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I was worried before Rickys last fight i knew it was a hard fight nobody seemed to be bigging up Luis and he delivered he didnt win but he can and will come again.
He'd beat Magarito .
Well thats what i think Magarito is so overated its not funny anyone who dont stand in front of him gives him a whupping after seeing Daniel Santos lead him a merry dance with a southpaw jab id give Luis at least 50 50 .
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At 140,I would agree(as much as I hate to admit it!)Hatton would beat on Cotto but at 147,I favour Cotto,I didn't see anything from Hatton at all in the Collazo fight which would suggest he can be a big player there.
I'll be honest,I'll be the first to diss Cotto if he did badly but he didn't,he worked the body,used the jab and landed good combos,powerful shots,and just banged Paulie.Paulie survived...JUST!People are confusing surviving and heart for other things!
Hahaha,as for Hatton Margarito,remember that thread once which said"Hatton v Margarito" and we were arguing over who would win,well,I'd bet my house that Margarito would KO Hatton,I mean seriously walk through him and at 147,I think PBF would win too. Ricky had time to prepare for Collazo,Collazo didn't box and still Ricky did not look impressive.
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You could say the same with Collazo,a guy who fighting people with 1-1 records a year ago,pitter patter shots,stood on front of Hatton and Ricky not only did not win convincingly but many thought deserved to lose and not only that,he's not even giving a rematch!! What does that tell you?"?
It tells me that Don King didn't build a rematch clause into the contract so his fighter got better paid
It tells me boxing is a business and Collazo has nothing to offer Hatton. Zilch. A Collazo rematch means Urkal has to step aside again and WBA and HBO have to sanction it (it'll never happen!)
As for Cotto-Hatton, I reckon watch this space for a big announcement
It does offer him something,the chance to answer critics and prove he belongs at 147,like I said,he was fighting a guy who has pitter patter shots,didn't box,and still could not hurt him or anything.Collazo had him out on his feet.What does fighting Urkal prove? What happened to wanting to cement his legacy???
Actully The Game Hatton had just over 6 weeks to fight at Welterweight after originally thinking he was fighting at 140 when he started camp, im not making excuses for his perfromance at 147, but it wasnt exactly ideal preperation.
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Cotto will bang Hatton up? no chance Hatton would put in a supreme effort and stop him Cotto is too sqaure on cant hold a decent punch and only good for certain number of rounds !!
Cotto is not a counter puncher he needs to dig his feet in and if Tszyu couldnt get Hitman out of there what chance does Cotto have ?
People will say Ricky is to square id aggree but Ricky sets a frightening pace can take punishment and loves being met in the trenches.
Cotto's been found out well before true world level Ricky has been in with a far better quality of man and stormed through the breech Cotto looks fresh out of ideas after 5 rounds Ricky decoded a true master and beat him every department Cotto gets rocked by the likes of Corley and almost stopped against Torres .
Hatton would take the fight in a heartbeat .
Cotto is strong pressure fighter but not a banger .
Good few points. cc
Im sorry but if he was such a banger Malli out of there, true he will without doubt have Hatton marked up and maybe badly but i am so certain after seeing Cotto in his last 3/4 fights, he aint world class far from it, look at Torres that guy came in at about 3/4 weeks notice and if he had been fitter probably would of taken Cotto out, Malli was all heart but Cotto could not keep up the pace against a guy who was basically picking his shots, maybe it was the weight issue, but for me Hatton taks Cotto, if Cotto cant take Malli out how the hell is he taking Hatotn out???
I really hope Hatton and his team press for this fight straight away, but i dont think Cotto's team would want any of it to be honest.
Look,I tried to stay away from this thread,I really did but I can't let my boy get dissed and not retaliate,what kind of fan would I be. Cotto has now shown he can fight front foot,back foot,with power punching bangers,with boxers,he is on his way up.It's funny,this is probably the only site where people are having such a big debate over the fight and surprise surprise,most of the people saying the negative stuff are Hatton fans.Bring Hatton @ 147,I'm certain Cotto would bust him up,Hatton's face ouwld be a crimson mask. Skel brother,to question Miguel's power is silly,look at his record,and you are forgeting that PAULIE has an incredible heart,but Cotto still practically broke his face!!That is power and remember Miguel hurt his hand after round 5 yet STILL did damage.
You could say the same with Collazo,a guy who fighting people with 1-1 records a year ago,pitter patter shots,stood on front of Hatton and Ricky not only did not win convincingly but many thought deserved to lose and not only that,he's not even giving a rematch!! What does that tell you?"?
Are you joking ?
Seriously against Paulie Jab and grab he looked utterly desperate at times.
Backfoot and Frontfoot ? Throwing single shots at a time getting tagged by a guy who did the same thing time and again and was well below world class .
