordan Peterson thing of trying to come across as this real stoic, serious white man.
He's always been about getting revenge on "the elites" whose children mocked him and wouldn't accept him as real money. Tucker dedicated his life to worming his way into television's good graces so he could host his own opinion show. Then he finally got it.
I’m from the UK and he’s well known here. In fact him getting fired was on BBC News. FOX have gone to great lengths to make sure that all of their news content is free to read online, and Fox News is available on every cable or satellite provider in most of the most basic packages, and usually at a relatively low channel number.
That shyt matters.
But now he'll claim ideological martyr status for being shouted down by the so called libs and lefties and “the woke mob” in the public square and pretend that marginalized trash are actually hidden gems of knowledge only him and his followers can see.
Honestly ? I wouldn’t rule out an election run
If I had to guess, he flew to close to the fkkery sun with his show being too far right wing, they figured this was easier than him talking them into another future lawsuit. But I'm not celebrating. It's like Piers Morgan - he's only gonna leave and spew his racist bullshyt on another platform and still get paid millions
It's telling that they didn't even give him a send off show to say his goodbye just a case of "Get the FK outta here"
He's always been an annoying little wimp.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ley_School.jpg
pfftQuote:
Originally Posted by Denilson3.0
I actually liked Cuomo for a minute. Tried to sit thru his new gig but nah. It was interesting watching the 'tribes' with the shock n awe reactions yesterday. Like seeing both go tbh. Lemon always struck me as slimy hell bent on jamming a narrative down your throat. Knowingly lying on co-anchors with a whiny weak streak. Misinformed on facts and always blew it off like he's entitled. Half the time I thought he was about to hold his breath and stamp his feet if he didn't get to talk over everyone. And Comrade Tucker, well he's a Putin bootlicker and unhinged brownshirt little shit, so there's that.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
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Originally Posted by SpicoliI actually liked Cuomo for a minute. Tried to sit thru his new gig but nah. It was interesting watching the 'tribes' with the shock n awe reactions yesterday. Like seeing both go tbh. Lemon always struck me as slimy hell bent on jamming a narrative down your throat. Knowingly lying on co-anchors with a whiny weak streak. Misinformed on facts and always blew it off like he's entitled. Half the time I thought he was about to hold his breath and stamp his feet if he didn't get to talk over everyone. And Comrade Tucker, well he's a Putin bootlicker and unhinged brownshirt little shit, so there's that.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
You and I have something in common. We dispense criticism as we see fit, regardless of what color tie they wear. Some on here are pathologically unable to do that. :cool:
Generally in the 'real world' when face to face, I manage to lose, confuse or piss off both "sides" when politics come up ;D. Takes about 5-10 minutes. People want to hear what they agree with and ass'ume one stated opinion defines and slants all topics.Quote:
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Originally Posted by SpicoliI actually liked Cuomo for a minute. Tried to sit thru his new gig but nah. It was interesting watching the 'tribes' with the shock n awe reactions yesterday. Like seeing both go tbh. Lemon always struck me as slimy hell bent on jamming a narrative down your throat. Knowingly lying on co-anchors with a whiny weak streak. Misinformed on facts and always blew it off like he's entitled. Half the time I thought he was about to hold his breath and stamp his feet if he didn't get to talk over everyone. And Comrade Tucker, well he's a Putin bootlicker and unhinged brownshirt little shit, so there's that.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
You and I have something in common. We dispense criticism as we see fit, regardless of what color tie they wear. Some on here are pathologically unable to do that. :cool:
Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliGenerally in the 'real world' when face to face, I manage to lose, confuse or piss off both "sides" when politics come up ;D. Takes about 5-10 minutes. People want to hear what they agree with and ass'ume one stated opinion defines and slants all topics.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliI actually liked Cuomo for a minute. Tried to sit thru his new gig but nah. It was interesting watching the 'tribes' with the shock n awe reactions yesterday. Like seeing both go tbh. Lemon always struck me as slimy hell bent on jamming a narrative down your throat. Knowingly lying on co-anchors with a whiny weak streak. Misinformed on facts and always blew it off like he's entitled. Half the time I thought he was about to hold his breath and stamp his feet if he didn't get to talk over everyone. And Comrade Tucker, well he's a Putin bootlicker and unhinged brownshirt little shit, so there's that.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
You and I have something in common. We dispense criticism as we see fit, regardless of what color tie they wear. Some on here are pathologically unable to do that. :cool:
I avoid these "face to face" when it comes to politics or other polarizing topics. This aversion is pretty much justified on here with the cyber discussions. Still waiting for that magic moment when someone will say (on any subject)...
"Damn you know... you're right. What was I thinking?"
Carlson posed too much of a threat to institutional power because he turned Americans into proper researchers and thinkers.
