Re: Far fetched Thought:Could Bruce Lee have been a Lightweight Champ??
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Originally Posted by Taeth
Bruce Lee wasn't faster than the eye... Roy Jones was faster, Mayweather is faster WITH gloves. Bruce Lee is overhyped... Anyone could do his one inch punch, and I saw his sparring tapes he wasn't impressive at all. And the most important note is he never fought anybody that was a world class fighter.
you are so on this.....Bruce Lee was the most overhyped person on this earth....he was never good at actual fighting..which is why he never participated in world championships...he was about form..and asthetics...it was all about the look and camera angles....besides most martial artists suck a** and can't fight for sh*t anyway.(i'm talking about all those kids you see at every YMCA or Athletic club picking their a** and not paying attention..they know they are getting a belt because their parents are paying for it) types......just how qualified were those individuals Bruce Lee "sparred" with anyway?..
Re: Far fetched Thought:Could Bruce Lee have been a Lightweight Champ??
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Originally Posted by maracho
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Originally Posted by southpaw1991
he fought many world class kickboxing and martial arts world champs. because he was a gifted martial artist he would sure of beat any boxer in his weight in a street fight because he could use fists, legs, knees, elbows etc. although im not sure how he would of been in boxing.i think its true he may of had the fastest hands EVER. he had all the tools but it would just of been a matter of time before he learned the art of boxing(which i would think is much easier than kung fu). if he could do that......who knows. maybe the greatest ever, but we'll never know
Then why in ultimate fighting do the strikers like chuck ladell usually beat the kung fu guys or whatever you call them?
I am not saying that the best boxers would always win against these guys because I would really like to see because some good boxers can not take a ground and pound.
Show me a striker who doesn't use wrestling's sprawls, or at least Brazilian Jiu Jitsu on the ground to keep a good guard and get back to standing, and I'll show you a fighter who taps more than a tap dancer. ;D. Striking alone is almost futile against a competent grappler. I don't know much about Bruce Lee's style, but if it never included grappling, or at least defensive grappling, he wouldn't do so well in modern mixed martial arts. Chuck Liddel is known as one of the UFC's best strikers. He also happens to have one of the best sprawls which allows him to keep the fight on the feet and in his range.
Boxing... well that's a different story. And to the person who said boxing is easier than kung fu... I really don't think so. To be a very good boxer you need much more physical talent than you do in kung fu or other traditional martial arts. Learning how to throw each punch isn't so hard, mastering each punch and learning the mental aspect of boxing (the biggest part) is a looong and painful process.
Re: Far fetched Thought:Could Bruce Lee have been a Lightweight Champ??
I would bet that calzaghe or Hopkinss would wip the living poop out of any of them ultimate fighters anywhere anytime but I am not 100% sure of this because like i said there are some good fighters who can't do a thing once they are on the ground.
Re: Far fetched Thought:Could Bruce Lee have been a Lightweight Champ??
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Originally Posted by YounGun
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Originally Posted by maracho
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Originally Posted by southpaw1991
he fought many world class kickboxing and martial arts world champs. because he was a gifted martial artist he would sure of beat any boxer in his weight in a street fight because he could use fists, legs, knees, elbows etc. although im not sure how he would of been in boxing.i think its true he may of had the fastest hands EVER. he had all the tools but it would just of been a matter of time before he learned the art of boxing(which i would think is much easier than kung fu). if he could do that......who knows. maybe the greatest ever, but we'll never know
Then why in ultimate fighting do the strikers like chuck ladell usually beat the kung fu guys or whatever you call them?
I am not saying that the best boxers would always win against these guys because I would really like to see because some good boxers can not take a ground and pound.
Show me a striker who doesn't use wrestling's sprawls, or at least Brazilian Jiu Jitsu on the ground to keep a good guard and get back to standing, and I'll show you a fighter who taps more than a tap dancer.  ;D.  Striking alone is almost futile against a competent grappler.  I don't know much about Bruce Lee's style, but if it never included grappling, or at least defensive grappling, he wouldn't do so well in modern mixed martial arts.  Chuck Liddel is known as one of the UFC's best strikers.  He also happens to have one of the best sprawls which allows him to keep the fight on the feet and in his range.
