Re: Who Hatton wants to fight.....
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Originally Posted by LawHoops
i just dont see how a guy with no defense, no jab, an average chin, below average power, and zero techinique --speaking of ricky hatton---can be considered such a great fighter and a p4per................compare him with gatti who has a great jab, decent technique, solid chin, tremendous heart and desire second to none, very good power, good footwork, and a commitment to going to the body...how can gatti be considered an underdog when hes the bigger, stronger, guy with better technique? i just dont get it....
That is such bullshit. You have clearly never seen Ricky Hatton before his last couple of fights. Early in his career, some of the things that marked him out and created a buzz around the British boxing seen were PRECISELY his FOOTWORK and TECHNIQUE. He had great lateral movement, found wicked angles and mixed up his attack superbly. And a guy with a 75% KO ratio does not have no power. AND how the fook does he have an average chin - he has a great chin: 1 flash kd in 41 fights and Kostya didn't so much as wobble him.
I will admit, that since the KT fight, he seems to have got slightly stuck in the mindset that won him that fight, and needs to get back to the old Ricky somewhat.
However, it is indisputable that Ricky Hatton would start as a betting favourite against Arturo Gatti, even you cannot dispute that. Gatti is NOT bigger - he used to be a SUPER-FOOKING-FEATHERWEIGHT, I seriously doubt he is stronger and on top of that he is a spent force.Ricky Hatton is an undefeated, two-weight, triple world champion and that is why Gatti is an underdog
Re: Who Hatton wants to fight.....
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Originally Posted by MRMANICK
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Originally Posted by berttrauttman
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Originally Posted by LawHoops
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Originally Posted by The Game
Hatton who reportedly suffered a broken nose and a bruised left eye from his winning the WBA welterweight title from Luiz Cozallo, is not ruling out a rematch, but also indicated he's not all that interested because he already beat Collazo.
Quoted in the BBC (UK), Hatton had this to say in regards to a rematch: "I'm not saying I won't fight Collazo again but, to be honest, I fought Collazo and I beat him."
Hatton added: "I'd much rather fight the winner of Gatti-Baldomir or Mayweather, or go back down to light welter and fight Cotto or Corrales and Castillo."
Hatton was quoted in another UK Newspaper. In David Anderson's column for the mirror.co.uk, Hatton said: "If a fight with the winner of Castillo and Corrales comes up, that would be good."
http://www.doghouseboxing.com/Chee/Chee0520b06.htm
Fighting Gatti would do and prove absolutely nothing and wow,what a surprise,last week,Antonio Margarito was on that list wasn't he?
based on what i saw vs collazo gatti would have an easy time handling hatton----i beleive gatti would easily knock him TFO
I really don't know why you keep posting all this rubbish about Ricky Hatton. Fair enough, he didn't look good in his last fight, and there may be an argument that
he is not as good p4p as we thought before the fight. But for fooks sake, the guy has won
three major world titles at two different weights in his last three fights, in the process dethroning a p4p legend in Tszyu. Arturo Gatti is a game fighter, and a legend in his own right - but in a crowd-pleasing sense, not in terms of talent.
Prime for prime, Gatti isn't in Hatton's class, and as for the present moment, don't talk such shite.
I agree with the first statement and i respect that you can admit that. :)But as far statemet number 2 we both know that only 1 of those titles really meant anything and that was tszyus. And the last statement. Well the verdict is still out because the truth is hatton has not yet fought a good fighter in his prime. Tszyu was a great but not in his prime and all the others before him were blown up lightweights and past their prime junior welters. If anything the one fighter he did fight that was near his prime was Collazo and he barely beat him.Hatton fans like to call anyone who says negative about him hatton haters but i'm not hating just giving the facts and if anyone don't agree that these are the facts then they need to take off the hatton glasses please before they make you go fully blind.
Look, I'm not saying Hatton would beat Floyd, or even Tony, or EVEN Cotto (even though I think he would beat cotto at least). Im saying that it is ridiculous that people can assert that Hatton would get "knocked the fuck out" by wizened old Arturo Gatti. ::**
Re: Who Hatton wants to fight.....