Carlson offered an intellectualism, truthfulness, and an analytical depth that no other news personality has ever done in the history of the United States as far back as I can remember.
Tucker needed to be “silenced” because he represented too big a threat to the powers and principalities, institutions and agendas that seek an unenlightened uninformed semi lobotomized quasi retarded population that does not question, does not research, does not analyze but simply swallows and follow instructions.
Tucker Carlson also exposed the fraud and money laundering racketeering crimes of FTX and the Democrat Party in Ukraine involving the United States government. He exposed the US biochemical labs in Ukraine and their connection to the Democrat Party, President Barack Obama, Vice President Biden, Hillary Clinton, George Soros, Bill Gates, and other US government agencies and pharmaceutical companies.
The ex-host’s anti-regime rhetoric could no longer be tolerated by the corrupt American media and political establishment and his exit signals the death of American media.
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According to Bennett, Carlson posed too much of a threat to institutional power because he turned Americans into proper “researchers and thinkers”.
Carlson offered an “intellectualism, truthfulness, and an analytical depth that no other news personality has ever done in the history of the United States as far back as I can remember,” said Bennett.
Tucker needed to be “silenced” because he represented too big a threat to the “powers and principalities, institutions and agendas that seek an unenlightened uninformed semi lobotomized quasi retarded population that do not question, do not research, do not analyze but simply digest and follow instructions,” according to Bennett.
“Tucker Carlson also exposed the fraud and money laundering racketeering crimes of FTX and the Democrat Party in Ukraine involving the United States government. He exposed the US biochemical labs in Ukraine and their connection to the Democrat Party, President Barack Obama, Vice President Biden, Hillary Clinton, George Soros, Bill Gates, and other US government agencies and pharmaceutical companies,” Bennett told Sputnik.
The ex-host’s anti-regime rhetoric “could no longer be tolerated by the corrupt American media and political establishment,” said Bennett, adding that his exit signals “the death of American media”.
The former US army psyops officer suggested that Senator Chuck Schumer had threatened to utilize the CIA and the FBI to deploy secret government operations against Tucker to get him off air unless he was fired.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...27b3001b53a3ca
This horseshit is far more coherently written that the horseshit you come up with by yourself. You could never have written this.
Former president Trump’s campaign quietly commissioned a second firm to study election fraud claims in the weeks after the 2020 election, and the founder of the firm was recently questioned by the Justice Department about his work disproving the claims.
Ken Block, founder of the firm Simpatico Software Systems, studied more than a dozen voter fraud theories and allegations for Trump’s campaign in late 2020 and found they were “all false,” he said in an interview with The Washington Post.
“No substantive voter fraud was uncovered in my investigations looking for it, nor was I able to confirm any of the outside claims of voter fraud that I was asked to look at,” he said. “Every fraud claim I was asked to investigate was false.”
Block said he recently received a subpoena from special counsel Jack Smith’s office and met with federal prosecutors in Washington, but he declined to discuss his interactions with them. Block said he contemporaneously sent his findings disputing fraud claims in writing to the Trump campaign in late 2020.
“I just don’t believe it’s appropriate at this point in time to discuss anything related to the grand jury process,” he said.
Prosecutors have obtained extensive information about Block’s efforts, according to people with knowledge of the matter, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe an ongoing investigation.
Federal records show the Trump 2020 campaign paid Block’s firm more than $750,000 in six payments. The first, for $390,000, came three days after the election, records show, and the final payment came around Thanksgiving of that year. The payments were labeled “Recount.”
Separately, prosecutors have interviewed multiple employees from the Berkeley Research Group in recent weeks, another Trump-paid firm that produced a 29-page report ultimately undermining many of Trump’s fraud claims, according to three people familiar with the matter. Berkeley’s study contradicted claims made by Trump and his advisers that there were extensive numbers of dead voters and cases of fraud in states such as Georgia and Nevada.
https://wapo.st/3LBHAnd
AI is really something:
https://twitter.com/joncoopertweets/...99029689176066
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Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingQuote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
According to Bennett, Carlson posed too much of a threat to institutional power because he turned Americans into proper “researchers and thinkers”.
Carlson offered an “intellectualism, truthfulness, and an analytical depth that no other news personality has ever done in the history of the United States as far back as I can remember,” said Bennett.
Tucker needed to be “silenced” because he represented too big a threat to the “powers and principalities, institutions and agendas that seek an unenlightened uninformed semi lobotomized quasi retarded population that do not question, do not research, do not analyze but simply digest and follow instructions,” according to Bennett.
“Tucker Carlson also exposed the fraud and money laundering racketeering crimes of FTX and the Democrat Party in Ukraine involving the United States government. He exposed the US biochemical labs in Ukraine and their connection to the Democrat Party, President Barack Obama, Vice President Biden, Hillary Clinton, George Soros, Bill Gates, and other US government agencies and pharmaceutical companies,” Bennett told Sputnik.
