Yeah boy, Margarito's finished & Cotto's gonna put the final nails in the coffinQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Yeah boy, Margarito's finished & Cotto's gonna put the final nails in the coffinQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
I don't know why everyone talks so much crap about Casey Anthony, either. The criminal justice system cleared her.
He served the punishment that was given to him. What more was he suppose to do? He didn't get to pick his punishment. It was given to him. And he served it. Case closeQuote:
Originally Posted by blegitWhat debt did he pay to "society"? Did he do time, work for a charity, do community service, or anything of merit towards society? And lets stop acting like his right to work was taken away. He was only suspended from "boxing" for a year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseEnough with the nonsense already. The man has paid his debt to society. He served the punishment that was given to him. I see no reason why his right to earn a living in the country he was born be taken awayQuote:
Originally Posted by #1FightFan
I would bang the fuck out of her. She not a bad looking MILF. Well ex MILFQuote:
Originally Posted by LobowolfXXX
I'm surprised to see you VD supporting a punk bitch like Margarito! You say a lot of fun stuff & tell it how you see it but I never thought you'd stick up for such a disgrace.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseHe served the punishment that was given to him. What more was he suppose to do? He didn't get to pick his punishment. It was given to him. And he served it. Case closeQuote:
Originally Posted by blegitWhat debt did he pay to "society"? Did he do time, work for a charity, do community service, or anything of merit towards society? And lets stop acting like his right to work was taken away. He was only suspended from "boxing" for a year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseEnough with the nonsense already. The man has paid his debt to society. He served the punishment that was given to him. I see no reason why his right to earn a living in the country he was born be taken awayQuote:
Originally Posted by #1FightFan
Well he did serve his time because he didn't actual cheat in a fight he was charged with attempt. So i mean i not sure what the charge is for attempt but i am sure it is not a life time ban right.
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Originally Posted by Violent DemiseHe served the punishment that was given to him. What more was he suppose to do? He didn't get to pick his punishment. It was given to him. And he served it. Case closeQuote:
Originally Posted by blegitWhat debt did he pay to "society"? Did he do time, work for a charity, do community service, or anything of merit towards society? And lets stop acting like his right to work was taken away. He was only suspended from "boxing" for a year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseEnough with the nonsense already. The man has paid his debt to society. He served the punishment that was given to him. I see no reason why his right to earn a living in the country he was born be taken awayQuote:
Originally Posted by #1FightFan
He's not supposed to "do" anything else, but accepting his slap on the wrist doesn't give him a clean slate in the court of public opinion. He's lost a lot of respect and a lot of fans (and a lot of his reputation) in the eyes of many, and he'll never, ever get it back. Watching and listening to him in the Kellerman interview, you can tell that he knows it, too. And he has nobody to blame but himself and/or Capetillo.
Taking a year off of boxing isn't exactly paying a debt to society. So be real about this. Are you really saying that the punishment was just??? He essentially lost nothing. He actually gained from it because he got the biggest payday of his life. And his right to work was never taken. And to answer your question...how about actually admit he cheated and stop playing the victimized by my trainer card. C'mon man the guy stills says he did nothing wrong and has no remorse for the worst thing you can do in boxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseHe served the punishment that was given to him. What more was he suppose to do? He didn't get to pick his punishment. It was given to him. And he served it. Case closeQuote:
Originally Posted by blegitWhat debt did he pay to "society"? Did he do time, work for a charity, do community service, or anything of merit towards society? And lets stop acting like his right to work was taken away. He was only suspended from "boxing" for a year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseEnough with the nonsense already. The man has paid his debt to society. He served the punishment that was given to him. I see no reason why his right to earn a living in the country he was born be taken awayQuote:
Originally Posted by #1FightFan
I do tell it like I see it. And you know what I saw? I saw Cotto take 267 punches (237 of them power shots) from a much bigger man. Wraps were not needed to beat Cotto. 267 punches from a bigger, stronger fighter are gonna bust you up regardless. It amazes me how the Cotto groupies, the Margaito bashers and even Cotto himself always seem to ignore the fact that he took over 260 punches. And that just might be the reason he lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyI'm surprised to see you VD supporting a punk bitch like Margarito! You say a lot of fun stuff & tell it how you see it but I never thought you'd stick up for such a disgrace.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseHe served the punishment that was given to him. What more was he suppose to do? He didn't get to pick his punishment. It was given to him. And he served it. Case closeQuote:
Originally Posted by blegitWhat debt did he pay to "society"? Did he do time, work for a charity, do community service, or anything of merit towards society? And lets stop acting like his right to work was taken away. He was only suspended from "boxing" for a year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseEnough with the nonsense already. The man has paid his debt to society. He served the punishment that was given to him. I see no reason why his right to earn a living in the country he was born be taken awayQuote:
Originally Posted by #1FightFan
I'm not a Cotto supporter & even bring their 1st fight into question. Margarito got caught with the wraps before the Mosley fight & thats all she wrote! He attempted to cheat in the worst way possible & is a disgrace to the sport imoQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI do tell it like I see it. And you know what I saw? I saw Cotto take 267 punches (237 of them power shots) from a much bigger man. Wraps were not needed to beat Cotto. 267 punches from a bigger, stronger fighter are gonna bust you up regardless. It amazes me how the Cotto groupies, the Margaito bashers and even Cotto himself always seem to ignore the fact that he took over 260 punches. And that just might be the reason he lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyI'm surprised to see you VD supporting a punk bitch like Margarito! You say a lot of fun stuff & tell it how you see it but I never thought you'd stick up for such a disgrace.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseHe served the punishment that was given to him. What more was he suppose to do? He didn't get to pick his punishment. It was given to him. And he served it. Case closeQuote:
Originally Posted by blegitWhat debt did he pay to "society"? Did he do time, work for a charity, do community service, or anything of merit towards society? And lets stop acting like his right to work was taken away. He was only suspended from "boxing" for a year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseEnough with the nonsense already. The man has paid his debt to society. He served the punishment that was given to him. I see no reason why his right to earn a living in the country he was born be taken awayQuote:
Originally Posted by #1FightFan
You're one of the few people here who opinions I ponder over when it opposes mine. Maybe I'm wrong? Is it possible? At times the possibility is there. Not on this one. This one I understand. You been following the sport a long time. I consider you a boxing fan. As oppose to just a certain fighters fan. Which is why I acknowledge them. Take away the bias and hatred towards the suspect I don't understand why it's so hard to accept Margarito's story about not knowing. I can't recall if you ever mention having fought before or not. In my lifetime I participated 22 amateur fights. I been around several fighters while they got there hands wrapped. Many times I seen fighters with there heads down. Eyes close. Alone with there thoughts. Others I seen with ear phones on. Into whatever they are listening to. I seen one fighter praying with his minister as he got his hands wrapped. Point is none were paying attention to the wrapping. Until now very few did. Margarito saying he didn't know is very believable. And normal. Why his excuse is laugh at and dismiss so easily to this day stumps meQuote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyI'm not a Cotto supporter & even bring their 1st fight into question. Margarito got caught with the wraps before the Mosley fight & thats all she wrote! He attempted to cheat in the worst way possible & is a disgrace to the sport imoQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI do tell it like I see it. And you know what I saw? I saw Cotto take 267 punches (237 of them power shots) from a much bigger man. Wraps were not needed to beat Cotto. 267 punches from a bigger, stronger fighter are gonna bust you up regardless. It amazes me how the Cotto groupies, the Margaito bashers and even Cotto himself always seem to ignore the fact that he took over 260 punches. And that just might be the reason he lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyI'm surprised to see you VD supporting a punk bitch like Margarito! You say a lot of fun stuff & tell it how you see it but I never thought you'd stick up for such a disgrace.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseHe served the punishment that was given to him. What more was he suppose to do? He didn't get to pick his punishment. It was given to him. And he served it. Case closeQuote:
Originally Posted by blegitWhat debt did he pay to "society"? Did he do time, work for a charity, do community service, or anything of merit towards society? And lets stop acting like his right to work was taken away. He was only suspended from "boxing" for a year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseEnough with the nonsense already. The man has paid his debt to society. He served the punishment that was given to him. I see no reason why his right to earn a living in the country he was born be taken awayQuote:
Originally Posted by #1FightFan
