Re: Todays Lack Luster Heavyweight Divison
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
I just wish Wlad would stop that holding s**t. He's too skilled to be doing that and that's the only way to know if he is indeed the best we have now. I'm a fan but I can't keep defending that. I still think he Peter would have knocked him out without the holding. He still almost did. The refs need to start taking initiative cause I've been seeing some ugly fights as of late.
honestly , i see it different. john ruiz HOLDS. wlad ties em up. big difference i think.
Re: Todays Lack Luster Heavyweight Divison
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
I just wish Wlad would stop that holding s**t. He's too skilled to be doing that and that's the only way to know if he is indeed the best we have now. I'm a fan but I can't keep defending that. I still think he Peter would have knocked him out without the holding. He still almost did. The refs need to start taking initiative cause I've been seeing some ugly fights as of late.
That holding crap is for the birds ! its an illegal tactic right in there with a low blow. today’s Refs are too quick to break fighters. . remember mills lane " fight out of there" the short Heavies have a huge disadvantage now days . this excessive holding needs to dealt with. Ref should Break---- Break ----Break ----One point here-! ! ! -------. then that crap would stop and we would have some fights !
Re: Todays Lack Luster Heavyweight Divison
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Originally Posted by 1st rd ko
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
I just wish Wlad would stop that holding s**t. He's too skilled to be doing that and that's the only way to know if he is indeed the best we have now. I'm a fan but I can't keep defending that. I still think he Peter would have knocked him out without the holding. He still almost did. The refs need to start taking initiative cause I've been seeing some ugly fights as of late.
honestly , i see it different. john ruiz HOLDS. wlad ties em up. big difference i think.
Watch that Peter fight if you haven't seen it and then tell me. That was actually worst than Ruiz. He was actually reaching out to grab him when he saw him get within 4 feet. If not he pushed him back about 5 or 6 feet when he got close. It was a despicable and cowarly performance. Don't buy into the hype. Boxing has rules. Otherwise it would just be wrestling or ufc. I said this before but it's a valid point, When Lennox Lewis fought Henry Akinwande, Lewis was beingbeing held and not as blatantly as Peter was and they DQed Akinwande. He was called a coward and a joke but Wlad did it and was glorified for a so called great performance. That's a damn shame.
Re: Todays Lack Luster Heavyweight Divison
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
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Originally Posted by 1st rd ko
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
I just wish Wlad would stop that holding s**t. He's too skilled to be doing that and that's the only way to know if he is indeed the best we have now. I'm a fan but I can't keep defending that. I still think he Peter would have knocked him out without the holding. He still almost did. The refs need to start taking initiative cause I've been seeing some ugly fights as of late.
honestly , i see it different. john ruiz HOLDS. wlad ties em up. big difference i think.
Watch that Peter fight if you haven't seen it and then tell me. That was actually worst than Ruiz. He was actually reaching out to grab him when he saw him get within 4 feet. If not he pushed him back about 5 or 6 feet when he got close. It was a despicable and cowarly performance. Don't buy into the hype. Boxing has rules. Otherwise it would just be wrestling or ufc. I said this before but it's a valid point, When Lennox Lewis fought Henry Akinwande, Lewis was beingbeing held and not as blatantly as Peter was and they DQed Akinwande. He was called a coward and a joke but Wlad did it and was glorified for a so called great performance. That's a damn shame.
i HONESTLY dont see it that way. tieing up a guy is one thing. holding on for dear life another. its really up to the ref to start handing out warnings. but if you want to see straight up "street fights" pro boxing isnt your game.
Re: Todays Lack Luster Heavyweight Divison
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
I just wish Wlad would stop that holding s**t. He's too skilled to be doing that and that's the only way to know if he is indeed the best we have now. I'm a fan but I can't keep defending that. I still think he Peter would have knocked him out without the holding. He still almost did. The refs need to start taking initiative cause I've been seeing some ugly fights as of late.
That holding crap is for the birds ! its an illegal tactic right in there with a low blow. today’s Refs are too quick to break fighters. . remember mills lane " fight out of there" the short Heavies have a huge disadvantage now days . this excessive holding needs to dealt with. Ref should Break---- Break ----Break ----One point here-! ! ! -------. then that crap would stop and we would have some fights !
My point exactly. The problem is that the networks try to build guys up to make money and people believe everything they hear. It kills me when someone says , even the commentators said this and that. That's why god blessed us all with vision so we don't have to rely on other people to see thinks for us and tell us what we should think about things.
Re: Todays Lack Luster Heavyweight Divison
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Originally Posted by 1st rd ko
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
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Originally Posted by 1st rd ko
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
I just wish Wlad would stop that holding s**t. He's too skilled to be doing that and that's the only way to know if he is indeed the best we have now. I'm a fan but I can't keep defending that. I still think he Peter would have knocked him out without the holding. He still almost did. The refs need to start taking initiative cause I've been seeing some ugly fights as of late.
honestly , i see it different. john ruiz HOLDS. wlad ties em up. big difference i think.
