Re: Where do you place Lewis in the All Time Greats lists??
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Originally Posted by mafiajoey
The article doesn't mention the fact he ran from Klitcho and wouldn't give him a rematch and then went on to retire so he wouldn't get another loss
You guys crack me up. Lewis was 38 when he retired. 38! He tore Vitali up and won the 5th and 6h round clearly. It wouldn't have been worth it to train again to face a top contender. We hate it whhen our fighters box past 35 and embarras themselves, yet some like to put asterisks above fighters who didn't return to fight at 39. Please.
Re: Where do you place Lewis in the All Time Greats lists??
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Originally Posted by Britkid
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Originally Posted by mafiajoey
The article doesn't mention the fact he ran from Klitcho and wouldn't give him a rematch and then went on to retire so he wouldn't get another loss
LOL;
Ali gets lynched for the Spinks, Holmes and Berbick losses
Tyson suffers humiliation against Williams and McBride
Vitali and Lewis retire at or near the top of their game, and everyone says they should come back... :dontknow:
point well made, mr britkid :coolclick:
Re: Where do you place Lewis in the All Time Greats lists??
If I had to bet my LIFE on who would win against whoever for 100 fights im betting Lennox. LL beats everyone in this case. Im talking about prime fighters. Rocky beats LL? :drinker:
Re: Where do you place Lewis in the All Time Greats lists??
Didnt Vitali take the fight on less than two weeks notice? Something like that always puts one of the fighters at a disadvatage. Either Vitali with lack of opportunity to prepare or Lennox because he trained 6+ weeks for a different fight than what he ended up with. I think if they would have fought again Lewis would have won decisively.
Re: Where do you place Lewis in the All Time Greats lists??
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Originally Posted by SecondRoundKO
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Originally Posted by mafiajoey
The article doesn't mention the fact he ran from Klitcho and wouldn't give him a rematch and then went on to retire so he wouldn't get another loss
You guys crack me up. Lewis was 38 when he retired. 38! He tore Vitali up and won the 5th and 6h round clearly. It wouldn't have been worth it to train again to face a top contender. We hate it whhen our fighters box past 35 and embarras themselves, yet some like to put asterisks above fighters who didn't return to fight at 39. Please.
If you don't think that Vitali was thoroughly whupping Lewis.....then your in denial. That night Lewis was on an express train out of boxing and it wasn't going to be by decision either.
That's why all of the Lewis fans hate Vitali............becasue deep down inside they know that he was beating Lennoz' a$$.
Re: Where do you place Lewis in the All Time Greats lists??
Lewis deserves to be rated above Holyfeild IMO. Holy was maybe the greates cruiser ever but was also quite inconsistent in his so-called prime at heavy.
The Klit fans should check themselves for a minute. Maybe Vlad can put a record that compares with Lewis' together ove the next 8 years or so. Maybe Vitali could have. Fact is up til now they haven't
Vitali was stopped legit by a cut caused by a punch. He won early rounds but was flat out beaten up in the 5th and especially the 6th. That an old, fading Lewis could do that to a genuinely good fighter like Klit is a credit to him.
Re: Where do you place Lewis in the All Time Greats lists??
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Originally Posted by shooter
Lewis deserves to be rated above Holyfeild IMO. Holy was maybe the greates cruiser ever but was also quite inconsistent in his so-called prime at heavy.
The Klit fans should check themselves for a minute. Maybe Vlad can put a record that compares with Lewis' together ove the next 8 years or so. Maybe Vitali could have. Fact is up til now they haven't
Vitali was stopped legit by a cut caused by a punch. He won early rounds but was flat out beaten up in the 5th and especially the 6th. That an old, fading Lewis could do that to a genuinely good fighter like Klit is a credit to him.
I love the way that Lewis fans always say Lennox was on top of his game during the Tyson fight..........and then only one year later against Vitali he was a fading fighter???
Fact is, Lewis lost the majority of the rounds in that fight and in the fifth and sixth Lewis looked even more exhausted. he hit Vitali with his best shot and Vitali kept coming forward and kept tagging Lewis.
Lewis was outboxed from round 1 til the sixth. There was no magical "comeback round for Lewis" he was on his way out and Foreman and everyone else in the arena who booed Lewis knew it!
Re: Where do you place Lewis in the All Time Greats lists??
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Originally Posted by 1st rd ko
If I had to bet my LIFE on who would win against whoever for 100 fights im betting Lennox. LL beats everyone in this case. Im talking about prime fighters. Rocky beats LL? :drinker:
Just a question, would LL beat a prime Ridick Bowe?
Re: Where do you place Lewis in the All Time Greats lists??
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Originally Posted by mucho testosterone
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Originally Posted by shooter
Lewis deserves to be rated above Holyfeild IMO. Holy was maybe the greates cruiser ever but was also quite inconsistent in his so-called prime at heavy.