Style over susbstance baby and as i have said its all about levels i'm a Hatton true but Ricky fought the master took everything and found the answers fact .
Are you honestly telling me Cotto has fought anyone on Kostya's level ?
Corely had him going and Torres had him not once but twice he needed 8 rounds to break up Branco 9 for Abudellev had it all his own way and never put the foot down or looked impressive all of these unproven at world class or well below it.
Ricky's last 4 fights Collazo he won moving up took alot but was never floored against a man who had dethroned a good champion in Riveria. Maussa dangerous fighter Ricky cut early but always on top made a number of mistakes calmed down adjusted and knocked his man out. Oliveria Ricky did what a previous number of champions couldnt come anywhere near to and ended his career.
and KT .
Need i say more ...?
Levels Levels Levels .
I'm not hating on Miguel i like him but i just dont think he is on a par with Ricky .
Palease brother,apart from KT,Miguel has fought the better opponents and let us not get into the whole dirty fighting,time zone difference etc about the Kostya fight. Miguel was throwing combos against Paulie so........and Torres knockdown was a push,he took 15 clean from a guy with 96% KO ratio,and still was not legitimately knocked down,wat does that say? Corley also shook PBF badly too,and the Cotto shot was on the temple sooooo......
Cotto beat Maussa quicker than Hatton.....and it does not matter how quickly you beat someone in my humble opinion,it does not show anything. Remind me again,Collazo had Hatton out on his feet but how many KO's does he have??
And not once did i bring who Cotto and Hatton have fought into this but like I said,you take out Tszyu,Hatton has fought....Cotto has fought game hungry fighters,no A star names yet but when he beats Castillo,that will change.
Jeeeez,people,I feel I have taken on every member at Saddo's i the last 2 days and I'm still here!! Great feeling! ;D Naw,you all (on this thread anyway)make your points well.
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At 140,I would agree(as much as I hate to admit it!)Hatton would beat on Cotto but at 147,I favour Cotto,I didn't see anything from Hatton at all in the Collazo fight which would suggest he can be a big player there.
And why should Cotto be a big player? Just because hes struggling with weight doesnt mean he's superman at WW. I love Cotto, and he will mark up Ricky bad, but Ricky will keep going and maybe knock Cotto out. If it goes to the cards, no doubt Ricky wins, Cotto's defense isnt amazing.
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Actully The Game Hatton had just over 6 weeks to fight at Welterweight after originally thinking he was fighting at 140 when he started camp, im not making excuses for his perfromance at 147, but it wasnt exactly ideal preperation.
Exactly
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At 140,I would agree(as much as I hate to admit it!)Hatton would beat on Cotto but at 147,I favour Cotto,I didn't see anything from Hatton at all in the Collazo fight which would suggest he can be a big player there.
I'll be honest,I'll be the first to diss Cotto if he did badly but he didn't,he worked the body,used the jab and landed good combos,powerful shots,and just banged Paulie.Paulie survived...JUST!People are confusing surviving and heart for other things!
Hahaha,as for Hatton Margarito,remember that thread once which said"Hatton v Margarito" and we were arguing over who would win,well,I'd bet my house that Margarito would KO Hatton,I mean seriously walk through him and at 147,I think PBF would win too. Ricky had time to prepare for Collazo,Collazo didn't box and still Ricky did not look impressive.
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You could say the same with Collazo,a guy who fighting people with 1-1 records a year ago,pitter patter shots,stood on front of Hatton and Ricky not only did not win convincingly but many thought deserved to lose and not only that,he's not even giving a rematch!! What does that tell you?"?
It tells me that Don King didn't build a rematch clause into the contract so his fighter got better paid
It tells me boxing is a business and Collazo has nothing to offer Hatton. Zilch. A Collazo rematch means Urkal has to step aside again and WBA and HBO have to sanction it (it'll never happen!)
As for Cotto-Hatton, I reckon watch this space for a big announcement
It does offer him something,the chance to answer critics and prove he belongs at 147,like I said,he was fighting a guy who has pitter patter shots,didn't box,and still could not hurt him or anything.Collazo had him out on his feet.What does fighting Urkal prove? What happened to wanting to cement his legacy???
The Gane Ricky has just over six weeks to prepare for a fight at 147 after origianally setting up camp to be fighting at 140, so it wasnt exactly the best training camp ever, not making excuses but considering it was his first fight at a new weight class, it wasnt ideal.
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I was worried before Rickys last fight i knew it was a hard fight nobody seemed to be bigging up Luis and he delivered he didnt win but he can and will come again.
He'd beat Magarito .
Well thats what i think Magarito is so overated its not funny anyone who dont stand in front of him gives him a whupping after seeing Daniel Santos lead him a merry dance with a southpaw jab id give Luis at least 50 50 .
