Re: Jim Lampley's Most Annoying and Biased Night Yet
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There have been plenty of posts in the past about HBO commentators' obvious biases, but for me, Lampley's performance tonight took the cake. Completely over-the-top. Every time Winky countered and got the better of the exchange, Lampley says something like "Oh! Taylor with some very hard shots. Winky feels the need to come back." Every time Winky got Taylor into the ropes and banged on him with an 11-shot combo, and Taylor finally got out by throwing a shot to Winky's gloves and then spinning out, it was "Earlier in the fight, Wright controlled the ropes. Now, Taylor gets out, backing Wright up with a hard shot." And the absolutely most annoying bit was after watching half a fight's worth of Taylor throwing pretty hard shots each one of which landed about 70% glove and 30% head, Taylor finally gets his gloves up for one of Winky's punches and Lampley--who's been either (a) completely silent about Taylor not landing anything cleanly or (b) behaving as if all of these shots were 100% accurate--says "a pretty hard shot from Wright, but pretty much caught by Taylor's gloves!"
I generally think the HBO cast is pretty good, and that people complaining about their supposed bias in a lot of these fights are engaging in a conspiracy theory kind of thing, but this one was ridiculous and hard to listen to. Close fight, should have gone to Winky 115-113 or 116-112. Outlanded Taylor, controlled the pace and action, landed the higher percentage. It was a great fight though--closest anyone's given Winky in a while.
WOW THIS IS REAL STUPID...if you was to be paying this much attention to the commentators instead of the fight...then you really got the wrong fighter winning...you got stuck on the whole image of winky getting rob...because really the only person to blame why winky lost is winky himself...
ANOTHER fight fan...with the conspiracy of their fave fighter losing because he got cheated...no winky wasn't cheated he wasn't rob...he fell short...he didn't take it to the champ at the end...he must of figure he'll look good either way...if he don't get the decision he'll just say he was rob...
WINKY should blame himself...taylor was in a disadvantage at the later rounds with his eye closing due to the headbutt...and taylor did invite winky to the ropes at the 12 rounds but winky just rather call it a night...TRUE CHAMPIONS TAKE IT TO YOU AND TAKE WHAT THEY WANT...WINKY LEFT IT TO THE HANDS OF THE JUDGE AND he already experience a real robber which was with vargas and still he left it at the hands of the judges...SO BLAME WINKY AND ONLY WINKY FOR WHY HE DIDN'T GET THE TITLE.......
I'm not sure what you think you're responding to, given that you're bitching about people saying Winky got robbed and then quoting my post that doesn't say that and has nearly nothing to do with it. Check the thread, mate - all I said was that the commentating was extremely biased. I conceded it was a close fight--all I'm saying is it should have been called that way, rather than having Jim Lampley call the fight like it was a landslide for Taylor (an outcome I don't think anyone else saw).
jim lamply never said it was a landslide nor did he called it that way...he pointed out that taylor needed to put his hands up and he needed to get out the ropes...you really just need to watch the fight other then pay attention to the commentators...
yawn. he did call it that way - see the initial post in the thread for evidence. i also did watch the fight - answer me how I could possibly disagree with the commentating if I wasn't watching something different from what they were saying happen on my screen; so maybe it's you who needs to have watched the fight rather than listened to the bs that was strewn by the guys with the microphones.
Winky won by a round or two -- far better accuracy, landed more, and completely controlled the action for most of the fight. It was close--closer than the numbers show, even. But Taylor just doesn't get credit for "landing the harder shots" when every one of those shots was partially/largely blocked. He also had no say in the way the fight progressed. Winky dominated it on the ropes (and Taylor wasn't there because he wanted to be) and was barely edged in the middle of the ring (contrary to the overblown views of the commentators). Close match, I had it 115-113 Winky. He wasn't "robbed," and it wasn't "another Vargas," but it was the wrong outcome, and I thought it was pretty clearly wrong.
Re: Jim Lampley's Most Annoying and Biased Night Yet
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Completely agree. I'm usually a staunch Lampley defender...but that was a fooken joke. He was so biased...it was surreal.
Its funny how when you guys fighters loose you go so low as to blame the announcers of HBO who gave us this PPV caliber fight for free. Since we are throwing blame here on everyone except winky himself, what did Lennox Lewis, Larry Merchant and Harold Ledderman do to cause winky to only get the draw? C'mon, keep the excuses coming sore losers
I don't care. I really don't care. Personally, I thought Lennox Lewis was outstanding but Lampley wasn't calling it the way it should have been called. Simple as that.