Boxing... well that's a different story.  And to the person who said boxing is easier than kung fu... I really don't think so.  To be a very good boxer you need much more physical talent than you do in kung fu or other traditional martial arts.  Learning how to throw each punch isn't so hard, mastering each punch and learning the mental aspect of boxing (the biggest part) is a looong and painful process.
actually 4th range of Jeet Kune Do is Grappling
Look at this sight for more explanation this is were I train  http://www.psdtc.com/JKD/
Re: Far fetched Thought:Could Bruce Lee have been a Lightweight Champ??
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Originally Posted by jtrock
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Originally Posted by YounGun
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Originally Posted by maracho
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Originally Posted by southpaw1991
he fought many world class kickboxing and martial arts world champs. because he was a gifted martial artist he would sure of beat any boxer in his weight in a street fight because he could use fists, legs, knees, elbows etc. although im not sure how he would of been in boxing.i think its true he may of had the fastest hands EVER. he had all the tools but it would just of been a matter of time before he learned the art of boxing(which i would think is much easier than kung fu). if he could do that......who knows. maybe the greatest ever, but we'll never know
Then why in ultimate fighting do the strikers like chuck ladell usually beat the kung fu guys or whatever you call them?
I am not saying that the best boxers would always win against these guys because I would really like to see because some good boxers can not take a ground and pound.
Show me a striker who doesn't use wrestling's sprawls, or at least Brazilian Jiu Jitsu on the ground to keep a good guard and get back to standing, and I'll show you a fighter who taps more than a tap dancer. ;D. Striking alone is almost futile against a competent grappler. I don't know much about Bruce Lee's style, but if it never included grappling, or at least defensive grappling, he wouldn't do so well in modern mixed martial arts. Chuck Liddel is known as one of the UFC's best strikers. He also happens to have one of the best sprawls which allows him to keep the fight on the feet and in his range.
Boxing... well that's a different story. And to the person who said boxing is easier than kung fu... I really don't think so. To be a very good boxer you need much more physical talent than you do in kung fu or other traditional martial arts. Learning how to throw each punch isn't so hard, mastering each punch and learning the mental aspect of boxing (the biggest part) is a looong and painful process.
actually 4th range of Jeet Kune Do is Grappling
Look at this sight for more explanation this is were I train
http://www.psdtc.com/JKD/
I think that I could wip thoughs guys in the photobut then never judge a book by the cover :laugh:
Re: Far fetched Thought:Could Bruce Lee have been a Lightweight Champ??
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Originally Posted by bigragu
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Originally Posted by Taeth
Bruce Lee wasn't faster than the eye... Roy Jones was faster, Mayweather is faster WITH gloves. Bruce Lee is overhyped... Anyone could do his one inch punch, and I saw his sparring tapes he wasn't impressive at all. And the most important note is he never fought anybody that was a world class fighter.
you are so on this.....Bruce Lee was the most overhyped person on this earth....he was never good at actual fighting..which is why he never participated in world championships...he was about form..and asthetics...it was all about the look and camera angles....besides most martial artists suck a** and can't fight for sh*t anyway.(i'm talking about all those kids you see at every YMCA or Athletic club picking their a** and not paying attention..they know they are getting a belt because their parents are paying for it) types......just how qualified were those individuals Bruce Lee "sparred" with anyway?..
I dont want to bang heads with you brother but your wrong about Bruce and his style, just please do research
on the subject before you post
Were I train http://www.psdtc.com/JKD/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Inosanto
http://www.tv.com/dan-inosanto/perso...biography.html
http://www.jkdassoc.com/
I hardly train at a cookie cutter McDojo were we break boards and go HI YA!!!! while picking our noses This is the real deal..We have the only school of its kind in CT with sold credentials in Jun fan Gung Fu/ Jeet Kune Do
Re: Far fetched Thought:Could Bruce Lee have been a Lightweight Champ??