The ex-host’s anti-regime rhetoric “could no longer be tolerated by the corrupt American media and political establishment,” said Bennett, adding that his exit signals “the death of American media”.
The former US army psyops officer suggested that Senator Chuck Schumer had threatened to utilize the CIA and the FBI to deploy secret government operations against Tucker to get him off air unless he was fired.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...27b3001b53a3ca
This horseshit is far more coherently written that the horseshit you come up with by yourself. You could never have written this.
Damn. And to think I was almost impressed. Only to find out the whole post was plagiarized. :cool:
This is the whole point. Miles was the same always lifting huge chunks from zero hedge bullshit. Very straight people just like TIC living in a fantasy world where everyone else is hoodwinked and incurious whilst they repeat verbatim idiotic bollocks that tells them what to think. Irony is wasted on them.
Carlson and intellectual in the same sentence is enough to make you spit yor coffee out, but calling moderate same old bullshit democratic capitalist liberalism 'the regime' just after blowing smoke up Putin and China's arse and high fiving dictators, Murdoch and Billionaire control freaks like the anti free speech Musk is full on mental.
i'm the only one here asking how claims & beliefs have been verified & known to be true. all you have is fallacies & deflections. you are the one living in a world of belief. you have been hoodwinked & incurious from the moment you were born larryQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
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Originally Posted by TICi'm the only one here asking how claims & beliefs have been verified & known to be true. all you have is fallacies & deflections. you are the one living in a world of belief. you have been hoodwinked & incurious from the moment you were born larryQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Exactly.
Everyone here is stupid, docile and brainwashed until here you come an enlightened beacon of knowledge freeing us all from our chains of mental servitude with your YouTube PHD and all those years raising your cuddly toys and years of experience edge lording it over everyone on Elder Scrolls.
no larry. i am talking directly to you. if i've got something to say to someone else i'll say it directly to them. i've asked you to provide details on how you have verified your beliefs & you can only use fallacies to deflect. i'm not here to free anyone but i will ask them to verify how they know their claims or beliefs are true. i don't even know what elder scrolls is. but enough with your red herrings, why are you so angry that you are being asked to verify your beliefs are true? is it because you are unable to & are unable to accept that you only believe secondhand information? that is not verifying a claim & knowing it to be true, that is believing larryQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanzQuote:
Originally Posted by TICi'm the only one here asking how claims & beliefs have been verified & known to be true. all you have is fallacies & deflections. you are the one living in a world of belief. you have been hoodwinked & incurious from the moment you were born larryQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Exactly.
Everyone here is stupid, docile and brainwashed until here you come an enlightened beacon of knowledge freeing us all from our chains of mental servitude with your YouTube PHD and all those years raising your cuddly toys and years of experience edge lording it over everyone on Elder Scrolls.
Some thoughts while I hate watch the Yankees. What an absolute shower of shit this team is.
A top GOP political consultant who worked on five presidential campaigns talks about how rare an actual good presidential candidate is:
https://twitter.com/stuartpstevens/s...80412582395904
https://twitter.com/stuartpstevens/s...80411122810880
Trump latest:
https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/s...50217963380736
Wife of Supreme Court chief justice gets a job directly due to him becoming chief justice and makes an eight figure sum. Jesus fucking wept. This is three of them in three weeks. This is banana republic stuff. And nothing from the Democratic party other than would you please attend a hearing and being told to fuck off. If this was three Democratic judges imagine Fox News right now. If George Soros had bought Sonya Sotomayor a Big Mac you'd never have heard the end of it.
https://www.businessinsider.com/jane...issions-2023-4
MAGA means Make Attorneys Get Attorneys:
At Least 25 Lawyers Are Subjects or Witnesses in the Various Trump Investigations
https://www.emptywheel.net/2023/01/0...nvestigations/
Shit. That's old. Apparently it's over 30 now.
A reminder. This guy is apparently pole position to be Attorney General if Trump wins again:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-FBI-raid.html
Capers told KTRK the case went from
harassment to a shooting very quickly. He said that authorities believed some of the victims were trying to shield their children -- with bodies found on top of children who were unharmed.
MORE: Infant shot, 2 adults dead in house shooting
"In my opinion, they were actually trying to take care of the babies and keep them babies alive," Capers told KTRK.
Police said the shootings all took place in one home, the victims were all from Honduras and that four of the victims were declared dead at the scene. The fifth victim -- an 8-year-old boy -- was taken to a hospital and has since been pronounced dead.
Capers told KTRK all of the victims were shot from the neck up "almost execution style."
Capers said footage from a Ring doorbell at the victims' house shows the shooter entering the home where the shooting took place with a weapon. The suspect was believed to be intoxicated at the time, authorities said.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/5-dead-tex...ry?id=98957271
I bet he was drinking Bud Light. It's the Bud Light that was responsible. They sooner they manage to get Bud Light cancelled the better.
