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cc for the honesty...taylor really don't deserve all the haters he has...maybe its because nobody has yet to pull of a vitory against the young and the improving jermain taylor...its scary to think how good he can get...maybe haters want to see him lose now so he'll never reach his prime...Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
your overhyping joe.C...his only beatten jeff lacy...and winky, taylor, and hopkins would murder jeff lacy p4p...Quote:
Originally Posted by sasha
Taylor is far from the finished article yet I cant see any fighter from middleweight down being able to beat him . Including Floyd , Oscar and Mosley
Hes done more than just beat Lacy . Hes beaten afew world champions . He is the longest reigning world champion and is still undefeated . If hed done what he has done in America , theyd have him topping the p4p ratingsQuote:
Originally Posted by babyboNe
Calzaghe is in a bigger weight class....I'm sure Wlad would wup Calzaghes behind as well....but p4p!!!! it's a P4P list!!!!!!!!!! come on...look at the posting and get back to us with a respectable answer...I like that list......except for Hatton being on it....if you want to talk about his record bring up Valuev....nuff said???Quote:
Originally Posted by sasha
keyword his done it in europe...joe.C needs atleast two more win against a fighter known and top rank in america...we all know america has the best contenders...Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
Id tend to disagree there .Quote:
Originally Posted by babyboNe
Europeans like Kessler and Beyer and Joes closest rivals . Laxcy was Amercas best and he got skooled . Mundine and Green are both Australians so there is no Yank that Joe can prove himslef against in the states at super middle
Hows your head... You feeling ok? :dummespost:Quote:
Originally Posted by sasha
I hate compiling these lists
The ten I would say, in rough order, are
Floyd Mayweather
Joe Calzaghe
Manny Pacquiao
Winky Wright
Jermain Taylor
Bernard Hopkins
Pongsaklek Wongjongkam
Rafael Marquez
Ricky Hatton
Jorge Arce
I leave off M.A.B coz I was far from convinced in his last fight, he looked old to me, though he still showed signs of his brilliance, I think these guys are better, p4p. Either way, I hate these god damn lists, they're impossible concepts.
lacy is not at all our best here in america...have you even seen him on the p4p top 20...joe.C beated a young american...bhop and winky would school joe.C, kessler and beyer all in the same year...a 41 year old bhop is who he should prove himself agianst or fight winky this year or next year...but if both winky and joe.C can agree to a weight to fight on...Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
Winky would have to move up another weight if he wanted to fight Joe and I dont think the money would be there for that 1 . B- Hop is his size and that would be a good fight . Nard would be a deserving favourite but at 41 he would struggle with a fast guy who sets a high pace . I think Tarver was made for him . Taylor - Calzaghe will never happen so I thionk Joe should move up and fight a washed up Jones , Johnson or Tarver .Quote:
Originally Posted by babyboNe
Middleweight supremecy belongs to Taylor . Winky had his shot at the title and couldnt win . I think Taylor proved he was the better man
calzaghe would murder winky. not hopkins though.
i don't know about murder, but he's naturally 2 weight classes bigger than winky (and at this stage in his career, i think calzaghe struggles to make SMW even), so you'd expect he ought to be able to win. and agreed hopkins would dominate calzaghe. so the take-away is: calzaghe can beat world class fighters who are considerably smaller than him, but can't beat world class fighters who are slightly smaller/the same size. how that gets you high on a p4p list i have no idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by ds91
Ok lets be realistic here.
The only way Hopkins could beat Calzaghe is to knock him out. Hop only throws about 20 punches a round whereas Calzaghe averages close to 1000 a fight so Hopkins ain't winning that one on points.
Calzaghe has a solid chin and ain't being stopped by Hop so Calzaghe wins that one.
Winky is a skilled fighter but he just wouldn't have the power to hurt Joe at all. Plus Calzaghe is quicker than Wright, with much more power and is a better fighter than Taylor so would beat him convincingly. Taylor bashed up Winky pretty bad, even Soliman with his terrible style. Calzaghe is quicker, throws more and is more accurate than Taylor and Soliman so would easily outpoint Wright. Wright may just have enough to hold out for the 12 rounds but I'm not even sure of that.
Taylor would be the biggest challenge for Joe. A big strong, hungry and young fighter who could cause Joe lots of problems. At this stage in his career he's still a little rough around the edges and I reckon Calzaghe would take advantage of Taylor's flaws and punish him. A great fight though.
my p4p list:
winky-well rounded fighter, defeated mosley twice and trinidad a draw with the man who beat the man...
floyd-undefeated make oppenents look stupid...but I got to see him with margarito...
pac-ko's over barrera and morales...knock outs after knock outs very exciting fighter to watch...
taylor-the man who beat the man twice...youngest but steps up to best compitition there is out there...great fight with winky a draw was fair...but in the rematch i can see taylor taking p4p spot with a win or a stoppage of winky...if winky wants the rematch
bhop-the god of the middleweight has left it to jermain taylors hands...after losing to him in two close fights...the master boxer now has taken the lightheavyweight from tarver the one who dethrone jones...
joe.C-undefeated great performance over lacy...but I doubt he'll still be undefeated if he had most his fights in america...actually noun of his fights...still has some to prove to break top 5 p4p ranking...
hatton-one word why his rank p4p top 10...koysta
margarito-not well known but its going to suck for floyd...when margarito finally get to floyd...
castillo-dissapointed fight fans for not making weight for corrales fight...but still a great fighter...still the only man in my eyes to have beaten floyd maywether...
wlady-with the help of his new trainer...wlady has showed that his boxing skills have matured...but his chin still is breakable but his jab is in the way...have great skill just need to stay condition and focus...he'll dominate the heavyweight...plus what great heavyweight hasn't been knock out...