Watch that Peter fight if you haven't seen it and then tell me. That was actually worst than Ruiz. He was actually reaching out to grab him when he saw him get within 4 feet. If not he pushed him back about 5 or 6 feet when he got close. It was a despicable and cowarly performance. Don't buy into the hype. Boxing has rules. Otherwise it would just be wrestling or ufc. I said this before but it's a valid point, When Lennox Lewis fought Henry Akinwande, Lewis was beingbeing held and not as blatantly as Peter was and they DQed Akinwande. He was called a coward and a joke but Wlad did it and was glorified for a so called great performance. That's a damn shame.
i HONESTLY dont see it that way. tieing up a guy is one thing. holding on for dear life another. its really up to the ref to start handing out warnings. but if you want to see straight up "street fights" pro boxing isnt your game.
Maybe it's not your game cause I myself am a boxer and part time trainer. My boxing skills are still developing but I've always had the punch. And the worst thing I hate is when a guy feels my power and holds on like like he's my damn prom date.
Re: Todays Lack Luster Heavyweight Divison
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
I just wish Wlad would stop that holding s**t. He's too skilled to be doing that and that's the only way to know if he is indeed the best we have now. I'm a fan but I can't keep defending that. I still think he Peter would have knocked him out without the holding. He still almost did. The refs need to start taking initiative cause I've been seeing some ugly fights as of late.
That holding crap is for the birds ! its an illegal tactic right in there with a low blow. today’s Refs are too quick to break fighters. . remember mills lane " fight out of there" the short Heavies have a huge disadvantage now days . this excessive holding needs to dealt with. Ref should Break---- Break ----Break ----One point here-! ! ! -------. then that crap would stop and we would have some fights !
My point exactly. The problem is that the networks try to build guys up to make money and people believe everything they hear. It kills me when someone says , even the commentators said this and that. That's why god blessed us all with vision so we don't have to rely on other people to see thinks for us and tell us what we should think about things.
do you really want to see boxing become "mike tyson knock out" nintendo style? i dont. im not say holding is good , but tying up your oppent when you need too? well thats the "sweet sceince"...(hell , they could have ended "the rumble" cause ali wasnt really doing much until the end).
Re: Todays Lack Luster Heavyweight Divison
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Originally Posted by 1st rd ko
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
I just wish Wlad would stop that holding s**t. He's too skilled to be doing that and that's the only way to know if he is indeed the best we have now. I'm a fan but I can't keep defending that. I still think he Peter would have knocked him out without the holding. He still almost did. The refs need to start taking initiative cause I've been seeing some ugly fights as of late.
That holding crap is for the birds ! its an illegal tactic right in there with a low blow. today’s Refs are too quick to break fighters. . remember mills lane " fight out of there" the short Heavies have a huge disadvantage now days . this excessive holding needs to dealt with. Ref should Break---- Break ----Break ----One point here-! ! ! -------. then that crap would stop and we would have some fights !
My point exactly. The problem is that the networks try to build guys up to make money and people believe everything they hear. It kills me when someone says , even the commentators said this and that. That's why god blessed us all with vision so we don't have to rely on other people to see thinks for us and tell us what we should think about things.
do you really want to see boxing become "mike tyson knock out" nintendo style? i dont. im not say holding is good , but tying up your oppent when you need too? well thats the "sweet sceince"...(hell , they could have ended "the rumble" cause ali wasnt really doing much until the end).
Well you're too much of a fan to be reasoned with so I'll leave it at that.
Re: Todays Lack Luster Heavyweight Divison
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
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Originally Posted by 1st rd ko
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
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Originally Posted by 1st rd ko
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
I just wish Wlad would stop that holding s**t. He's too skilled to be doing that and that's the only way to know if he is indeed the best we have now. I'm a fan but I can't keep defending that. I still think he Peter would have knocked him out without the holding. He still almost did. The refs need to start taking initiative cause I've been seeing some ugly fights as of late.
honestly , i see it different. john ruiz HOLDS. wlad ties em up. big difference i think.
Watch that Peter fight if you haven't seen it and then tell me. That was actually worst than Ruiz. He was actually reaching out to grab him when he saw him get within 4 feet. If not he pushed him back about 5 or 6 feet when he got close. It was a despicable and cowarly performance. Don't buy into the hype. Boxing has rules. Otherwise it would just be wrestling or ufc. I said this before but it's a valid point, When Lennox Lewis fought Henry Akinwande, Lewis was beingbeing held and not as blatantly as Peter was and they DQed Akinwande. He was called a coward and a joke but Wlad did it and was glorified for a so called great performance. That's a damn shame.
i HONESTLY dont see it that way. tieing up a guy is one thing. holding on for dear life another. its really up to the ref to start handing out warnings. but if you want to see straight up "street fights" pro boxing isnt your game.
Maybe it's not your game cause I myself am a boxer and part time trainer. My boxing skills are still developing but I've always had the punch. And the worst thing I hate is when a guy feels my power and holds on like like he's my damn prom date.
when that happens bring your elbows in shift sideways make yourself smaller and shoot upper cuts down the pipe. Remember when they trying to hold they cant hurt you! but you have to react very fast and not agree to the hold ! If these shorter Heavies were in better condition 218-230 range they would be better able to do this with more frequency . IMO
Re: Todays Lack Luster Heavyweight Divison
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
Personally...I'm okay with the heavies right now...as long as they all try to match up against Wlad. ;D
As long as he gets revenge against Puritty,Sanders and Brewster and ko Peter.