Meatball Ron not having the best of times. Having to shake up your campaign before you even start it isn't a good sign:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...2024-rcna81624
His Louboutins are amazing though:
https://twitter.com/OperativeXRay/st...70104729452544
There's nothing wrong with being five feet two.
This was hands down the best joke at Nerd Prom:
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1652506986792079362
Trump is bringing something different into the 2024 campaign: serious people. This iteration of Trump’s re-election effort includes serious, smart, determined campaign professionals who know the work, know the steep hill they must climb, and know how to win. They’re adults, smart people with experience in real politics. Some of the old guard are still lurking around the Court of King Donald, but there’s a chill in the air when watching his new team take shape. People like Chris LaCivita and Suzie Wiles aren’t capering for Trump’s approval. They’re driving for a win......
https://resolutesquare.com/articles/...mpaign=sub_cta
An ex-FBI official who allegedly urged rioters to "kill" officers during the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol was previously the supervisory special agent in charge of Homegrown Violent Extremism for the FBI New York Field Office's Joint Terrorism Task Force, a senior law enforcement official told NBC News.
Jared Wise was arrested in Oregon this week, charged with four misdemeanor counts. After he entered the Capitol and exited through a broken window, an FBI affidavit alleges, Wise yelled at officers outside the Capitol.
"You’re disgusting. You are the Nazi. You are the Gestapo. You can’t see it," he yelled, according to the bureau. "Shame on you! Shame on you! Shame on you!”
https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/i...27p-9a2215.jpgJared Wise.U.S. District Court WashingtonAs officers were knocked down in front of him, Wise turned toward the violence and started yelling again, according to the FBI.
“Yeah, f--- them! Yeah, kill ’em!” Wise said, according to the FBI. “Kill ’em! Kill ’em! Kill ’em!”
Wise, according to a senior law enforcement official, served in the homegrown violent extremism role from 2014 to 2017.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/jus...rism-rcna82775
Clarence Thomas Had a Child in Private School. Harlan Crow Paid the Tuition.The price tag could have exceeded $150,000.
https://www.propublica.org/article/c...tuition-scotus
This Supreme Court stuff seems to be getting worse. Related:
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/02/polit...g-luttig-tribe
Four Proud Boys guilty in major US Capitol riot case
Five members of the far-right Proud Boys, including former leader Enrique Tarrio, face decades in prison after being found guilty for their role in the January 6 US Capitol riot.
Four were convicted of seditious conspiracy, and all five were found guilty of obstructing official proceedings, alongside other felonies.
The most serious charges carry penalties of up to 20 years in prison.
More than 100 members of the far-right, all-male group joined the Capitol riot.
All five defendants were found guilty of conspiracy to prevent officials from discharging their duties, impeding officers during civil disorder, and destruction of a fence protecting the Capitol.
A mistrial was declared on a total of 10 charges against the men where the jury failed to come to a conclusion, after a complex trial that took nearly four months - more than twice as long as planned.
The Proud Boys were steadfast supporters of Donald Trump who marched several times in Washington DC after the 2020 election, often clashing with far-left anti-fascists.
Their protests culminated on 6 January 2021, as the election results were due to be certified by Congress.
Unlike his co-defendants, former Proud Boy chairman Henry "Enrique" Tarrio was not in Washington that day.
He was arrested two days before for previously burning a Black Lives Matter banner and weapons charges. He was ordered by a judge to leave the city and ended up watching events from a hotel room in nearby Baltimore.
Tarrio's co-defendants included Ethan Nordean, 31, of Washington state, who goes by the alias "Rufio Panman".
Nordean was active in Proud Boy street protests and brawls with anti-fascist activists in the Pacific Northwest. In video from 6 January, he was seen leading members of the group around the Capitol along with co-defendant Joe Biggs, 38, of Florida, a US Army veteran and former broadcaster for Alex Jones's Infowars.
Zachary Rehl, 36, a former US Marine and leader of the Philadelphia branch of the Proud Boys, was also part of a group that stormed the building.
A fifth defendant, 44-year-old Dominic Pezzola of Rochester, New York, was found not guilty of seditious conspiracy.
Pezzola, also a former US Marine and at the time a relatively recent recruit to the group, took a riot shield from police officer and smashed a window. He was one of the first people inside the building and lit a cigar in celebration.
However, while testifying in his own defence he said he was acting alone and had not met his co-defendants prior to that day. He was convicted of assaulting a police officer while taking the riot shield, while the others were found not guilty on that charge.
Rehl also testified in his own defence, but the others did not take the stand.
In court, prosecutors introduced a large volume of text messages, social media posts and videos to prove that the group's actions amounted to a co-ordinated plot to try to stop the certification of the 2020 election result.