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Originally Posted by maracho
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Originally Posted by jtrock
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Originally Posted by YounGun
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Originally Posted by maracho
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Originally Posted by southpaw1991
he fought many world class kickboxing and martial arts world champs. because he was a gifted martial artist he would sure of beat any boxer in his weight in a street fight because he could use fists, legs, knees, elbows etc. although im not sure how he would of been in boxing.i think its true he may of had the fastest hands EVER. he had all the tools but it would just of been a matter of time before he learned the art of boxing(which i would think is much easier than kung fu). if he could do that......who knows. maybe the greatest ever, but we'll never know
Then why in ultimate fighting do the strikers like chuck ladell usually beat the kung fu guys or whatever you call them?
I am not saying that the best boxers would always win against these guys because I would really like to see because some good boxers can not take a ground and pound.
Show me a striker who doesn't use wrestling's sprawls, or at least Brazilian Jiu Jitsu on the ground to keep a good guard and get back to standing, and I'll show you a fighter who taps more than a tap dancer. ;D. Striking alone is almost futile against a competent grappler. I don't know much about Bruce Lee's style, but if it never included grappling, or at least defensive grappling, he wouldn't do so well in modern mixed martial arts. Chuck Liddel is known as one of the UFC's best strikers. He also happens to have one of the best sprawls which allows him to keep the fight on the feet and in his range.
Boxing... well that's a different story. And to the person who said boxing is easier than kung fu... I really don't think so. To be a very good boxer you need much more physical talent than you do in kung fu or other traditional martial arts. Learning how to throw each punch isn't so hard, mastering each punch and learning the mental aspect of boxing (the biggest part) is a looong and painful process.
actually 4th range of Jeet Kune Do is Grappling
Look at this sight for more explanation this is were I train
http://www.psdtc.com/JKD/
I think that I could wip thoughs guys in the photobut then never judge a book by the cover :laugh:
Well champ the address is there pay us a visit sometime
Re: Far fetched Thought:Could Bruce Lee have been a Lightweight Champ??
I was was just joshen with ya but i would like to find ap[lace to try out some of that ultimate fighting stuff.
Re: Far fetched Thought:Could Bruce Lee have been a Lightweight Champ??
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Originally Posted by jtrock
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Originally Posted by Taeth
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Originally Posted by southpaw1991
i think its true he may of had the fastest hands EVER.
Have you seen featherweight boxers(Pacquio) without their gloves on shadowboxing? Half of his movies Bruce used angles to make his punches look faster and he still looks slower than Pacquio or Mayweather do shadow boxing.
Again this a speculative thread not based on actual fact,you just like me cant say he could or would of done anything this was designed to stimulate an intelligent conversation not a thread so people would discredit and put Bruce down or Worship him...Stick to the format and the facts
You stick to facts... You are labelling him as tremendous power, and super quick hands, but its based on what you've seen. How many knockouts does Bruce Lee have? WHo has he foughten? I am only discrediting Bruce Lee when people say his the best fighter to ever live and that he is a god of martial arts because he wasn't a god.
Re: Far fetched Thought:Could Bruce Lee have been a Lightweight Champ??
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Originally Posted by maracho
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Originally Posted by southpaw1991
he fought many world class kickboxing and martial arts world champs. because he was a gifted martial artist he would sure of beat any boxer in his weight in a street fight because he could use fists, legs, knees, elbows etc. although im not sure how he would of been in boxing.i think its true he may of had the fastest hands EVER. he had all the tools but it would just of been a matter of time before he learned the art of boxing(which i would think is much easier than kung fu). if he could do that......who knows. maybe the greatest ever, but we'll never know
Then why in ultimate fighting do the strikers like chuck ladell usually beat the kung fu guys or whatever you call them?
I am not saying that the best boxers would always win against these guys because I would really like to see because some good boxers can not take a ground and pound.
First Bruce Lee wasn't a great grapler and second he wasn't really a kung fu fighter... He created his own style of fighting that basically incoporated many styles, and took the best from each one... or what he thought was the best from each one. When he fought he fought similar to how my master does only he did so on a lower level.
Re: Far fetched Thought:Could Bruce Lee have been a Lightweight Champ??