To say Hatton would beat Margarito is a joke and even the biggest Ricky nuthugger will tell you that which is also why pre CollazoHatton mentioned Tony,after the Collazo fight,it's now Urkal and the like.Oh...me confused,do you mean Haton or Luis would beat Tony?
Anyhow,the Tony Santos fight has no relevance,it's a stylistic nightmare for Tony and still I had the fight as his by 1 point and a knockdown which was not scored.Santos weighed 170 plus pounds and everytime Marg tried to attack,he got headbutted(I counted at least 7) and even then Tony was coming on strong in that fight. Collazo's pitter patter shots would not hurt Tony,he would walk through him.
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Palease brother,apart from KT,Miguel has fought the better opponents and let us not get into the whole dirty fighting,time zone difference etc about the Kostya fight. Miguel was throwing combos against Paulie so........and Torres knockdown was a push,he took 15 clean from a guy with 96% KO ratio,and still was not legitimately knocked down,wat does that say? Corley also shook PBF badly too,and the Cotto shot was on the temple sooooo......
Mayweather is no way to back up the arguement, his chin is hardly granite.
:coolclick: to ya though bruv, you otherwise defend your fighter well and make good points at least, unlike the guys on this site who are just plain nuthuggers
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And not once did i bring who Cotto and Hatton have fought into this but like I said,you take out Tszyu,Hatton has fought....Cotto has fought game hungry fighters,no A star names yet but when he beats Castillo,that will change
Game hungry fighters is one way of putting it. But I believe Phillips, Tackie, Magee and Olivera cancel out Abdullaev, Branco, Torres on a few days notcie etc.
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I was worried before Rickys last fight i knew it was a hard fight nobody seemed to be bigging up Luis and he delivered he didnt win but he can and will come again.
He'd beat Magarito .
Well thats what i think Magarito is so overated its not funny anyone who dont stand in front of him gives him a whupping after seeing Daniel Santos lead him a merry dance with a southpaw jab id give Luis at least 50 50 .
To say Hatton would beat Margarito is a joke
Thats true, I love Hatton but Margarito is uber powerful for a WW, Hatton would really struggle and would need the fight of his life to win that one.
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I thought you had to watch a fight to know what was happening .
Are you saying Muhammed 1 loss and Gianluca 'Parttime extornionist and money lender ' Branco Corley 12 losses and Ricardo Torres are actually on a par with Maussa a world champion coming of his biggest win and with 7 weeks notice ( compared to Cotto fight 2 weeks ), Oliviera world rated neverstopped wins over then champions Collazo legit world champ and KT ...?
Different time zones ? Paulie jab and grab , beat Maussa quicker ........... what ?
Maussa was cut against Miguel come on take them blinkers orf .
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At 140,I would agree(as much as I hate to admit it!)Hatton would beat on Cotto but at 147,I favour Cotto,I didn't see anything from Hatton at all in the Collazo fight which would suggest he can be a big player there.
I'll be honest,I'll be the first to diss Cotto if he did badly but he didn't,he worked the body,used the jab and landed good combos,powerful shots,and just banged Paulie.Paulie survived...JUST!People are confusing surviving and heart for other things!
Hahaha,as for Hatton Margarito,remember that thread once which said"Hatton v Margarito" and we were arguing over who would win,well,I'd bet my house that Margarito would KO Hatton,I mean seriously walk through him and at 147,I think PBF would win too. Ricky had time to prepare for Collazo,Collazo didn't box and still Ricky did not look impressive.
Hatton was in court leading up to this fight, was supposed to fight Lazcano and ended up fighting Collazo at 6 weeks notice. How is that enough time to move up a weight against a World Champion in a different country/timezome??
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It does offer him something,the chance to answer critics and prove he belongs at 147 like I said,he was fighting a guy who has pitter patter shots,didn't box,and still could not hurt him or anything.Collazo had him out on his feet.What does fighting Urkal prove? What happened to wanting to cement his legacy???
Will you be saying he isn't cementing his legacy when he fights Cotto next?? Would he command a bit of respect then?? Ricky could move back down and take Cotto at LWelter but I bet my house he will take the fight with Cotto at Welter
As for the remtach with Collazo, I'll say it again, he has Don King to blame. Boxing is a business. Collazo got well paid AND It's not just up to Ricky Hatton. HBO/WBA et all won't sanction the fight. He has a rematch against Collazo and he has to relinquish the belt - future purses would be lower because he doesn't have any belts, no World title, he gave up two LWelter belts, you can't expoect him to give up this one aswell!!!! It will never happen. He has no critics to answer, there will always be naysayers but 41-0 (30) stands up there with anyone's record. If half of them were hand picked bums, the very same could be said of Cotto.
