world champion

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Originally Posted by mucho testosterone

At one time, I really felt that Holyfield was. I liked his personality a lot. I also admired the way that he would get right back in the ring with people after they beat him.

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if the criteria for this thread includes defending your title successfully then im afraid evander is out ;)

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Originally Posted by Britkid

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Originally Posted by rsan-chez

Ricardo "Finito" Lopez

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Lopez was a superb fighter, but merely a title holder, never a World Champ.

To my mind the Greatest reign by a World Champion was Joe Louis' 37-49 reign; the Greatest overall World Champ IMO was Ray Robinson...

But if you want to talk alphabet crap, then Graciano Rocchigiani has to be the best, just for bankrupting the WBC (Wily Bribable Council)

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Louis was an overrated bum. Knocked on his ass by Two Ton Galento, a man who if he had existed in the present era would have been fighting 4 rounders with Butterbean.

He only just beat Billy Conn who he outweighed by about 30 lbs.

He should have lost to Jersey Joe Walcott, the 40' and 50's version of Frank Bruno.

He was famously flat footed, his wooden performances in the ring matched only by his dark mahogany varnished wooden acting career.

They called him the Brown Bomber, truth is he just bombed.

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Originally Posted by bilbo

Louis was an overrated bum. Knocked on his ass by Two Ton Galento, a man who if he had existed in the present era would have been fighting 4 rounders with Butterbean.

He only just beat Billy Conn who he outweighed by about 30 lbs.

He should have lost to Jersey Joe Walcott, the 40' and 50's version of Frank Bruno.

He was famously flat footed, his wooden performances in the ring matched only by his dark mahogany varnished wooden acting career.

They called him the Brown Bomber, truth is he just bombed.

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To my mind he was an underrated boxer (due mainly to the excellent Jackie Blackburn), with fast, heavy hands.

But what truly defines his Greatness, is that he was a figurehead who IMO (sorry Paul Robeson, you were merely #2), did more than anyone before Martin Luther King to unify the Black and White people of the USA (in the 20th Century).

Kostya Tszyu

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Originally Posted by mucho testosterone

At one time, I really felt that Holyfield was. I liked his personality a lot. I also admired the way that he would get right back in the ring with people after they beat him.

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Holyfield was a great champ.....he has the heart of a champ and that puts him above almost every world champ ........

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Originally Posted by Memphis

Phil "The Power" Taylor?

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Hahaha ;D - Now that was funny ;)

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Originally Posted by bigragu

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Originally Posted by mucho testosterone

At one time, I really felt that Holyfield was. I liked his personality a lot. I also admired the way that he would get right back in the ring with people after they beat him.

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Holyfield was a great champ.....he has the heart of a champ and that puts him above almost every world champ ........

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if that were true then you could say gatti was on the same level

i was just assuming that great world champ was taking into consideration boxing skills, beating top level competition, and defending your belt against top level competition numerous times.

in my humble opinion, if you lack all of those qualities then you are not up for consideration as greatest champion of all time (unless we are talking about his cruiserweight days)

:P

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Originally Posted by Britkid

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Originally Posted by bilbo

Louis was an overrated bum. Knocked on his a** by Two Ton Galento, a man who if he had existed in the present era would have been fighting 4 rounders with Butterbean.

He only just beat Billy Conn who he outweighed by about 30 lbs.

He should have lost to Jersey Joe Walcott, the 40' and 50's version of Frank Bruno.

He was famously flat footed, his wooden performances in the ring matched only by his dark mahogany varnished wooden acting career.

They called him the Brown Bomber, truth is he just bombed.

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To my mind he was an underrated boxer (due mainly to the excellent Jackie Blackburn), with fast, heavy hands.

But what truly defines his Greatness, is that he was a figurehead who IMO (sorry Paul Robeson, you were merely #2), did more than anyone before Martin Luther King to unify the Black and White people of the USA (in the 20th Century).

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As much as I think bilbo's post was racially driven, I have to agree with him. We're not talking about what he did for his fellow man, but what he was capable of in the ring Mr. Britkid :)

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Originally Posted by Britkid

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Originally Posted by rsan-chez

Ricardo "Finito" Lopez

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Lopez was a superb fighter, but merely a title holder, never a World Champ.

To my mind the Greatest reign by a World Champion was Joe Louis' 37-49 reign; the Greatest overall World Champ IMO was Ray Robinson...

But if you want to talk alphabet crap, then Graciano Rocchigiani has to be the best, just for bankrupting the WBC (Wily Bribable Council)

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Originally Posted by raleights

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Originally Posted by Britkid

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Originally Posted by bilbo

Louis was an overrated bum. Knocked on his a** by Two Ton Galento, a man who if he had existed in the present era would have been fighting 4 rounders with Butterbean.

He only just beat Billy Conn who he outweighed by about 30 lbs.

He should have lost to Jersey Joe Walcott, the 40' and 50's version of Frank Bruno.

He was famously flat footed, his wooden performances in the ring matched only by his dark mahogany varnished wooden acting career.

They called him the Brown Bomber, truth is he just bombed.

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To my mind he was an underrated boxer (due mainly to the excellent Jackie Blackburn), with fast, heavy hands.

But what truly defines his Greatness, is that he was a figurehead who IMO (sorry Paul Robeson, you were merely #2), did more than anyone before Martin Luther King to unify the Black and White people of the USA (in the 20th Century).

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As much as I think bilbo's post was racially driven, I have to agree with him. We're not talking about what he did for his fellow man, but what he was capable of in the ring Mr. Britkid :)

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Normally I would agree with your statement, but there are a few exceptions, (normally at Heavyweight) when a fighter becomes an icon of his era and his Greatness increases because of his iconic status. In my opinion Joe Louis is a classic example of this.