The commentators have no bearing on teh figth, I know that but fans still don't deserve to listen to paonfully biased commentary. It has nothing to do with the fight itself, and it's not an excuse for Winky by any means, just the truth.
Re: Jim Lampley's Most Annoying and Biased Night Yet
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Completely agree. I'm usually a staunch Lampley defender...but that was a fooken joke. He was so biased...it was surreal.
I had never heard such crap out of Lampley before....Winky blocked a huge amount of those punches...and Lampley was acting like Taylor was landing bombs!!! Lampley needs lasik surgery.....
Re: Jim Lampley's Most Annoying and Biased Night Yet
Lampley seems to follow some written or unwritten rule about cheerleading for the franchise's man. Not too stupid when you consider who pays his wage. He' s probably got Oscar pics in his sock draw and Taylor pics hidden in the bathroom
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All this about Jim Lampley??? Lampley is the best boxing commentator
Re: Jim Lampley's Most Annoying and Biased Night Yet
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No, the most annoying night still belongs to Whitaker Delahoya ;D
Yeah, you are right. Lampley was a comlete jackass in that fight. Least Larry Merchant for once did the right thing and spoke the truth, defending Whitaker. Seemed like even Jones was somewhat rooting for Oscar it seems. Lampley should be fired IMO, he has proven that all he is is a Yes man, who knows nothing about boxing and does not love boxing. His commentating in the last round particularly was horrible. The first time I watched the fight it fooled me even into thinking Taylor had won the 12th, when in reality, he only landed maybe one clean punch.
Re: Jim Lampley's Most Annoying and Biased Night Yet
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Completely agree. I'm usually a staunch Lampley defender...but that was a fooken joke. He was so biased...it was surreal.
Its funny how when you guys fighters loose you go so low as to blame the announcers of HBO who gave us this PPV caliber fight for free. Since we are throwing blame here on everyone except winky himself, what did Lennox Lewis, Larry Merchant and Harold Ledderman do to cause winky to only get the draw? C'mon, keep the excuses coming sore losers
I don't care. I really don't care. Personally, I thought Lennox Lewis was outstanding but Lampley wasn't calling it the way it should have been called. Simple as that.
The commentators have no bearing on teh figth, I know that but fans still don't deserve to listen to paonfully biased commentary. It has nothing to do with the fight itself, and it's not an excuse for Winky by any means, just the truth.
So you're pissed that he didn't call the way you saw it? Maybe he didn't see it the way you did. Maybe he had a better view.
The judges weren't from Memphis, the commentators weren't from memphis, and the neither fighters were from Memphis. Please keep the conspiracies coming. Hell, Lampley's the only good thing HBO has going.
Re: Jim Lampley's Most Annoying and Biased Night Yet
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Completely agree. I'm usually a staunch Lampley defender...but that was a fooken joke. He was so biased...it was surreal.
Its funny how when you guys fighters loose you go so low as to blame the announcers of HBO who gave us this PPV caliber fight for free. Since we are throwing blame here on everyone except winky himself, what did Lennox Lewis, Larry Merchant and Harold Ledderman do to cause winky to only get the draw? C'mon, keep the excuses coming sore losers
I don't care. I really don't care. Personally, I thought Lennox Lewis was outstanding but Lampley wasn't calling it the way it should have been called. Simple as that.
The commentators have no bearing on teh figth, I know that but fans still don't deserve to listen to paonfully biased commentary. It has nothing to do with the fight itself, and it's not an excuse for Winky by any means, just the truth.
So you're pissed that he didn't call the way you saw it? Maybe he didn't see it the way you did. Maybe he had a better view.
The judges weren't from Memphis, the commentators weren't from memphis, and the neither fighters were from Memphis. Please keep the conspiracies coming. Hell, Lampley's the only good thing HBO has going.
Only good things HBO has goin are Curb Your Enthusiasm, and The Sopranos. Lampley is about the worst thing they got besides that stupid ass Big Love show.
Re: Jim Lampley's Most Annoying and Biased Night Yet
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Completely agree. I'm usually a staunch Lampley defender...but that was a fooken joke. He was so biased...it was surreal.
Its funny how when you guys fighters loose you go so low as to blame the announcers of HBO who gave us this PPV caliber fight for free. Since we are throwing blame here on everyone except winky himself, what did Lennox Lewis, Larry Merchant and Harold Ledderman do to cause winky to only get the draw? C'mon, keep the excuses coming sore losers
I don't care. I really don't care. Personally, I thought Lennox Lewis was outstanding but Lampley wasn't calling it the way it should have been called. Simple as that.
