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So basically Stalin made the communists bad? Lenin was no peach. Would Trotsky have been better? Maybe Missy will give you support....I personally can't get behind communism it goes against the whole "work hard and become successful" ideals that America believes in
im not defending his methods, im trying to explain the reason our government has the ability to turn its people against communism
if lenin wouldnt have died early and would have done what he said he would have, the soviet union would have run itself and no one man would have been the sole leader
it would have removed what our government points to as the reason communism is bad
Work hard and be sucesseful America believes in.
More like the " Cut Down, Step On, Use And Abuse everyone to make it to the top " that actually works.
Imo Communism died with Lennin.
damn rightQuote:
Originally Posted by Sheps
america is run by corporations,
they carry out the agenda of whatever polliticains can pass law that would hurt them
do you really believe clear channel thought that howard stern with about 3 people editing the show before it got to thier airwaves was "indecent"?
I believe you are wrong about the part where you said it would have run itself. Lenin deviated drastically from Marx, Hegle and Engels. He set up a mechanism to be run by elites. He did not trust the common Russian. I repeat my question, what is your source? What are you reading that made you reach this conclusion?Quote:
Originally Posted by SalTheButcher
yea kind of, Marxism-Leninism and later the Maoists were what made communism a scourge upon the earth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
the great majority of Americans do not follow the cut down method. Only bad people follow that. As a matter of fact there is a very real American trait that believes in work hard and make it to the top.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheps
What is the love affair with Lenin? Lenin actually said it was necessary to beat people to get them to follow communism. Let me see if I can find the quote
Lennin was unconditionally loved by his people.
In fact i believe no large scale leader in history has been as loved by his/her people then Lennin was.
please, I can name three leaders that were loved tremendously.
what about Allende, Roosevelt, what about ME
I guess that we can agree to disagree comrades sheps and sal
I just leave you with this. Tis was Lenin who instituted state terror through his secret police to oppress the populace. It was him who influenced untold communists to do whatever it took to impose communism upon a people.
hope this helps
lenin was scared that someone would convince the people they were of royal blood, it was touchy cuz the royal family he had slaughtered was able to stay in power cuz people actually believed they were descended from god, and if just one person managed to convince the population they were from that bloodline it was likley the peopel would revolt
There are more rags to riches stories here than in the USSR or China.
Capitalism = Good
Communism = Bad
And the world keeps on spinnin
thats EXACTLY what im talking about, thats accepted as fact here, so much that just implying a country may turn communist is enough to get alot of people ok with a warQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
I'm not saying Capitalism is for everyone...but don't come bogart our stuff if your communist.....China, I'm looking at you!
china has no reason to go to war with us, and russia cant afford a war