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Originally Posted by berttrauttman
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Originally Posted by LawHoops
i just dont see how a guy with no defense, no jab, an average chin, below average power, and zero techinique --speaking of ricky hatton---can be considered such a great fighter and a p4per................compare him with gatti who has a great jab, decent technique, solid chin, tremendous heart and desire second to none, very good power, good footwork, and a commitment to going to the body...how can gatti be considered an underdog when hes the bigger, stronger, guy with better technique? i just dont get it....
That is such bullshit.
You have clearly never seen Ricky Hatton before his last couple of fights. Early in his career, some of the things that marked him out and created a buzz around the British boxing seen were PRECISELY his FOOTWORK and TECHNIQUE. He had great lateral movement, found wicked angles and mixed up his attack superbly. And a guy with a 75% KO ratio does not have no power. AND how the fook does he have an average chin - he has a great chin: 1 flash kd in 41 fights and Kostya didn't so much as wobble him.
I will admit, that since the KT fight, he seems to have got slightly stuck in the mindset that won him that fight, and needs to get back to the old Ricky somewhat.
However, it is indisputable that Ricky Hatton would start as a betting favourite against Arturo Gatti, even you cannot dispute that. Gatti is NOT bigger - he used to be a SUPER-FOOKING-FEATHERWEIGHT, I seriously doubt he is stronger and on top of that he is a spent force.
Ricky Hatton is an undefeated, two-weight, triple world champion and that is why Gatti is an underdog
You are right but the question i will ask is Who did he do these things to? Was it against real good fighters or blown up lightweights and past their prime jwws. Everyone on his resume before tszyu were nobodies and everyone after have been nobodies.
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Originally Posted by berttrauttman
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Originally Posted by MRMANICK
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Originally Posted by berttrauttman
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Originally Posted by LawHoops
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Originally Posted by The Game
Hatton who reportedly suffered a broken nose and a bruised left eye from his winning the WBA welterweight title from Luiz Cozallo, is not ruling out a rematch, but also indicated he's not all that interested because he already beat Collazo.
Quoted in the BBC (UK), Hatton had this to say in regards to a rematch: "I'm not saying I won't fight Collazo again but, to be honest, I fought Collazo and I beat him."
Hatton added: "I'd much rather fight the winner of Gatti-Baldomir or Mayweather, or go back down to light welter and fight Cotto or Corrales and Castillo."
Hatton was quoted in another UK Newspaper. In David Anderson's column for the mirror.co.uk, Hatton said: "If a fight with the winner of Castillo and Corrales comes up, that would be good."
http://www.doghouseboxing.com/Chee/Chee0520b06.htm
Fighting Gatti would do and prove absolutely nothing and wow,what a surprise,last week,Antonio Margarito was on that list wasn't he?
based on what i saw vs collazo gatti would have an easy time handling hatton----i beleive gatti would easily knock him TFO
I really don't know why you keep posting all this rubbish about Ricky Hatton. Fair enough, he didn't look good in his last fight, and there may be an argument that
he is not as good p4p as we thought before the fight. But for fooks sake, the guy has won
three major world titles at two different weights in his last three fights, in the process dethroning a p4p legend in Tszyu. Arturo Gatti is a game fighter, and a legend in his own right - but in a crowd-pleasing sense, not in terms of talent.
Prime for prime, Gatti isn't in Hatton's class, and as for the present moment, don't talk such shite.
I agree with the first statement and i respect that you can admit that. :)But as far statemet number 2 we both know that only 1 of those titles really meant anything and that was tszyus. And the last statement. Well the verdict is still out because the truth is hatton has not yet fought a good fighter in his prime. Tszyu was a great but not in his prime and all the others before him were blown up lightweights and past their prime junior welters. If anything the one fighter he did fight that was near his prime was Collazo and he barely beat him.Hatton fans like to call anyone who says negative about him hatton haters but i'm not hating just giving the facts and if anyone don't agree that these are the facts then they need to take off the hatton glasses please before they make you go fully blind.
Look, I'm not saying Hatton would beat Floyd, or even Tony, or EVEN Cotto (even though I think he would beat cotto at least).
