winky blew it

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Originally Posted by babyboNe

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Originally Posted by shza

floyd was at his best at 130/135. he's already gone higher than he should have at 147. if he fought wright, there's no way it would be at 147. it would be at 154 or 160--both of which are higher than floyd should go.

and again, on your nonsensical idea of what p4p means, the entire HW division should be ranked above floyd because, after all, if Wlad were to fight Floyd it would have to be at heavy, and a fat, 200 lb. floyd doesn't have a shot there. "p4p" is essentially a measurement of a fighter's raw skills, technique, intangibles etc. it's not "if he were to actually put on enough weight to fight in every single division, how well would he do?" rather, it's--theoretically--as a thought experiment, if these two guys right now were the same fighters they currently are, but also were the same size (i.e., not a fatter slower version, etc.), who would win? so the fact that a fat slow floyd might not dominate the MW division really has nothing at all to do with it.

you misunderstood I was talking about between only winky and floyd...i never said everyone heavier then floyd should be rank higher then him...your stressing a point that really is stupid...why are you focusing on other fighters heavier then floyd...

winky and floyd are basically at the same weight...between them winky is the true p4p #1...becaues winky will beat floyd at floyds current division or if they fight at winkys current division...

and no floyd wasn't at his best at 130 135 he wasn't even number p4p then...plus he is at his best now...which is at 147 140...don't come at me with your wrong info...and when you clearly misunderstand what you be reading...

i think you're probably too dense to ever get this, but i'll set this straight for you one more time. you're the one who's focusing on fighters heavier than floyd--winky, specifically. you can say it as much as you want, but those two are simply not "basically at the same weight." and the fact that floyd's got a higher p4p rating now, after 2 fights at 147 (against natural 140 pounders) doesn't mean that 147's his best weight. he's lost snap from his punches, and appears to have lost a little speed. if he were to go up to 154 or 160 to fight winky (which is where that fight would have to be), he'd be even less ideal--so the fight wouldn't prove anything p4p. all i'm doing with the heavier fighters examples is pointing out the absurdity that your position reduces to. your statement, "floyd going up to a weight he has no business fighting at, and that's far from ideal for him (154/160) and losing to winky would prove that winky's better p4p," is analytically indistinguishable from the truly absurd statement, "floyd going up to a weight he has no business fighting at, and that's far from ideal for him (200+) and losing to hasim rahman would prove that rahman's better p4p."

ok, i'm through with this now. hopefully i've broken it into small enough pieces that even someone at your level can begin to grasp this very basic point.