The Proud Boys repeatedly posted a number of violent threats online. For instance, in November 2020, Tarrio wrote on a post by Joe Biden: "YOU need to remember the American people are at war with YOU. No Trump… No peace. No quarter."
Others posted about civil war, firing squads and "traitors".
The trial was delayed by slow jury selection, motions for mistrial by defence lawyers, numerous arguments over witnesses and evidence, and concerns about possible juror intimidation.
Lawyers for the defendants argued that the group was poorly organised, mostly non-violent, and that there was no preconceived plan to storm the building.
They also noted that Tarrio, a long-time police informant, was in touch with Washington DC police before 6 January and informed an officer of the group's plans for the day.
In closing arguments lawyers for the defendants placed the blame on Mr Trump, saying they merely followed his suggestion to show up.
"'Be there, it's going to be wild,' the commander-in-chief said. And so they did," said Norm Pattis, an attorney for Biggs, referencing one of Mr Trump's tweets.
The Proud Boys were founded in New York City in 2016 by Gavin McInnes, a co-founder of Vice who left the media company to embark on a career as a right-wing commentator and podcaster.
They describe themselves as an all-male drinking club or a "pro-Western fraternal organisation".
But they became better known for their frequent brawls with left-wing anti-fascist activists in cities across the US.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65307770
Some goings on in trump v everyone.
Most Fake Trump Electors Have Taken Immunity Deals in Georgia Case https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/05/u...SG3RSuZJYqeAOM
Justice Dept. Intensifying Efforts to Determine if Trump Hid Documents https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/04/u...rse96R8ZQVJ4Aw
And Clarence
https://www.theonion.com/clarence-th...source=twitter
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ma...fb72b931&ei=11
"Man who pepper-sprayed police gets 14 years in longest Jan. 6-related sentence"
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A Pennsylvania man found guilty of felony assault and other charges for pepper-spraying police officers outside the U.S. Capitol was sentenced on Friday to 14 years behind bars, the longest prison term to date for anyone convicted in the riot of Jan. 6, 2021.
Peter J. Schwartz, 49, was convicted last December at a trial in federal court where evidence showed he was in the vanguard of a mob attacking police at the lower west terrace of the Capitol and boasted later that he had "started a riot" by "throwing the first chair."
Prosecutors said Schwartz then seized a police duffle bag full of pepper-spray canisters and handed them out to others in the mob, including his wife, so they could turn them against police officers.
According to the government's case, Schwartz began chasing down any retreating officers he could find and dousing them with pepper spray as he surged through the crowd into the lower west terrace tunnel wielding a wooden club.
A welder by trade, Schwartz was arrested in early February in his hometown of Uniontown, Pennsylvania.
Schwartz and two co-defendants, Jeffrey Scott Brown and Markus Maly, became the first three individuals convicted at trial of assaulting police officers with pepper spray on Jan. 6.
Brown, of Santa Ana, California, was sentenced last month to 4 1/2 years in prison. Maly, of Fincastle, Virginia, is awaiting sentencing. Schwartz's wife, Shelly Stallings, received a two-year prison term last month.
Schwartz was found guilty on four counts of assault with a dangerous weapon and six other charges, including obstructing an official proceeding, entering a restricted building with a dangerous weapon and engaging in physical violence in a restricted building.
His 170-month prison term surpasses the previous longest sentence yet handed down in a case related to the Jan. 6 attack - 10 years received by former New York City cop Thomas Webster for assaulting a Washington police officer that day.
Schwartz's punishment may soon be eclipsed. The U.S. Justice Department on Friday asked a federal judge to sentence Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes to 25 years in prison for his conviction on seditious conspiracy and other charges stemming from the Jan. 6 riot.
On Thursday, a federal court jury convicted four members of another far-right extremist group, the Proud Boys, of seditious conspiracy, defined under a Civil War-era law as a plot to oppose the government with force.
At least 950 people have been charged and more than 600 convicted for their roles in the Capitol rampage by supporters of then-President Donald Trump. The Jan. 6 attack marked the most violent assault on the halls of Congress since the British invasion of Washington during the War of 1812.
Trump had urged his followers in a speech that day to "fight like hell" to disrupt congressional certification of Democrat Joe Biden's 2020 presidential election victory, a race the Republican incumbent has continued to falsely claim was stolen by massive fraud.
Schwartz's lawyers appealed for leniency, saying their client and his wife had traveled to Washington to hear Trump's speech and walked to the Capitol with other protesters without intending in advance to incite violence.
Defense attorneys said in court documents that Schwartz's actions that day "were motivated by a misunderstanding as to the facts surrounding the 2020 election."
(Reporting by Andrew Goudward in Washington; Writing and additional reporting by Steve Gorman in Los Angeles; Editing by Stephen Coates)
OUCH! Damn... that's pretty hefty. I guess this dude will have to continue "fighting like hell" from prison.