The commentators have no bearing on teh figth, I know that but fans still don't deserve to listen to paonfully biased commentary. It has nothing to do with the fight itself, and it's not an excuse for Winky by any means, just the truth.
So you're pissed that he didn't call the way you saw it? Maybe he didn't see it the way you did. Maybe he had a better view.
The judges weren't from Memphis, the commentators weren't from memphis, and the neither fighters were from Memphis. Please keep the conspiracies coming. Hell, Lampley's the only good thing HBO has going.
Ok...listen and stop twisting my words. I like Lampley. I never said he was in on any conspiracy. I really didn't think he called the fight from an unbiased point of view. Taylor is an HBO fighter and they are probably closely affiliated. I'm not saying he did it intentionally or anything like that. I'm just saying I don't think the fight was called down the middle. I never said anything about judges. I never said anything about conspiracies. I'm not holding that against Taylor. I'm not saying this had any bearing on the fight. It's NOT an excuse for Winky only getting a draw.
I like Lampley, his voice, his excitement, his passion, his voice gives the feeling that I'm watching a big fight. But, he has his flaws. When De La Hoya or Taylor is fighting, he tends to focus more on them then the other fighter. It's a flaw but he's still a fine commentator.
Do I need to put it any clearer?
Re: Jim Lampley's Most Annoying and Biased Night Yet
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Completely agree. I'm usually a staunch Lampley defender...but that was a fooken joke. He was so biased...it was surreal.
Its funny how when you guys fighters loose you go so low as to blame the announcers of HBO who gave us this PPV caliber fight for free. Since we are throwing blame here on everyone except winky himself, what did Lennox Lewis, Larry Merchant and Harold Ledderman do to cause winky to only get the draw? C'mon, keep the excuses coming sore losers
This is IT.... THE reason why we keep seeing such shit on PPV... we've allowed the institutions to dick us around and make us THINK certain fights HAVE to be PPV, so when we start bitching about the state of boxing, they throw us a bone, give us a good fight on HBO, (which isn't free, by the way) and we get down on our knees and THANK THEM... we're fans of a sport where violence and aggression is expected, but apprarently we ourselves don't have the balls to stand up and say "hey fuckers, we shouldn't be paying to see this shit in the first place...."
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Completely agree. I'm usually a staunch Lampley defender...but that was a fooken joke. He was so biased...it was surreal.
Its funny how when you guys fighters loose you go so low as to blame the announcers of HBO who gave us this PPV caliber fight for free. Since we are throwing blame here on everyone except winky himself, what did Lennox Lewis, Larry Merchant and Harold Ledderman do to cause winky to only get the draw? C'mon, keep the excuses coming sore losers
This is IT.... THE reason why we keep seeing such shit on PPV... we've allowed the institutions to dick us around and make us THINK certain fights HAVE to be PPV, so when we start bitching about the state of boxing, they throw us a bone, give us a good fight on HBO, (which isn't free, by the way) and we get down on our knees and THANK THEM... we're fans of a sport where violence and aggression is expected, but apprarently we ourselves don't have the balls to stand up and say "hey fuckers, we shouldn't be paying to see this shit in the first place...."
It needs to be on network tv. It really does but...I don't envision that unless something like Nascar or hockey falls off the map. It should be on ABC or CBS or something. What else do they have on Saturday night?
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This is IT.... THE reason why we keep seeing such S*** on PPV... we've allowed the institutions to dick us around and make us THINK certain fights HAVE to be PPV, so when we start bitching about the state of boxing, they throw us a bone, give us a good fight on HBO, (which isn't free, by the way) and we get down on our knees and THANK THEM... we're fans of a sport where violence and aggression is expected, but apprarently we ourselves don't have the balls to stand up and say "hey f*****, we shouldn't be paying to see this S*** in the first place...."
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So True ! unless you its worthy don't pay for it, wait and watch it the following week on HBO. example Mosely -Vargas II , it should be a good fight , but I can damn sure wait a week to see it!
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1. Pleeeeeeeeeeeezzz.... Larry Merchant RETIRE!
How many times has this biased old crow forgotten boxers names (or what the hell he was talking about) in the middle of his monologues only to have to be bailed out by someone? Does he have a clause that says he has to die on camera?