The flip side, is, take away the bias that some people have for Margarito, and what's the basis for accepting his story? The entirety of the evidence for Margarito's not knowing is that he says so. Well, of course he says so. That evidence can pretty much be discounted out of hand, as he has a bias in professing his innocence. Guess what Luis Resto's story was? He didn't know. Margarito's story is the same as every guilty person's story - "I didn't do it." (the exception being those whose guilt is so incontrovertible that they have to admit it and cut a deal)Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseYou're one of the few people here who opinions I ponder over when it opposes mine. Maybe I'm wrong? Is it possible? At times the possibility is there. Not on this one. This one I understand. You been following the sport a long time. I consider you a boxing fan. As oppose to just a certain fighters fan. Which is why I acknowledge them. Take away the bias and hatred towards the suspect I don't understand why it's so hard to accept Margarito's story about not knowing. I can't recall if you ever mention having fought before or not. In my lifetime I participated 22 amateur fights. I been around several fighters while they got there hands wrapped. Many times I seen fighters with there heads down. Eyes close. Alone with there thoughts. Others I seen with ear phones on. Into whatever they are listening to. I seen one fighter praying with his minister as he got his hands wrapped. Point is none were paying attention to the wrapping. Until now very few did. Margarito saying he didn't know is very believable. And normal. Why his excuse is laugh at and dismiss so easily to this day stumps meQuote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyI'm not a Cotto supporter & even bring their 1st fight into question. Margarito got caught with the wraps before the Mosley fight & thats all she wrote! He attempted to cheat in the worst way possible & is a disgrace to the sport imoQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI do tell it like I see it. And you know what I saw? I saw Cotto take 267 punches (237 of them power shots) from a much bigger man. Wraps were not needed to beat Cotto. 267 punches from a bigger, stronger fighter are gonna bust you up regardless. It amazes me how the Cotto groupies, the Margaito bashers and even Cotto himself always seem to ignore the fact that he took over 260 punches. And that just might be the reason he lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyI'm surprised to see you VD supporting a punk bitch like Margarito! You say a lot of fun stuff & tell it how you see it but I never thought you'd stick up for such a disgrace.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseHe served the punishment that was given to him. What more was he suppose to do? He didn't get to pick his punishment. It was given to him. And he served it. Case closeQuote:
Originally Posted by blegitWhat debt did he pay to "society"? Did he do time, work for a charity, do community service, or anything of merit towards society? And lets stop acting like his right to work was taken away. He was only suspended from "boxing" for a year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseEnough with the nonsense already. The man has paid his debt to society. He served the punishment that was given to him. I see no reason why his right to earn a living in the country he was born be taken awayQuote:
Originally Posted by #1FightFan
Of course, that's also the same as every innocent person's story. It doesn't mean he did it; it just doesn't provide much of a reason for thinking he didn't do it, either.
The reasons for thinking he did do it vary. He has looked markedly worse in his last three fights than he did previously. That's pretty flimsy, but it's something. (And it's not flimsier than believing he's innocent because he says so).
Ultimately, it's a lot simpler than that, for me. First, we have his own statement that he would have known. If we accept that statement, then the only way he's innocent is if he had illegal wraps for the very first time ever against Cotto. And I don't believe it for the same reason I don't think the cops who beat the hell out of Rodney King never did it before. Because people who cheat/commit crimes don't usually get caught the first time they do it. Most people get caught after they've gotten away with something a bunch of times. With all the money on the line for winning a world championship, and building your reputation, we're supposed to believe that he (and/or Capetillo) never did it before for more than 40 fights, then when he's 30 years old, after winning multiple world titles, for the very first time ever, Capetillo decides he's going to cheat, he doesn't tell Margarito, and he happens to get caught that very time? It's possible, but on balance, I think it's a lot less likely.
LMAO Do you seriously believe that? That some one would use plaster just once? First of all Cotto beat mosley before he fought margarito so why would he be more afraid of Mosley. Obviously he's had that idea before lolQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaGotta be proved beyond reasonable doubt.. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
There.... I fixed it for you.
;)
Margo didnt need plaster to beat Cotto..
He had to shed 40 something pounds for Mosley due to all the partying he did after the Cotto victory so most of his training consisted of losing weight. Combined with the fact that they saw a major speed advantage of Mosley, plaster was their only way to get an edge.. That's why they plastered up just ONCE..