What is it? Play stupid games... win stupid prizes?
I would imagine consequences such as these would "dissuade" other brainless Minions from engaging in feeding frenzy behavior.
The greased up grifter actually confused a pic of his late wife with one of the woman he's accused of raping ffs :kar:
I see cnn is breaking out the Vaseline and unbuttoning for some upcoming town hall. Feels like we've seen this shameless snuff film before.
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Here ya go... I'll give you a hand with that.
https://i.imgflip.com/7kwujn.jpg
Wrong acronymn.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
Right Wing Death Squad.
Your hero Trump the c*nt is the one blaming pot smoking trans people for mass shootings and here you are convinced that anyone noticing this in his long list of idiotic reasoning is 'deranged'.
You are in a cult mate.
Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzWrong acronymn.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
Right Wing Death Squad.
Your hero Trump the c*nt is the one blaming pot smoking trans people for mass shootings and here you are convinced that anyone noticing this in his long list of idiotic reasoning is 'deranged'.
You are in a cult mate.
He's also totally responsible (let's not kid ourselves) for the mob that attacked the Capitol on January 6th, a previously unthinkable act. Unthinkable, that is, until Trump came along and created the hateful divide among the people. People, who unfortunately include the hordes of puppets who are apparently born with a nose ring, ready to be led by someone like Trump.
The funny thing is... he incites the brainless mob... then distances himself after they're all caught and brought to justice. We have a saying for someone like that in Spanish. It translates into someone who throws the first rock and then hides his hand behind his back. The morons being prosecuted must be crying about how they thought Trump had their back. LOL.
Conservative judicial activist Leonard Leo arranged forthe wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas to be paid tens of thousands of dollars for consulting work just over a decade ago, specifying that her name be left off billing paperwork, according to documents reviewed by The Washington Post.
In January 2012, Leo instructed the GOP pollster Kellyanne Conway to bill a nonprofit group he advises and use that money to pay Virginia “Ginni” Thomas, the documents show. The same year, the nonprofit, the Judicial Education Project, filed a brief to the Supreme Court in a landmarkvoting rights case.
Leo, a key figure in a network of nonprofits that has worked to support the nominations of conservative judges, told Conwaythat he wanted her to “give” Ginni Thomas “another $25K,” the documents show. He emphasized that the paperwork should have “No mention of Ginni, of course.”
Conway’s firm, the Polling Company, sent the Judicial Education Project a $25,000 bill that day. Per Leo’s instructions, it listed the purpose as “Supplement for Constitution Polling and Opinion Consulting,” the documents show.
In all, according to the documents, the Polling Company paid Thomas’s firm, Liberty Consulting, $80,000 between June 2011 and June2012, and it expected to pay $20,000 more before the end of 2012. The documents reviewed by The Post do not indicate the precise nature of any work Thomas did for the Judicial Education Project or the Polling Company.
https://wapo.st/3LRAH01
Imagine the GOP reaction and conservative media coverage if the liberal justices were doing this stuff. You'd be hearing about the end of America, tyranny, corrupt judicial dictatorship and so on and so on. Here's the Democratic response on the actual liberal cable news channel:
https://twitter.com/allinwithchris/s...86441839579137
They just have no idea how to do politics do they. And judging by the state of the country that's probably not a bad thing. But all this "both sides" commentary is a load of bullshit. This is asymmetric. The bullshit, the bad faith politics and media coverage, the manufactured outrage and the vast majority of the corruption and criminality is all on one side here. And when shit like this is made public the sneering condescension to act all upset and outraged at the media for making this public and the other side for saying it's a bad thing. How dare anybody see this as corruption. Fucking shameful.
Oh and this is the nutcase earning hundreds of thousands of dollars for consultancy work:
Virginia Thomas, a conservative activist married to Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, repeatedly pressed White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows to pursue unrelenting efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election in a series of urgent text exchanges in the critical weeks after the vote, according to copies of the messages obtained by The Washington Post and CBS News.
[...]
The first of the 29 messages between Ginni Thomas and Meadows was sent on Nov. 5, two days after the election. She sent him a link to a YouTube video labeled “TRUMP STING w CIA Director Steve Pieczenik, The Biggest Election Story in History, QFS-BLOCKCHAIN.”
Pieczenik, a former State Department official, is a far-right commentator who has falsely claimed that the 2012 massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., was a “false-flag” operation to push a gun-control agenda.
The video Thomas shared with Meadows is no longer available on YouTube. But Thomas wrote to Meadows, “I hope this is true; never heard anything like this before, or even a hint of it. Possible???”
“Watermarked ballots in over 12 states have been part of a huge Trump & military white hat sting operation in 12 key battleground states,” she wrote.