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Originally Posted by jtrock
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Originally Posted by bigragu
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Originally Posted by Taeth
Bruce Lee wasn't faster than the eye... Roy Jones was faster, Mayweather is faster WITH gloves. Bruce Lee is overhyped... Anyone could do his one inch punch, and I saw his sparring tapes he wasn't impressive at all. And the most important note is he never fought anybody that was a world class fighter.
you are so on this.....Bruce Lee was the most overhyped person on this earth....he was never good at actual fighting..which is why he never participated in world championships...he was about form..and asthetics...it was all about the look and camera angles....besides most martial artists suck a** and can't fight for sh*t anyway.(i'm talking about all those kids you see at every YMCA or Athletic club picking their a** and not paying attention..they know they are getting a belt because their parents are paying for it) types......just how qualified were those individuals Bruce Lee "sparred" with anyway?..
I dont want to bang heads with you brother but your wrong about Bruce and his style, just please do research
on the subject before you post
Were I train
http://www.psdtc.com/JKD/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Inosanto
http://www.tv.com/dan-inosanto/perso...biography.html
http://www.jkdassoc.com/
I hardly train at a cookie cutter McDojo were we break boards and go HI YA!!!! while picking our noses This is the real deal..We have the only school of its kind in CT with sold credentials in Jun fan Gung Fu/ Jeet Kune Do
I know alot about Bruce Lee don't discount my knowledge he used to be my "hero" if I ever had one. I realised though that he wasn't quite the best but a brilliant martial artist all the same. If he would have lived longer he would have found out alot more and could have become the best martial artist ever with his determination and drive, but he wasn't there yet. To put him in a boxing ring is just silly. People that boxers consentrate on their sport with as much dedication as Bruce Lee did his training just they did more sparring with better opponents, and didn't incoporate martial arts... Boxers work with their hands thats what they live through its their art, and almost nobody could beat a boxer at what they do p4p. That being said if Bruce Lee started boxing a young age he would be good.. maybe we don't know what his chin is like and just how hard he cracks with gloves on.
Re: Far fetched Thought:Could Bruce Lee have been a Lightweight Champ??
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Originally Posted by Taeth
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Originally Posted by jtrock
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Originally Posted by Taeth
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Originally Posted by southpaw1991
i think its true he may of had the fastest hands EVER.
Have you seen featherweight boxers(Pacquio) without their gloves on shadowboxing? Half of his movies Bruce used angles to make his punches look faster and he still looks slower than Pacquio or Mayweather do shadow boxing.
Again this a speculative thread not based on actual fact,you just like me cant say he could or would of done anything  this was designed to stimulate an intelligent conversation not a thread so people would  discredit and put Bruce down or Worship him...Stick to the format and the facts
You stick to facts... You are labelling him as tremendous power, and super quick hands, but its based on what you've seen. How many knockouts does Bruce Lee have? WHo has he foughten? I am only discrediting Bruce Lee when people say his the best fighter to ever live and that he is a god of martial arts because he wasn't a god.
Not taking the word God literally...But who is?? in the last 40-50yrs who has been better??? The point of JKD was to be profecient in all ranges combat and to be able to survive in any circumstance...
Look around you man his style is condusive to MMA isint it they can fight close range medium range,grappling range to be a complete fighter who can thrive in any circumstance
In whoever said Bruce was all about forms is BULLSHITE!!!!! Bruce was all about handling biz not just meditating under a waterfull...He was a non conformist and hated the politics in the martial arts community at his time.He was always being chastised and Attaked Literally by his own countryman for teaching the arts to us americans!!!!! He was constantly evolving up into his death and his ways are still evolving and being carried out thru his original students and proteges.....
Best way to put it "he planted a seed many years ago and has grown into the way martial arts are viewed and taught and done!!!! I am not talking about the way they teach at the YMCA,or the gross marketing of posers and diluted McDojo's that exist today
Back years ago Before there were law suits if you thought someones style was inferior to yours you would send a student or even go yourself and challenge in a real fight...Trust, Bruce was a real fighter and defended his Ideas he was a marked man,funny as that sounds but it's true
Re: Far fetched Thought:Could Bruce Lee have been a Lightweight Champ??
