Re: Who Thinks Meldrick Taylor Was Screwed
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Originally Posted by means2184
fighting so hard he EARNED the right to stand and take those last 3 seconds of punishment
it was a ridiculas stoppage i think Steele had money on the fight ....(reichard is a great ref if it wasnt for that fight)
Thats a terrible statement means....
He fought so hard he deserved to (take another 3 shots that could have possibly ruined him for life, or even worse)
Time is of no key when a fighters life is on the line, 99% he probably would of been ok, but in the refs mind theres 1% chance he wont be, he had no choice, Chavez could have fired 3 major shots in that time, and what could of happened, is not bear thinking about, because if he didnt we could all be sitting here today saying, should the ref have stopped the fight.....and that would have been far worse......
Re: Who Thinks Meldrick Taylor Was Screwed
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Originally Posted by Samson3000
Taylor got screwed alright, by Lou Duva, who told him he needed to go out and win the last round :'(
Finally someone comes out with the biggest factor....Duva told Meldrick to get chavez and Meldrick was winning the fight!!!had meldrick boxed instead of banged we wouldn't be having this discussion!!!! all he needed to do was box.....He had it....His corner, not Richard Steele...took that fight from taylor due to horrible instructions!!!!!!
Re: Who Thinks Meldrick Taylor Was Screwed
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Originally Posted by bigragu
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Originally Posted by Samson3000
Taylor got screwed alright, by Lou Duva, who told him he needed to go out and win the last round :'(
Finally someone comes out with the biggest factor....Duva told Meldrick to get chavez and Meldrick was winning the fight!!!had meldrick boxed instead of banged we wouldn't be having this discussion!!!! all he needed to do was box.....He had it....His corner, not Richard Steele...took that fight from taylor due to horrible instructions!!!!!!
True....CC
Re: Who Thinks Meldrick Taylor Was Screwed
If that stoppage had happened a minute earlier I don't think people would complain because he was badlt beaten up and didn't answer the referee, he just stood there eyes glazed over. As it happened with 2 seconds left to go it was terribly un lucky and very dodgy looking, but the guy didn't answer and the ref is supposed to stop a match if the guy can't carry on after getting knocked down. Steele could have dragged it on for a few more seconds so that the bell rang and saved him, but then he really would have been fixing the fight. It's just one of those things, it happens in all sports, unfair penatlies, hand balls letting Argentina knock us out of the world cup, that's life.
Re: Who Thinks Meldrick Taylor Was Screwed
Here is the fight you decide Meldrick got up in plenty of time looked down to the ground looked at Steele..Correct me if I am wrong but wasnt one of his trainers(I think it was Duva)was shouting from his corner to get his attention so he looked away for a sec and Steele waves off the fight Bullshit....The camera was close to him he looked fit to continue especially for a few seconds..
That was the most controversial stoppage ever in our modern era...There was plenty of fights before that one and have been more since then that have been allowed to continue with fighters that have looked a lot worse with more time than what was left  with a few seconds in the last round....Watch the fight again and tell me he was up at 4 and didnt look half as loopy as most that I have seen..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcPSV...AYLOR%20CHAVEZ
Re: Who Thinks Meldrick Taylor Was Screwed
lol, whoever thinks Chavez would of knocked out Meldrick in 2 seconds when he was all away across the ring is being not realistic...
Taylor was not dazed, he was still seeing clearly and could of easily survived by by standing up...He was robbed. Steele did a terrible job on that fight, because Taylor would of won a UD if it was any other refferee.
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Re: Who Thinks Meldrick Taylor Was Screwed
This is a subject that annoys the fuck out of me!!!
A fight is 12 rounds long and 180 seconds in each round, if you can win in the first 2 seconds you can win in the last 2 seconds time is IRRELEVANT. It would be a complete disservice to JCC if the refereee had've let the fight go on due to the fact that it was almost finished, the referee is not a timekeeper and should have no concern with the time at all. Nobody is disputing that Taylor was unfit to continue which he undoubtedly was, people are only concerned with the time and think Steele should've done him a favour. No way!!! He was knocked down with about 13-14 seconds left and when he got up he was unable to responnd to the referees questions, therefore he has lost fair and square. P.S If if it mattered, which it doesn't nobody could here the 10 second clap, because of the crowd noise - watch it and see.
All of what I have said doesn't even bring into question the safety side of things, and I am pretty sure that JCC would've had chance to land one more career ending blow!! Even if he only had a very slight chance of landing another punch it was still too risky to let him continue
All of the people that have said the ref should've given Taylor the chance even though he was out on his feet are basically saying you think the ref should have helped him and cheated because he had knowledge of the time, if you think that then what's the point of the last 10 seconds of a fight if the guy losing doesn't still have a chance to win??
I wanted Taylor to win that fight so much and I dislike Richard Steele immensely, but that decison was 100% just and fair and correct!!
Re: Who Thinks Meldrick Taylor Was Screwed
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Originally Posted by The_One77
lol, whoever thinks Chavez would of knocked out Meldrick in 2 seconds when he was all away across the Taylor was not dazed, he was still seeing clearly and could of easily survived by by standing up...He was robbed. Steele did a terrible job on that fight, because Taylor would of won a UD if it was any other refferee.
Whether or not he would've knocked him out in 2 seconds is totally irrelevant,it's not the point!!! Time has no factor in a boxing match, you can win at any stage from the firts second until that last bell goes , thats the whole point of it!! You are asking the referee do help a fighter based on the time. 178 seconds is just 3 shapes, as is 180 seconds how close there are to each other has no relevance!! And Meldrick was not fit to continue, and even if he was the rules state that you have to respond when questioned and he didn't answer Steele.