During that period, supporters of the QAnon extremist ideology embraced a false theory that Trump had watermarked mail-in ballots so he could track potential fraud. “Watch the water” was a refrain in QAnon circles at the time.
In the Nov. 5 message to Meadows, Thomas went on to quote a passage that had circulated on right-wing websites: “Biden crime family & ballot fraud co-conspirators (elected officials, bureaucrats, social media censorship mongers, fake stream media reporters, etc) are being arrested & detained for ballot fraud right now & over coming days, & will be living in barges off GITMO to face military tribunals for sedition.”
https://wapo.st/41m4mEu
Qanon Consultants Inc.
To some, he is “Ron DeSoros,” a puppet of the Democratic megadonor George Soros.
To others, he is “Ron DeSatan,” a vaccine-supporting evildoer. And to still others, he is “Ron DePLANTis,” a “plant” of the so-called Deep State.
As the governor of Florida — real name Ron DeSantis — explores a bid for the Republican presidential nomination, he has made overtures to supporters of former President Donald J. Trump. But he is finding that the conspiracy theories and outlandish attacks that Mr. Trump and his allies have aimed at rivals for years are coming for him as well.
The attacks often nod to one of the many unfounded conspiracy theories floating around in far-right circles: election fraud, vaccine dangers, Mr. Soros and even QAnon, the online conspiracy movement that believes, among other things, in the existence of a fictional cult that preys on children.
The attacks underscore the power that conspiracy theories continue to hold over Republican politics heading into the 2024 presidential election. To win the party’s nomination, Mr. DeSantis would probably need support from a Republican base that has produced many of the attacks against him. And while Mr. DeSantis enjoys broad support among Republicans, soaring to re-election victory just six months ago, the latest primary polls show Mr. Trump gaining a sizable lead.
“It’s a tug of war over who is going to grab the all-important conspiracy constituency,” said Bond Benton, an associate professor at Montclair State University who has studied QAnon.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/05/t...theorists.html
You have to laugh. At least this collection of crazy fuckers and fascists have no chance at taking the White House in 2024. Oh. Hang on a minute:
A stunning new ABC News/Washington Post poll out Sunday contains nothing but bad news for President Joe Biden, and good news for his potential 2024 opponent Donald Trump.
According to the survey, the president trails his predecessor by 7 points in a hypothetical 2024 general election matchup. Respondents were asked whether they would “definitely” vote for Trump or Biden, “probably” vote for Trump or Biden, or vote for someone else or not vote at all. Among those who “definitely” prefer one candidate over the other, Trump leads Biden 36-32. But when those “probably” voting are added to the tally, Trump’s margin balloons to 7 points — as he holds a 45-38 advantage over Biden.
https://www.mediaite.com/news/shock-...n-post-survey/
I know Biden is old and all but look at the alternative guy. This can only be inflation. Economically everything else is good, it's just that inflation hasn't been seen anywhere near a significant level for forty years and it affects everybody. When you get a recession you get a few points of unemployment but that affects only a few percentage of voters, the least employment worthy people in the economy to a large extent and to another large extent those people don't vote. All voters are getting hit by inflation and it's showing up in the polling. Biden is the president so he's getting the blame.
Luckily there's a way for Biden to explain the issue to Americans so they all learn that he's not responsible for pretty much all the inflation they're seeing and it's down to factors outside presidential control. All he needs is a quick few minutes on the networks for a national tv address to Americans, a well written script and a couple of well produced clear and informative charts in the background to visually confirm Biden's words.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha ha. That's not going to work is it. Trying to explain anything at all to the population of any country is dicey at best and anything involving numbers forget it, you might as well try and teach your dog quantum mechanics. He's going to get back in isn't he. Well there was all that business with his supporters storming the Capitol and he does seem a little crazy and maybe we'll never get to vote in a fair election again but the economy was really good when he was president the last time so how bad could it really be if he gets in again. Fuck me.
Jury finds Trump sexually abused writer in NY department store.
A jury in a civil case has found former President Donald Trump sexually abused a magazine columnist in a New York department store in the 1990s.
But Mr Trump was found not liable for raping E Jean Carroll in the dressing room of Bergdorf Goodman.
The jury also found Mr Trump liable for defamation for calling the writer's accusations "a hoax and a lie".
It is the first time Mr Trump has been found legally responsible for a sexual assault.
The Manhattan jury ordered Mr Trump to pay her about $5m (£4m) in damages.
The jury of six men and three women reached their decision after less than three hours of deliberations on Tuesday.
"Today, the world finally knows the truth," Ms Carroll said in a written statement following the verdict. "This victory is not just for me but for every woman who has suffered because she was not believed."
Mr Trump's lawyer said the former president plans to appeal against the decision.
Because the trial was in civil court rather than criminal, Mr Trump will not be required to register as a sex offender.