Im saying that it is ridiculous that people can assert that Hatton would get "knocked the F*** out" by wizened old Arturo Gatti. ::**
I'm not saying gatti would knock him out. I'm saying that gatti and hatton are alot closer skill wise than hatton fans would like to admit.
Re: Who Hatton wants to fight.....
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Originally Posted by MRMANICK
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Originally Posted by berttrauttman
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Originally Posted by LawHoops
i just dont see how a guy with no defense, no jab, an average chin, below average power, and zero techinique --speaking of ricky hatton---can be considered such a great fighter and a p4per................compare him with gatti who has a great jab, decent technique, solid chin, tremendous heart and desire second to none, very good power, good footwork, and a commitment to going to the body...how can gatti be considered an underdog when hes the bigger, stronger, guy with better technique? i just dont get it....
That is such bullshit.
You have clearly never seen Ricky Hatton before his last couple of fights. Early in his career, some of the things that marked him out and created a buzz around the British boxing seen were PRECISELY his FOOTWORK and TECHNIQUE. He had great lateral movement, found wicked angles and mixed up his attack superbly. And a guy with a 75% KO ratio does not have no power. AND how the fook does he have an average chin - he has a great chin: 1 flash kd in 41 fights and Kostya didn't so much as wobble him.
I will admit, that since the KT fight, he seems to have got slightly stuck in the mindset that won him that fight, and needs to get back to the old Ricky somewhat.
However, it is indisputable that Ricky Hatton would start as a betting favourite against Arturo Gatti, even you cannot dispute that. Gatti is NOT bigger - he used to be a SUPER-FOOKING-FEATHERWEIGHT, I seriously doubt he is stronger and on top of that he is a spent force.
Ricky Hatton is an undefeated, two-weight, triple world champion and that is why Gatti is an underdog
You are right but the question i will ask is Who did he do these things to? Was it against real good fighters or blown up lightweights and past their prime jwws. Everyone on his resume before tszyu were nobodies and everyone after have been nobodies.
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Originally Posted by berttrauttman
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Originally Posted by MRMANICK
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Originally Posted by berttrauttman
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Originally Posted by LawHoops
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Originally Posted by The Game
Hatton who reportedly suffered a broken nose and a bruised left eye from his winning the WBA welterweight title from Luiz Cozallo, is not ruling out a rematch, but also indicated he's not all that interested because he already beat Collazo.
Quoted in the BBC (UK), Hatton had this to say in regards to a rematch: "I'm not saying I won't fight Collazo again but, to be honest, I fought Collazo and I beat him."
Hatton added: "I'd much rather fight the winner of Gatti-Baldomir or Mayweather, or go back down to light welter and fight Cotto or Corrales and Castillo."
Hatton was quoted in another UK Newspaper. In David Anderson's column for the mirror.co.uk, Hatton said: "If a fight with the winner of Castillo and Corrales comes up, that would be good."
http://www.doghouseboxing.com/Chee/Chee0520b06.htm
Fighting Gatti would do and prove absolutely nothing and wow,what a surprise,last week,Antonio Margarito was on that list wasn't he?
based on what i saw vs collazo gatti would have an easy time handling hatton----i beleive gatti would easily knock him TFO
I really don't know why you keep posting all this rubbish about Ricky Hatton. Fair enough, he didn't look good in his last fight, and there may be an argument that
he is not as good p4p as we thought before the fight. But for fooks sake, the guy has won
three major world titles at two different weights in his last three fights, in the process dethroning a p4p legend in Tszyu. Arturo Gatti is a game fighter, and a legend in his own right - but in a crowd-pleasing sense, not in terms of talent.
Prime for prime, Gatti isn't in Hatton's class, and as for the present moment, don't talk such shite.
I agree with the first statement and i respect that you can admit that. :)But as far statemet number 2 we both know that only 1 of those titles really meant anything and that was tszyus. And the last statement. Well the verdict is still out because the truth is hatton has not yet fought a good fighter in his prime. Tszyu was a great but not in his prime and all the others before him were blown up lightweights and past their prime junior welters. If anything the one fighter he did fight that was near his prime was Collazo and he barely beat him.Hatton fans like to call anyone who says negative about him hatton haters but i'm not hating just giving the facts and if anyone don't agree that these are the facts then they need to take off the hatton glasses please before they make you go fully blind.