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I was worried before Rickys last fight i knew it was a hard fight nobody seemed to be bigging up Luis and he delivered he didnt win but he can and will come again.
He'd beat Magarito .
Well thats what i think Magarito is so overated its not funny anyone who dont stand in front of him gives him a whupping after seeing Daniel Santos lead him a merry dance with a southpaw jab id give Luis at least 50 50 .
To say Hatton would beat Margarito is a joke and even the biggest Ricky fan will tell you that which is also why pre CollazoHatton mentioned Tony,after the Collazo fight,it's now Urkal and the like.Oh...me confused,do you mean Haton or Luis would beat Tony?
Anyhow,the Tony Santos fight has no relevance,it's a stylistic nightmare for Tony and still I had the fight as his by 1 point and a knockdown which was not scored.Santos weighed 170 plus pounds and everytime Marg tried to attack,he got headbutted(I counted at least 7) and even then Tony was coming on strong in that fight. Collazo's pitter patter shots would not hurt Tony,he would walk through him.
Id give Collazo 50 50 Hatton should stay well away from Magarito for now -styles .
Hattons a lightwelter.
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I thought you had to watch a fight to know what was happening .
Are you saying Muhammed 1 loss and Gianluca 'Parttime extornionist and money lender ' Branco Corley 12 losses and Ricardo Torres are actually on a par with Maussa a world champion coming of his biggest win and with 7 weeks notice ( compared to Cotto fight 2 weeks ), Oliviera world rated neverstopped wins over then champions Collazo legit world champ and KT ...?
Different time zones ? Paulie jab and grab , beat Maussa quicker ........... what ?
Maussa was cut against Miguel come on take them blinkers orf .
I agree the fighters cancel each other out, but you cant say Miguel is much worse than Hatton, or even any worse. Everyone wants this fight to come off because it will be so exciting and matches up TWO world class fighters who are very close in terms of experience, acheivements and skill, and their styles make a great fight.
I still think Hatton will win though :P
P.S. The Game :coolclick: coming in 24 hours man, wont let me now
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AC,using PBF as an example was to show that Corley shook him but no-one said his chin was bad and I'd disagree with you,I think he has a very very good chin. I also totally disagree with you on the points about their resume,apart from Kostya Tszyu,Cotto has in my humble opinion fought by far and away the better opposition,you have guys who can bang(tOrres,Pinto),Amatuer specialists who beat him(Abdullaev),powerhouses(Ndou) and now boxers(Paulie) plus other game fighters like Demarcus etc,whereas apart from Collazo and Maussa(who Cotto also beat),the rest of the guys on Hatton's cv were old or no bodies.
Glad to see you agree with me about Margarito,he would crush anyone at 147 in my opinion.Hmmm,oh and as to your other point,Miguel will be a big player at 147 because he won't kill himself to make the weight ergo punch resistance shall not be compromised and he will feel more comfortable,hence better performances and as I am already impressed with him,it leads me to believe that he will be a mjor player.
Cool Click back brother,I am quite enjoying this! and to be honest,you make valid points too and like I said,at 140,I'd say Hatton wins.Yeah,I'm no nuthugger and I don't argue for arguments sake like some people on this site.
Thanks Skel,I didn't know Hatton only had 6 weeks to prepare but he still looked 1 dimensional to me and he still did not carry his power up.
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Yeah enjoying this too, I have to disagree with Mayweather though, he doesnt get hit so doesnt get wobbled, if he does get hit, and its a big puncher hes in trouble. Thats why I think Margarito has a great chance against him at WW. Margarito at WW is like Cotto at JW, a huge puncher shrinking himself down from the weight above where his power wouldnt be as overwhelming. (Cotto would still be powerful but the disparity wouldnt be as great when facing WW's)
The way Ricky won his fights before KT also has to come into play. Ray Olivera had never ever been stopped and hed been in many champoionship fights, Ricky stopped his ass. Vince Phillips was game, Magee was a good fighter before his accident, Ben Tackie was always known as a tough bastard above anything else. Abdullev shouldnt of been any trouble for Cotto, true he beat him in the amateurs but when I saw Abdullev fight in the pros, well he still looked like an amateur. And Paulie wasnt a boxer, he was just a speed merchant but I take the point.
One thing about if this fight came off at 147 man that Cotto would have to be careful of. Obviously its going to be less of a challenge getting under the weight, many fighters struggle in this situation as their training is therefore less intense. Cotto would have to be careful of this and should maybe take a warm up fight at WW to iron that problem out.
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Yeah,owe you in 24 too bro and Gordy,to diss Cotto's opponents would be doing likewise to Hatton ;D
