Re: Rocky Marciano over rated(article)
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Originally Posted by mafiajoey
does the fact Archie Moore said he hit him with his hardest punch ever and he got up account for a little of anything? Look at the fighters today, they are horrible. Oh and I suppose your going to say someone like Lennox (I ran from Klitcho and retired) Lewis was better?
Lennox was 40, marciano was 32 he ranned away like a lil bitch.
He had no boxing skills , no defense only heart and power.he was just a slugger .
If i ask you guys why we should put him in the top then the only reason people will give is because he had a 0 loss reccord. Ok then lets wait a couple of years so we could put valuev in there next to marciano to. i mean the guy beated clifford ettiene, john ruiz, larry donald, paulo vidoz . all these guys are over 30 , ah and maybe if lennox lewis does a come back valuev can beat him to just like marciano did to luis. yeah people valuev and marciano together the greatest boxers of all time. yeah mayby they aint got boxing skills but at least they have never lost.
Re: Rocky Marciano over rated(article)
Yeah he's overrated. Hypothetically, If he were fighting today's heavyweights, he wouldn't be fighting at 190lbs. Marciano would be fighting at least 215lbs. You have to compare every fighters records for who they beat, at what age they beat them at and finally their ring record going into the fight. You cannot make a comparison of fighters by won lost record alone. I liked the Rocks fighting style, but he was untested by top ranked young fighters.
Re: Rocky Marciano over rated(article)
I agree that he was over rated. He acheived great things in the light of his size and skill limitations but I can't imagine him beating a Larry Holmes style jab and mover with a good chin or taking the incoming against a skillful modern super heavy like a prime Lewis or Bowe.
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Re: Rocky Marciano over rated(article)
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Originally Posted by The_Mac10
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Originally Posted by The Promoter
Everyone keeps going on about size and weight...The most recently dominating heavyweight champs were Holyfield, Tyson and Lewis with Holhfield and Tyson being small...Todays super-heavyweights stop throwing punches after 6 rounds or like Valuev have very little power for their size....bring back the 15 round fights that Marciano, Ali, Frazier, etc.. had to fight and let's see how many heavyweight come in at 250lbs...does lewis destroy Maciano, maybe but to deny that Marciano was great simply because he was small is ridiculous...
Sure, but Tyson small is around 220, sheer ripped muscle and bulk (we're talking prime here)
Marciano was around 190, and although very physically strong and built he didn't look like a Tyson, in terms of finesse/physique. Same for Holyfield.
Todays super-heavyweights are awful, you're right. No one disputed this.
And I already said Marciano was great. That wasn't in dispute either. Read other peoples posts first.
A prime Tyson was about 216 and and again trained for 12 round fights....and todays training methods use weight lifting and nutrition techniques that were unknown in marciano's day(they were FORBIDDEN to lift weights)...with todays techniques and training for 12 rounds instead of 15 Marciano would have easily been a natural 215-220 heavyweight...hell if he were on James Toney's training regimen he'd be 250!!!
people go on about a "ripped" 220, 230, 240 or whatever...which doesn't mean a whole lot...if it did, Mike Weaver, Frank Bruno and Bruce Seldon would have been legendary champions...
Re: Rocky Marciano over rated(article)
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
Rocky Marciano was great fighter in that era . Tuff as nails and warrior mentality. To belittle his legacy is futile .
Thoroughly agreed..................I don't know what The Gayme is trying to accomplish by positng this article but move on.......the leagcy is already there.....the record is there and there ain't jack shit you can do about it. :o
Re: Rocky Marciano over rated(article)
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Originally Posted by N.Begian
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Originally Posted by mafiajoey
does the fact Archie Moore said he hit him with his hardest punch ever and he got up account for a little of anything? Look at the fighters today, they are horrible. Oh and I suppose your going to say someone like Lennox (I ran from Klitcho and retired) Lewis was better?
Lennox was 40, marciano was 32 he ranned away like a lil bitch.
He had no boxing skills , no defense only heart and power.he was just a slugger .
If i ask you guys why we should put him in the top then the only reason people will give is because he had a 0 loss reccord. Ok then lets wait a couple of years so we could put valuev in there next to marciano to. i mean the guy beated clifford ettiene, john ruiz, larry donald, paulo vidoz . all these guys are over 30 , ah and maybe if lennox lewis does a come back valuev can beat him to just like marciano did to luis. yeah people valuev and marciano together the greatest boxers of all time. yeah mayby they aint got boxing skills but at least they have never lost.
by makikng the comment Marciano ran away lets me know you have limited history when it comes to the Rock....he quit because of pressure from his mother and wife to leave the game.....and he had solidly beat everyone at the time...so he walked away....that is what make him great..knowing when to leave and sticking with it is almost impossible to do....