2. Jim Lampley
Anyone who says that Lampley is the best simply does not know boxing. Lampley is a lackee that came to the big times because he had a small time job at ABC commentating fights when a young man named MIKE TYSON started showing up WEEKLY that show. The whole act was doon moved to Saturday's on Wide World of Sports... That's why ESP can show classics all week long... He is a slave to whomever pays the check, and will gladly tell you so. Commentator for a network-yes, journalist-no.
3. Max Kellerman
Too much truth for mainstream!!! I definitely don't think so, but many of the conservative types will. I love the way he gets behind his commentary. Don't get me wrong... I don't agree with everything he says, but his resource of knowledge and the way he delivers it tells me that he has BOTH of the guys above shaking in their pants and looking for a way to keep him in his place... at the FAR table!
***Lennox Lewis is only commentating because Jones, Jr. got completely DROPPED by HomeBoyOffice...
Re: Jim Lampley's Most Annoying and Biased Night Yet
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1. Pleeeeeeeeeeeezzz.... Larry Merchant RETIRE!
How many times has this biased old crow forgotten boxers names (or what the hell he was talking about) in the middle of his monologues only to have to be bailed out by someone? Does he have a clause that says he has to die on camera?
2. Jim Lampley
Anyone who says that Lampley is the best simply does not know boxing. Lampley is a lackee that came to the big times because he had a small time job at ABC commentating fights when a young man named MIKE TYSON started showing up WEEKLY that show. The whole act was doon moved to Saturday's on Wide World of Sports... That's why ESP can show classics all week long... He is a slave to whomever pays the check, and will gladly tell you so. Commentator for a network-yes, journalist-no.
3. Max Kellerman
Too much truth for mainstream!!! I definitely don't think so, but many of the conservative types will. I love the way he gets behind his commentary. Don't get me wrong... I don't agree with everything he says, but his resource of knowledge and the way he delivers it tells me that he has BOTH of the guys above shaking in their pants and looking for a way to keep him in his place... at the FAR table!
***Lennox Lewis is only commentating because Jones, Jr. got completely DROPPED by HomeBoyOffice...
Dude! Lampley is well spoken and comes of with a professional finish. He keeps everything in line. and sounds good to the ear. Max has knowledge yes , but that does not make him a good Commentator,? Max makes everyone feel uncomfortable, because he so argumentative and arrogant .. ! Max is horrible on HBO BAD , giving those looks to his commentary partners, like you guys don't what the fu#$ is going on. Which they don't ! but doing that makes for an uncomfortable environment for everyone, including the most important people. the ones watching the F$#ing show ! And Don't tell me I don't know boxing. ! That’s amateur Real amateur ! You want boxing knowledge and some style Teddy Atlas is the man !
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1. Pleeeeeeeeeeeezzz.... Larry Merchant RETIRE!
How many times has this biased old crow forgotten boxers names (or what the hell he was talking about) in the middle of his monologues only to have to be bailed out by someone? Does he have a clause that says he has to die on camera?
2. Jim Lampley
Anyone who says that Lampley is the best simply does not know boxing. Lampley is a lackee that came to the big times because he had a small time job at ABC commentating fights when a young man named MIKE TYSON started showing up WEEKLY that show. The whole act was doon moved to Saturday's on Wide World of Sports... That's why ESP can show classics all week long... He is a slave to whomever pays the check, and will gladly tell you so. Commentator for a network-yes, journalist-no.
3. Max Kellerman
Too much truth for mainstream!!! I definitely don't think so, but many of the conservative types will. I love the way he gets behind his commentary. Don't get me wrong... I don't agree with everything he says, but his resource of knowledge and the way he delivers it tells me that he has BOTH of the guys above shaking in their pants and looking for a way to keep him in his place... at the FAR table!
***Lennox Lewis is only commentating because Jones, Jr. got completely DROPPED by HomeBoyOffice...
Dude! Lampley is well spoken and comes of with a professional finish. He keeps everything in line. and sounds good to the ear. Max has knowledge yes , but that does not make him a good Commentator,? Max makes everyone feel uncomfortable, because he so argumentative and arrogant .. ! Max is horrible on HBO BAD , giving those looks to his commentary partners, like you guys don't what the fu#$ is going on. Which they don't ! but doing that makes for an uncomfortable environment for everyone, including the most important people. the ones watching the F$#ing show ! And Don't tell me I don't know boxing. ! That’s amateur Real amateur ! You want boxing knowledge and some style Teddy Atlas is the man !
Agreed on Lampley but I still like Kellerman.
And Lewis > RJJ imo.
