Re: Would Zab had won against Tszyu?
ANYTIME YOU CANT CONTROL YOUR BODY MOVEMENTS I.E.; JUDAH'S LEGS KICKING OUT FROM UNDER HIM IN THE FIRST SECOND HE GETS UP AND THEN NOT EVEN REALLY PUTTING HIM HANDS DOWN TO BRACE HIMSELF WHEN THE SECOND FALL COMES; THE FIGHT SHOULD BE STOPPED...  AS TO WHETHER JUDAH COULD HAVE CONTINUED...  IT IS A MOOT POINT.  NADY MADE THE DECISION I WOULD HAVE MADE...  ZAB WAS TO STUPID TO TAKE THE COUNT(MAYBE NOT STUPID BUT TO DAZED TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE)THEREFORE IT NEEDED TO BE STOPPED.  IM SURE THATS NOT THE LAST TIME WE'LL SEE FRED ASTAIRE @ HIS BEST  :dance: ;D
Re: Would Zab had won against Tszyu?
PLZ TELL ME SOMEONE AGREES!!!!
Re: Would Zab had won against Tszyu?
If zab was given the time in between rounds to recover. He would have simply shut down. Let's say him leaning back with his hands down was all done for the purpose of showboating and he took his count got up, the bell rang and he had the rest in between rounds.
At the beginning of the next round, Tszyu would have picked up where he left off and continued to methodically stalk judah and wait for the next mistake while just hammering away. So if we were to give zab the benefit of the doubt and saying that he tightened his defense and didnt make that same mistake again.... would he have won the fight?
Sorry, he would have been battered like an onion ring for the next couple of rounds and taken the beating of his life. Its a fact that after getting rocked by someone, Zab shuts down and tries to finish the fight on his feet without assuming much if any risk after that. I might even go as far as to say his star would have burned out that night and he probably never wouldn't have made it as far as he had in his career. After fighters take beatings like that, they are never the same. That punch that put him on queer street and the stoppage is probably the best thing that happened to him when you consider him taking a gruesome beating, being stripped of his confidence and some of his mental competency or worse..as the alternative.
Re: Would Zab had won against Tszyu?
Holy shnikeys, when did you get back
Re: Would Zab had won against Tszyu?
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Originally Posted by "PRIDE OF PROVIDENCE"
PLZ TELL ME SOMEONE AGREES!!!!
Yeah, yeah It goes with out saying. What somebody disagrees with you?
Re: Would Zab had won against Tszyu?
I think it's perfectly reasonable to assume that if Zab had been completely composed, stayed down on one knee, taken an 8 count and then rised tohear the bell, his corner could have worked on him and possibly he could have survived. If Floyd Mayweather for exampl had been hit like that by Tyszu he may well have managed to keep himself composed in that way and survive, similar to how Ali survived against Henry Cooper, and Diego Coralles survived against Castillo, with his clever spitting out of the mouthpiece.
These are two fighters who kept their wits about them when hurt.
Unfortunately Zab doesn't have that mindset and whenever he gets hurt his mind self destructs. Given that fact it would have been impossible for Zab (being Zab) to compose himself and gather his senses.
The ability to mentally take a punch and cope with intense pressure is an inate ability the same as having natural strength, a great chin, great movement etc, it's not something that can be learnt.
Just like Frank Bruno would drop his arms and sway haplessly before falling like a giant Redwood when caught, so Zab will ALWAYS lose when he gets hurt, simply because he cannot mentally cope with the pressure of being hurt. Round 7 with Carlos Baldomir proved that, he just lost it.
Zab will always lose it, it's not something you can train for.
So yes Tyzsu would have stopped him had the fight gone on ;)
Re: Would Zab had won against Tszyu?
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I think it's perfectly reasonable to assume that if Zab had been completely composed, stayed down on one knee, taken an 8 count and then rised tohear the bell, his corner could have worked on him and possibly he could have survived. If Floyd Mayweather for exampl had been hit like that by Tyszu he may well have managed to keep himself composed in that way and survive, similar to how Ali survived against Henry Cooper, and Diego Coralles survived against Castillo, with his clever spitting out of the mouthpiece.
These are two fighters who kept their wits about them when hurt.
Unfortunately Zab doesn't have that mindset and whenever he gets hurt his mind self destructs. Given that fact it would have been impossible for Zab (being Zab) to compose himself and gather his senses.
The ability to mentally take a punch and cope with intense pressure is an inate ability the same as having natural strength, a great chin, great movement etc, it's not something that can be learnt.
Just like Frank Bruno would drop his arms and sway haplessly before falling like a giant Redwood when caught, so Zab will ALWAYS lose when he gets hurt, simply because he cannot mentally cope with the pressure of being hurt. Round 7 with Carlos Baldomir proved that, he just lost it.
Zab will always lose it, it's not something you can train for.
So yes Tyzsu would have stopped him had the fight gone on ;)
well put bilbo ;)
Re: Would Zab had won against Tszyu?
Either that or Zab would have lost a decision by not doing other then survive.
Re: Would Zab had won against Tszyu?
Peronally...I think that Zab coulda taken out Kostya & all of Australlia in a matter of seconds had he been allowed to continue.
**Please read all Australlian obituaries as Snakey's head just spontaneously combusted! ;D
Re: Would Zab had won against Tszyu?
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Peronally...I think that Zab coulda taken out Kostya & all of Australlia in a matter of seconds had he been allowed to continue.
**Please read all Australlian obituaries as Snakey's head just spontaneously combusted! ;D
Nah sorry wacko not this time, zab got his whooped and would of been smashed either way. My head is still in good condition ;D
Re: Would Zab had won against Tszyu?
I hope Kostya comes back and knocks out Zab one more time!
C'mon Zab show us that moon walk ;D
Re: Would Zab had won against Tszyu?
lol no way, Zab gets KTFO by KT if it carries on.
Re: Would Zab had won against Tszyu?
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I hope Kostya comes back and knocks out Zab one more time!
C'mon Zab show us that moon walk ;D
If Kostya came back and fought Zab he would be stopped.
Re: Would Zab had won against Tszyu?
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I hope Kostya comes back and knocks out Zab one more time!
C'mon Zab show us that moon walk ;D
If Kostya came back and fought Zab he would be stopped.
Yeah we know zab gets stopped again ;D
Re: Would Zab had won against Tszyu?
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Originally Posted by kegs06
I hope Kostya comes back and knocks out Zab one more time!
C'mon Zab show us that moon walk ;D
If Kostya came back and fought Zab he would be stopped.
Ooo.. I salivate at the thought of arguing that one out but its Fri arvo and I'm going to pick up the lass and head down the pub. Have a good weekend all. ;)