Bruce had 6 professional (forget where the link is) 6 wins, 5 by knockout. Can't tell you if they were bums or world class fighters.... Taeth he probably did have tremendous power and lightning quick hands/feet, but just not to the extent people like to claim. Things people say about him kicking a 150 pound heavybag and making it touch the ceiling or having to slow the cameras down on account of him being too fast are most than likely bullshit. Although you'd have to be naive to think he wasn't an exceptional martial artist and specimen of a human being. Against another trained fighter in THAT era he was probably very effective, things have evolved though. We have those same type of specimens today, they're just in another form and we get to see them in real situations. In boxing we've had someone like that, ever hear of Roy Jones? MMA has a guy like that, Fedor Emelianko is someone I'd call untouchable - 23 wins, 1 loss because of a cut (no loss at all). In mma do you have any Idea what kind of record that is? Fighting the best fighters on the planet and never tasting defeat - as good as he is though, he can be knocked out as it almost happend before. What did he do? He held on, gained his composure and retaliated. So to think Bruce Lee was untouchable is silly, he could be knocked out, and would probably be knocked out by bigger men like the Wanderlei Silva and Chuck Liddell's of the world. Who knows what kind of boxer he would of been. Definately an exceptional one, being exceptional doesn't keep you at #1, look how physically gifted Bernard Hopkins wasn't - he was on top of the world at one point :). You never know who mentally has it for this game, for all we know Wacko's mind is better equipped for boxing than Floyd Mayweather's.
Re: Far fetched Thought:Could Bruce Lee have been a Lightweight Champ??
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Originally Posted by Taeth
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Originally Posted by jtrock
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Originally Posted by bigragu
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Originally Posted by Taeth
Bruce Lee wasn't faster than the eye... Roy Jones was faster, Mayweather is faster WITH gloves. Bruce Lee is overhyped... Anyone could do his one inch punch, and I saw his sparring tapes he wasn't impressive at all. And the most important note is he never fought anybody that was a world class fighter.
you are so on this.....Bruce Lee was the most overhyped person on this earth....he was never good at actual fighting..which is why he never participated in world championships...he was about form..and asthetics...it was all about the look and camera angles....besides most martial artists suck a** and can't fight for sh*t anyway.(i'm talking about all those kids you see at every YMCA or Athletic club picking their a** and not paying attention..they know they are getting a belt because their parents are paying for it) types......just how qualified were those individuals Bruce Lee "sparred" with anyway?..
I dont want to bang heads with you brother but your wrong about Bruce and his style, just please do research
on the subject before you post
Were I train
http://www.psdtc.com/JKD/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Inosanto
http://www.tv.com/dan-inosanto/perso...biography.html
http://www.jkdassoc.com/
I hardly train at a cookie cutter McDojo were we break boards and go HI YA!!!! while picking our noses This is the real deal..We have the only school of its kind in CT with sold credentials in Jun fan Gung Fu/ Jeet Kune Do
I know alot about Bruce Lee don't discount my knowledge he used to be my "hero" if I ever had one. I realised though that he wasn't quite the best but a brilliant martial artist all the same. If he would have lived longer he would have found out alot more and could have become the best martial artist ever with his determination and drive, but he wasn't there yet. To put him in a boxing ring is just silly. People that boxers consentrate on their sport with as much dedication as Bruce Lee did his training just they did more sparring with better opponents, and didn't incoporate martial arts... Boxers work with their hands thats what they live through its their art, and almost nobody could beat a boxer at what they do p4p. That being said if Bruce Lee started boxing a young age he would be good.. maybe we don't know what his chin is like and just how hard he cracks with gloves on.
Again read The initial post I said this was pure speculation!!!!Looking at his attributes I gave an OPINION why I thought he might be successful and invited all to do the same..Thought it be a fun topic and controversial...Guess I accomoplished that got a lot of posts and reads on this one
Re: Far fetched Thought:Could Bruce Lee have been a Lightweight Champ??
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Originally Posted by raleights
look how physically gifted Bernard Hopkins wasn't - he was on top of the world at one point :)
Can you explain what you mean by this, I've heard this often but couldn't figure out what people meant.