Look, I'm not saying Hatton would beat Floyd, or even Tony, or EVEN Cotto (even though I think he would beat cotto at least).
Im saying that it is ridiculous that people can assert that Hatton would get "knocked the F*** out" by wizened old Arturo Gatti. ::**
I'm not saying gatti would knock him out. I'm saying that gatti and hatton are alot closer skill wise than hatton fans would like to admit.
Fine. I respect but disagree with that viewpoint. I also think it's unfair to call everyone on RH's resume nobodies. For instance, Ben Tackie, Vince Phillips, Carlos Maussa, Luis Collazo and even Eamonn McGee aren't nobodies, they're just not pound-for-pounders. And two of those 5 were world champions.
Also, Honey Nut Loops did say he'd knock him out, and I was addressing him too.
Re: Who Hatton wants to fight.....
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Originally Posted by berttrauttman
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Originally Posted by MRMANICK
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Originally Posted by berttrauttman
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Originally Posted by LawHoops
i just dont see how a guy with no defense, no jab, an average chin, below average power, and zero techinique --speaking of ricky hatton---can be considered such a great fighter and a p4per................compare him with gatti who has a great jab, decent technique, solid chin, tremendous heart and desire second to none, very good power, good footwork, and a commitment to going to the body...how can gatti be considered an underdog when hes the bigger, stronger, guy with better technique? i just dont get it....
That is such bullshit.
You have clearly never seen Ricky Hatton before his last couple of fights. Early in his career, some of the things that marked him out and created a buzz around the British boxing seen were PRECISELY his FOOTWORK and TECHNIQUE. He had great lateral movement, found wicked angles and mixed up his attack superbly. And a guy with a 75% KO ratio does not have no power. AND how the fook does he have an average chin - he has a great chin: 1 flash kd in 41 fights and Kostya didn't so much as wobble him.
I will admit, that since the KT fight, he seems to have got slightly stuck in the mindset that won him that fight, and needs to get back to the old Ricky somewhat.
However, it is indisputable that Ricky Hatton would start as a betting favourite against Arturo Gatti, even you cannot dispute that. Gatti is NOT bigger - he used to be a SUPER-FOOKING-FEATHERWEIGHT, I seriously doubt he is stronger and on top of that he is a spent force.
Ricky Hatton is an undefeated, two-weight, triple world champion and that is why Gatti is an underdog
You are right but the question i will ask is Who did he do these things to? Was it against real good fighters or blown up lightweights and past their prime jwws. Everyone on his resume before tszyu were nobodies and everyone after have been nobodies.
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Originally Posted by berttrauttman
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Originally Posted by MRMANICK
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Originally Posted by berttrauttman
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Originally Posted by LawHoops
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Originally Posted by The Game
Hatton who reportedly suffered a broken nose and a bruised left eye from his winning the WBA welterweight title from Luiz Cozallo, is not ruling out a rematch, but also indicated he's not all that interested because he already beat Collazo.
Quoted in the BBC (UK), Hatton had this to say in regards to a rematch: "I'm not saying I won't fight Collazo again but, to be honest, I fought Collazo and I beat him."
Hatton added: "I'd much rather fight the winner of Gatti-Baldomir or Mayweather, or go back down to light welter and fight Cotto or Corrales and Castillo."
Hatton was quoted in another UK Newspaper. In David Anderson's column for the mirror.co.uk, Hatton said: "If a fight with the winner of Castillo and Corrales comes up, that would be good."
http://www.doghouseboxing.com/Chee/Chee0520b06.htm
Fighting Gatti would do and prove absolutely nothing and wow,what a surprise,last week,Antonio Margarito was on that list wasn't he?
based on what i saw vs collazo gatti would have an easy time handling hatton----i beleive gatti would easily knock him TFO
I really don't know why you keep posting all this rubbish about Ricky Hatton. Fair enough, he didn't look good in his last fight, and there may be an argument that
he is not as good p4p as we thought before the fight. But for fooks sake, the guy has won
three major world titles at two different weights in his last three fights, in the process dethroning a p4p legend in Tszyu. Arturo Gatti is a game fighter, and a legend in his own right - but in a crowd-pleasing sense, not in terms of talent.