Re: Who Thinks Meldrick Taylor Was Screwed
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Originally Posted by TyBuff
It was one of those what if situations. Say the ref let it go on, JCC was right behind him ready to pounce on Taylor. He had enough time to get one last shot in that could of done permanent damage. IMO its a fine line, refs cant pay to much attention to how much time is left in a situation like that. I dont think Taylor got screwed as much as JCC got EXTREMELY lucky.
Thats how i see it as well, nice post. :coolclick:
Re: Who Thinks Meldrick Taylor Was Screwed
IMO he wasn't out on his feet because he never even wobbled
He got up on the count of 6, and was just tired but seeing clearly at the same time.
Had Taylor not looked at his corner when Steele asked if he was ok, the fight would of gone on and Meldrick would of won..
The rest is history
Re: Who Thinks Meldrick Taylor Was Screwed
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Originally Posted by The_One77
lol, whoever thinks Chavez would of knocked out Meldrick in 2 seconds when he was all away across the ring is being not realistic...
Taylor was not dazed, he was still seeing clearly and could of easily survived by by standing up...He was robbed. Steele did a terrible job on that fight, because Taylor would of won a UD if it was any other refferee.
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it's amazing just how blind Taylor fans become when it comes to this....When Richard Steele walked over to Taylor after the Knockdown you will notice Taylor's hand still holding onto the rope and he was still out on his feat and unresponsive....You can only be saved by the bell in 12th and final round...not with time left.....it was a good stoppage....
Re: Who Thinks Meldrick Taylor Was Screwed
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Originally Posted by BIG H
This is a subject that annoys the F*** out of me!!!
A fight is 12 rounds long and 180 seconds in each round, if you can win in the first 2 seconds you can win in the last 2 seconds time is IRRELEVANT. It would be a complete disservice to JCC if the refereee had've let the fight go on due to the fact that it was almost finished, the referee is not a timekeeper and should have no concern with the time at all. Nobody is disputing that Taylor was unfit to continue which he undoubtedly was, people are only concerned with the time and think Steele should've done him a favour. No way!!! He was knocked down with about 13-14 seconds left and when he got up he was unable to responnd to the referees questions, therefore he has lost fair and square. P.S If if it mattered, which it doesn't nobody could here the 10 second clap, because of the crowd noise - watch it and see.
All of what I have said doesn't even bring into question the safety side of things, and I am pretty sure that JCC would've had chance to land one more career ending blow!! Even if he only had a very slight chance of landing another punch it was still too risky to let him continue
All of the people that have said the ref should've given Taylor the chance even though he was out on his feet are basically saying you think the ref should have helped him and cheated because he had knowledge of the time, if you think that then what's the point of the last 10 seconds of a fight if the guy losing doesn't still have a chance to win??
I wanted Taylor to win that fight so much and I dislike Richard Steele immensely, but that decison was 100% just and fair and correct!!
I disagree he showed no signs of not being able to continue ,he didnt stumble to get up...He was obviously able to here is corner yelling at him from across the ring with thousands of people yelling screaming and clapping...SO COHERRENTNESS was not an issue it was a poor stoppage
Re: Who Thinks Meldrick Taylor Was Screwed
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Originally Posted by bigragu
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Originally Posted by The_One77
lol, whoever thinks Chavez would of knocked out Meldrick in 2 seconds when he was all away across the ring is being not realistic...
Taylor was not dazed, he was still seeing clearly and could of easily survived by by standing up...He was robbed. Steele did a terrible job on that fight, because Taylor would of won a UD if it was any other refferee.
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it's amazing just how blind Taylor fans become when it comes to this....When Richard Steele walked over to Taylor after the Knockdown you will notice Taylor's hand still holding onto the rope and he was still out on his feat and unresponsive....You can only be saved by the bell in 12th and final round...not with time left.....it was a good stoppage....
Him holding the rope should not have been a factor...When Frazier knocked down Ali he was leaning in the corner with both arms draped on the ropes
Re: Who Thinks Meldrick Taylor Was Screwed
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Originally Posted by bigragu
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Originally Posted by The_One77
lol, whoever thinks Chavez would of knocked out Meldrick in 2 seconds when he was all away across the ring is being not realistic...
Taylor was not dazed, he was still seeing clearly and could of easily survived by by standing up...He was robbed. Steele did a terrible job on that fight, because Taylor would of won a UD if it was any other refferee.
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it's amazing just how blind Taylor fans become when it comes to this....When Richard Steele walked over to Taylor after the Knockdown you will notice Taylor's hand still holding onto the rope and he was still out on his feat and unresponsive....You can only be saved by the bell in 12th and final round...not with time left.....it was a good stoppage....
Well I think everyone’s initial response to that stoppage was outrage, but then as you watch it again and take everything into consideration you realize that Steele was doing what he thought was right at the Time. Taylor was in real troubles. I remember someone in an earlier post talking about Duva ‘s role in this situation,, and I tended to agree with that assessment also .
Re: Who Thinks Meldrick Taylor Was Screwed
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
I disagree he showed no signs of not being able to continue ,he didnt stumble to get up...He was obviously able to here is corner yelling at him from across the ring with thousands of people yelling screaming and clapping...SO COHERRENTNESS was not an issue it was a poor stoppage
The Ref is right there and can see things that the viewers at home don't see. The eyes for one. The eyes don't lie. You can look right into a fighters eyes and know where he is at.