The Klit fans should check themselves for a minute. Maybe Vlad can put a record that compares with Lewis' together ove the next 8 years or so. Maybe Vitali could have. Fact is up til now they haven't
Vitali was stopped legit by a cut caused by a punch. He won early rounds but was flat out beaten up in the 5th and especially the 6th. That an old, fading Lewis could do that to a genuinely good fighter like Klit is a credit to him.
I love the way that Lewis fans always say Lennox was on top of his game during the Tyson fight..........and then only one year later against Vitali he was a fading fighter???
Fact is, Lewis lost the majority of the rounds in that fight and in the fifth and sixth Lewis looked even more exhausted. he hit Vitali with his best shot and Vitali kept coming forward and kept tagging Lewis.
Lewis was outboxed from round 1 til the sixth. There was no magical "comeback round for Lewis" he was on his way out and Foreman and everyone else in the arena who booed Lewis knew it!
Nice to read some truth. I was beginning to think eveyone on here was an official LL jock strap carrier
Re: Where do you place Lewis in the All Time Greats lists??
If your saying Lewis didn't win the 6th round of that fight you need your eyes checked. Cut back on the testosterone if your all hot and sweaty about the Klit
Re: Where do you place Lewis in the All Time Greats lists??
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Originally Posted by shooter
If your saying Lewis didn't win the 6th round of that fight you need your eyes checked. Cut back on the testosterone if your all hot and sweaty about the Klit
If you're saying that Vitali didn't dominate Lewis in that fight then you need to take Lewis c__out of your mouth and come up for air.
Your boy was on his way out that night.....he didn't phase Vitali with his punches...and he was way more tired than Vitali....it's a fact and everyone knows it.
Re: Where do you place Lewis in the All Time Greats lists??
Vitali was a good fighter: the best out there for a while after Lewis retired. You need a dose of reality though. Your hunk of Euro beefcake got stopped on a cut from a punch. Vitali staggered back to his corner at the end of 6 after almost being decapitated by Lewis' uppercuts. Klit didn't fight again for how long afterwards because of the severity of the cut?
Most guys fantasize about sisters. What is it about the Klitschko brothers that has turned so many men this way? There's church-based support groups that can cure this sort of thing apparently. The first thing you have to do is admit you've got a problem and let the Lord heal you
Re: Where do you place Lewis in the All Time Greats lists??
i don't think it was his age per se that had Lennox looking gassed against Vitali. He was pudgy and looked like he hadn't prepared properly for the fight, same as against Williams in Africa.
Likewise, I don't think it is a question of heart that kept him from getting up off the canvas and fighting on against Wms - he was KOd proper.
There is question of his heart in terms of does he really want to get himself prime and sharp for fights. When he rematched Williams the answer was yes. First time around, no. Against Vitali, again, it seemed like no - regardless of the fact that he was beginning to show signs of dominating before the fight was stopped.
I tend to agree that in an artificial world if Lennox fought every other HW great 100 times, and always came prime, probably no one of them would win as many out of that 100 fights as Lewis. As long as he could manage to keep Tyson at bay for the first 4 rounds, that is.
I wish he had returned to fight Vitali again but think he really didn't have the drive to train mentally and physically. Perhaps age has something to do with that but I don't think it was the main factor. He didn't seem particularly worn or aged by the sport. Just not hungry enough to make the requisite effort.
And I don't consider his win over Tyson as anything meaningful at all. In a poetic way perhaps, the gap was filled, the fight was fought ... but it came way late for Tyson to be a measure of anything.
Re: Where do you place Lewis in the All Time Greats lists??
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Originally Posted by shooter
Vitali was a good fighter: the best out there for a while after Lewis retired. You need a dose of reality though. Your hunk of Euro beefcake got stopped on a cut from a punch. Vitali staggered back to his corner at the end of 6 after almost being decapitated by Lewis' uppercuts. Klit didn't fight again for how long afterwards because of the severity of the cut?
Most guys fantasize about sisters. What is it about the Klitschko brothers that has turned so many men this way? There's church-based support groups that can cure this sort of thing apparently. The first thing you have to do is admit you've got a problem and let the Lord heal you
Sure pal.......just take your meds and go to sleep K?
I can't do this anymore. RIDICULOUS. I have the fight on tape.......I have seen it over 20 times and not once......not one time did Vitali stagger.
If you're going to have to resort to lying then there is really nothing left I can do here.
:banghead:
Re: Where do you place Lewis in the All Time Greats lists??
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Originally Posted by mucho testosterone
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Originally Posted by shooter
If your saying Lewis didn't win the 6th round of that fight you need your eyes checked. Cut back on the testosterone if your all hot and sweaty about the Klit
If you're saying that Vitali didn't dominate Lewis in that fight then you need to take Lewis c__out of your mouth and come up for air.
Your boy was on his way out that night.....he didn't phase Vitali with his punches...and he was way more tired than Vitali....it's a fact and everyone knows it.
vitali won early rounds, but lewis was definitely beginning to tough it out through the 5th and more so through the 6th...the fight could have gone either way without the stoppage, but IMO lewis was beginning to overcome vitali...
regardless, vitali could not continue....