Prime for prime, Gatti isn't in Hatton's class, and as for the present moment, don't talk such shite.
I agree with the first statement and i respect that you can admit that. :)But as far statemet number 2 we both know that only 1 of those titles really meant anything and that was tszyus. And the last statement. Well the verdict is still out because the truth is hatton has not yet fought a good fighter in his prime. Tszyu was a great but not in his prime and all the others before him were blown up lightweights and past their prime junior welters. If anything the one fighter he did fight that was near his prime was Collazo and he barely beat him.Hatton fans like to call anyone who says negative about him hatton haters but i'm not hating just giving the facts and if anyone don't agree that these are the facts then they need to take off the hatton glasses please before they make you go fully blind.
Look, I'm not saying Hatton would beat Floyd, or even Tony, or EVEN Cotto (even though I think he would beat cotto at least).
Im saying that it is ridiculous that people can assert that Hatton would get "knocked the F*** out" by wizened old Arturo Gatti. ::**
I'm not saying gatti would knock him out. I'm saying that gatti and hatton are alot closer skill wise than hatton fans would like to admit.
Fine. I respect but disagree with that viewpoint. I also think it's unfair to call everyone on RH's resume nobodies.
For instance, Ben Tackie, Vince Phillips, Carlos Maussa, Luis Collazo and even Eamonn McGee aren't nobodies, they're just not pound-for-pounders. And two of those 5 were world champions.
Also, Honey Nut Loops did say he'd knock him out, and I was addressing him too.
Come on. Your talkin about tackie who had 4 wide points loses before he met hatton. Vince phillips who was an ex-addict who was koed by millet and also lost a couple of wide points deceisions before he met hatton. Maussa come on he got koed by Cotto when cotto was still very green. Collazo is a prospect/contender and you know it. I won't even waste my time on Mcgee
Re: Who Hatton wants to fight.....
They're solid fighters. No boxer in history has a resume made up entirely of all-time-greats and Hatton's only been in three world title fights.
And since we were talking about Gatti, he's only ever fought two great fighters and been battered by both.
Re: Who Hatton wants to fight.....
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They're solid fighters. No boxer in history has a resume made up entirely of all-time-greats and Hatton's only been in three world title fights.
This is all true. My question is, given these facts, why is Ricky Hatton entitled to high p4p status? I'm not here to say he's shit or any such nonsense, but if we can all agree that he's fought a few "solid" fighters, one great fighter who was coming off a long layoff at the end of his career, and only three title fights, why do fans get so belligerant when anyone questions whether maybe he hasn't shown enough to be talked about as some kind of p4p king? He may well prove himself to belong there at some point, and I'm not ready to dismiss him out of hand based on his very close fight with Collazo, but I just don't see him being there now.
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They're solid fighters. No boxer in history has a resume made up entirely of all-time-greats and Hatton's only been in three world title fights.
This is all true. My question is, given these facts, why is Ricky Hatton entitled to high p4p status? I'm not here to say he's S*** or any such nonsense, but if we can all agree that he's fought a few "solid" fighters, one great fighter who was coming off a long layoff at the end of his career, and only three title fights, why do fans get so belligerant when anyone questions whether maybe he hasn't shown enough to be talked about as some kind of p4p king? He may well prove himself to belong there at some point, and I'm not ready to dismiss him out of hand based on his very close fight with Collazo, but I just don't see him being there
now.
The reason he has to be in the p4p is because he DID beat one of the best fighters in the world, he's undefeated, he's won three major world titles and moved up in weight to win the last one. I don't think you have to beat ten hall of famers before you can be considered one of the best in the world, at the present moment. If I was arguing for him to be an all time great then yes, you do. But the way I see it his status has risen thus:
38 fights against steadily improving opponents, winning domestic and minor world honors made him a top contender in what was widely recognised as the strongest weight division. So already this must put him in the top 20 or so. Then beat the best guy in the best division to become the linear champ > top ten, as long as he proved it wasn't a fluke. Two more fights, two more major titles > top ten. Stick on.