The former president - who has denied Ms Carroll's accusations - did not attend the two-week civil trial in the Manhattan federal court.
Ms Carroll, 79, held the hands of both her lawyers as the verdict was read in court and smiled as she was awarded damages by the jury.
Mr Trump's lawyer, Joe Tacopina, shook her hand as the trial ended, telling her: "Congratulations and good luck."
Roberta Kaplan, a lawyer for the plaintiff said in a statement: "This is a victory not only for E Jean Carroll, but for democracy itself, and for all survivors everywhere."
After the verdict, Mr Trump, 76, posted on his social media platform Truth Social in all capital letters: "I have absolutely no idea who this woman is.
"This verdict is a disgrace - a continuation of the greatest witch hunt of all time!"
The standard of proof in civil cases is lower than in criminal cases, meaning that jurors were only required to find that it was more likely than not that Mr Trump assaulted Ms Carroll.
While the jury found Mr Trump liable for sexual battery and defamation of Ms Carroll, they did not find Mr Trump liable of raping her. To do so, the jury would have needed to have been convinced that Mr Trump had engaged in non-consensual sexual intercourse with Ms Carroll.
The trial saw a tense cross-examination between Ms Carroll and Mr Trump's attorneys.
Her legal team called 11 witnesses to corroborate her claims that Mr Trump had assaulted her in the lingerie department of the luxury store in 1995 or 1996.
They included two women who also say they were sexually assaulted by Mr Trump decades ago. One woman told jurors that Mr Trump groped her during a flight in the 1970s. Another woman said that Mr Trump had forcibly kissed her while she was interviewing him for an article she was writing in 2005.
Two long-time friends of Ms Carroll testified that she told them about the encounter shortly after it occurred.
On the stand, Ms Carroll described in graphic detail what she alleges happened in the store and the trauma she says she has endured as a result.
"I'm here because Donald Trump raped me and when I wrote about it, he lied and said it didn't happen," she told the court.
Mr Trump called no witnesses and appeared only in a video of a deposition that was played for jurors in which he denied rape.
"It's the most ridiculous, disgusting story," Mr Trump said in the footage. "It's just made up."
Ms Carroll's lawsuit also argued that Mr Trump had defamed her in an October 2022 post on his social media site in which he called her claims a "complete con job" and "a Hoax and a lie".
Her legal team argued Mr Trump had acted as a "witness against himself" during the deposition when he doubled down on comments he made in a 2005 recording.
In the audio, known as the Access Hollywood tape and leaked in 2016, Mr Trump suggested women let stars "do anything" to them, including grabbing their genitals.
That's what he did to Ms Carroll, her lawyer argued.
In the recorded video deposition, Mr Trump at one point confused Ms Carroll for his ex-wife, Marla Maples, which Ms Carroll's lawyers argued undermined his claim that she was "not his type".
Mr Tacopina sought to cast doubt on Ms Carroll's story, which he called "a work of fiction".
He questioned why Ms Carroll could not specify the date of the attack, arguing that it stripped Mr Trump of the chance to provide an alibi.
"With no date, no month, no year, you can't present an alibi, you can't call witnesses," Mr Tacopina said. "What they want is for you to hate him enough to ignore the facts."
Mr Tacopina also pressed her on why she did not report a crime to police or scream while it occurred.
The former Elle magazine columnist was able to bring the civil case against Mr Trump after New York passed the Adult Survivors Act in 2022.
The law allowed a one-year period for victims to file sexual assault lawsuits in the state involving claims that would have normally exceeded statute limitations.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65531098
My god what an embarrassment. I am watching a distorted toddler throw a live tantrum. The republican party is atrocious for any support still standing for this grifting bitter liar. The Constitution, principle and facts are not a comedy act. Complete shit show.
Some reaction to the Trump rape verdict from GOP Senators. The party of law and order responds to the guilty verdict. Keep scrolling with this one, multiple profiles in courage here:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...399986688.html
also:
https://twitter.com/therecount/statu...36118968582147
https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/...69333200650244
https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/sta...69533420584962
Definitely running for vice prez. Spends all her time attacking DeSoros:
https://www.mediaite.com/politics/ni...tivity-behind/
Pence:
https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/sta...74180814372864
Turtle:
https://www.mediaite.com/politics/mc...the-primaries/
Finally:
https://twitter.com/piper4missouri/s...78768481189888
GOP voters:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...groups/673995/
Meatball Ron:
https://twitter.com/zacjanderson/sta...36200863567872
Imagine this fucker and the rest of the no hopers on stage with Trump. It'll be horrific. Trump may be so far ahead in the polls that he doesn't even bother turning up for the debates anyway.
I haven't watched a minute of the CNN thing. Loads of clips out there but I read a couple of the descriptions and that's enough for me. Lots of clips here if you want to watch:
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1656441717665538051