You couldnt have said it any better... PROPS!!Quote:
Originally Posted by LobowolfXXXThe flip side, is, take away the bias that some people have for Margarito, and what's the basis for accepting his story? The entirety of the evidence for Margarito's not knowing is that he says so. Well, of course he says so. That evidence can pretty much be discounted out of hand, as he has a bias in professing his innocence. Guess what Luis Resto's story was? He didn't know. Margarito's story is the same as every guilty person's story - "I didn't do it." (the exception being those whose guilt is so incontrovertible that they have to admit it and cut a deal)Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseYou're one of the few people here who opinions I ponder over when it opposes mine. Maybe I'm wrong? Is it possible? At times the possibility is there. Not on this one. This one I understand. You been following the sport a long time. I consider you a boxing fan. As oppose to just a certain fighters fan. Which is why I acknowledge them. Take away the bias and hatred towards the suspect I don't understand why it's so hard to accept Margarito's story about not knowing. I can't recall if you ever mention having fought before or not. In my lifetime I participated 22 amateur fights. I been around several fighters while they got there hands wrapped. Many times I seen fighters with there heads down. Eyes close. Alone with there thoughts. Others I seen with ear phones on. Into whatever they are listening to. I seen one fighter praying with his minister as he got his hands wrapped. Point is none were paying attention to the wrapping. Until now very few did. Margarito saying he didn't know is very believable. And normal. Why his excuse is laugh at and dismiss so easily to this day stumps meQuote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyI'm not a Cotto supporter & even bring their 1st fight into question. Margarito got caught with the wraps before the Mosley fight & thats all she wrote! He attempted to cheat in the worst way possible & is a disgrace to the sport imoQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI do tell it like I see it. And you know what I saw? I saw Cotto take 267 punches (237 of them power shots) from a much bigger man. Wraps were not needed to beat Cotto. 267 punches from a bigger, stronger fighter are gonna bust you up regardless. It amazes me how the Cotto groupies, the Margaito bashers and even Cotto himself always seem to ignore the fact that he took over 260 punches. And that just might be the reason he lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyI'm surprised to see you VD supporting a punk bitch like Margarito! You say a lot of fun stuff & tell it how you see it but I never thought you'd stick up for such a disgrace.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseHe served the punishment that was given to him. What more was he suppose to do? He didn't get to pick his punishment. It was given to him. And he served it. Case closeQuote:
Originally Posted by blegitWhat debt did he pay to "society"? Did he do time, work for a charity, do community service, or anything of merit towards society? And lets stop acting like his right to work was taken away. He was only suspended from "boxing" for a year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseEnough with the nonsense already. The man has paid his debt to society. He served the punishment that was given to him. I see no reason why his right to earn a living in the country he was born be taken awayQuote:
Originally Posted by #1FightFan
Of course, that's also the same as every innocent person's story. It doesn't mean he did it; it just doesn't provide much of a reason for thinking he didn't do it, either.
The reasons for thinking he did do it vary. He has looked markedly worse in his last three fights than he did previously. That's pretty flimsy, but it's something. (And it's not flimsier than believing he's innocent because he says so).
Ultimately, it's a lot simpler than that, for me. First, we have his own statement that he would have known. If we accept that statement, then the only way he's innocent is if he had illegal wraps for the very first time ever against Cotto. And I don't believe it for the same reason I don't think the cops who beat the hell out of Rodney King never did it before. Because people who cheat/commit crimes don't usually get caught the first time they do it. Most people get caught after they've gotten away with something a bunch of times. With all the money on the line for winning a world championship, and building your reputation, we're supposed to believe that he (and/or Capetillo) never did it before for more than 40 fights, then when he's 30 years old, after winning multiple world titles, for the very first time ever, Capetillo decides he's going to cheat, he doesn't tell Margarito, and he happens to get caught that very time? It's possible, but on balance, I think it's a lot less likely.
i reckon margacheato will lose on points
good to see roy the cheat jones is fighting again
anyone see James Cheatony lose to lebedev the other week?
and Evanda Holycheat probly wont give up just yet eh?
didnt margacheato lose to Shady Cheat Mosely?