Re: Ali would DEFINATLY have beaten a prime tyson ....why i know now??
ali has a great chin--never been ko'd--however his shadow was tko by holmes in 11--a prime ali could beat a prime tyson --cuz quick tillis survived a prime tyson--ali woud dance around and jab at tysons face all night--turing tysons face into pancake batter--ali would bang out a ud --not easily though
Re: Ali would DEFINATLY have beaten a prime tyson ....why i know now??
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Originally Posted by means2184
I was watching on YOUTUBE a 40 yr old Larry holmes for the 1st 2 rounds look good against mike early(when Mr.Tyson is supposed to be his best)
Anyway Larry was very awkward for tyson and was quite good at throwing those 1-2s and sidestepping ...if a 40 yr old holmes (who was a poor mans Ali to begin with)
can look good against tyson for a few minutes i KNOW Ali at ALMOST any age woulda one-two-step'ed his way to victory
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nlfs2...larry%20holmes <--clip i was watchin
I have absolutely NO IDEA how you can watch that clip and say anything negative about Tyson's performance or deduct that Tyson would have trouble with Ali. I don't know....maybe you loaded the wrong clip or something. I just watched one of the better heavies of the last 30 years back pedal like hell against a man that looked to be 4-5 inches shorter. Yes he was 40 but he was older than that when he outpointed Mercer.
I really can't say that Ali would have definitely beat prime Tyson and if anything, watching that clip simply reinforces an argument on Tysons behalf.
Tyson had the speed, the power and the movement and I believe that his chin would have held up against Ali. I think that he would have caught a lot of jabs coming in but then he would have started throwing bombs.
The only question in my mind is was Ali quick enough to dodge all of those hooks. If so then yes Ali wins on points. If not, then same outcome as Holmes fight.........different round.
Re: Ali would DEFINATLY have beaten a prime tyson ....why i know now??
If Henry Cooper can knock down Ali then Tyson easily could.
Re: Ali would DEFINATLY have beaten a prime tyson ....why i know now??
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Originally Posted by cockey cockney
If Henry Cooper can knock down Ali then Tyson easily could.
and that is ooh ahh ooh prime ali......tyson keeps him on the canvas! ;) :D
Re: Ali would DEFINATLY have beaten a prime tyson ....why i know now??
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If Henry Cooper can knock down Ali then Tyson easily could.
and that is ooh ahh ooh prime ali......tyson keeps him on the canvas! ;) :D
And a prime Tyson got WHUPPT by Douglas, a prime Ali fustrates, befuddles, and talks S*** to a prime Tyson, all the while beating his a**, Ali by UD or late T.K.O :stars:
Re: Ali would DEFINATLY have beaten a prime tyson ....why i know now??
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I doubt many educated boxing fans would argue against Ali beating a prime Tyson.
There is no evidence that Mike would break down or "collapse physically"......it would do the complete opposite.
Ok so I guess, Douglas, Holyfield (twice), Lewis, Williams and McBride don't count as evidence then? ::**
Tyson was incredibly strong and ferocious but it has to be said that whenever he stepped up in class and faced an unquestionable great, he lost, and every time his breakdown was as much mental as physical.
Yes, excuses can be made for him, but it doesn't alter the fact that mentally, whenever the going got tough, Mike had a little lay down on the canvas and quit.
If you can show me a fight where there didn't happen I will be converted.
Re: Ali would DEFINATLY have beaten a prime tyson ....why i know now??
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Originally Posted by cockey cockney
Tyson was a better fighter then Foreman, Liston, Patterson, Frazier and Norton. A young Tyson had all the tools to beat any heavyweight in history. His handspeed and power in both hands was frightening along with a great defence which is very overated. I think Mike could beat Ali.
He had the tools to beat decent fighters but not all the greats...THAT MY FRIEND I declare shenanigans on....do you accept the shenanigans?
Tyson had hand speed and power but guys who did he use them against?
Ali had hand speed and enough power to stop anyone he fought in his prime.
Joe Frazier was like a heavyweight version of Gatti or Ward, he was all heart and had a game plan and stuck to it.
Foreman would annihilate Mike Tyson, he was never bullied (until the Ali fight) he never backed down, he was 100 times badder than Mike he just didn't go all crazy on people like Mike did but he only did that to con them into watching his fights much like Mayorga or Vargas talk a ton of shit
Re: Ali would DEFINATLY have beaten a prime tyson ....why i know now??
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Originally Posted by Lyle
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Originally Posted by cockey cockney
Tyson was a better fighter then Foreman, Liston, Patterson, Frazier and Norton. A young Tyson had all the tools to beat any heavyweight in history. His handspeed and power in both hands was frightening along with a great defence which is very overated. I think Mike could beat Ali.
He had the tools to beat decent fighters but not all the greats...THAT MY FRIEND I declare shenanigans on....do you accept the shenanigans?
Tyson had hand speed and power but guys who did he use them against?
Ali had hand speed and enough power to stop anyone he fought in his prime.
Joe Frazier was like a heavyweight version of Gatti or Ward, he was all heart and had a game plan and stuck to it.
Foreman would annihilate Mike Tyson, he was never bullied (until the Ali fight) he never backed down, he was 100 times badder than Mike he just didn't go all crazy on people like Mike did but he only did that to con them into watching his fights much like Mayorga or Vargas talk a ton of S***
DAMMIT LYLE THERE IS NO WAY FOREMAN WOULD BEAT TYSON!!!!!!!!! NEVER!!!! I SAY NEVER
GEORGE WAS SLOW PREDICTABLE AND HAD A LEAKIER DEFENSE THAN A NO ARMED BOXER....
Sorry I got carried away... If Ron Lyle floored George than a Jab,Combo and Hook Tyson would overwhelm George with handspeed and power
Re: Ali would DEFINATLY have beaten a prime tyson ....why i know now??
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Joe Frazier was like a heavyweight version of Gatti or Ward, he was all heart and had a game plan and stuck to it.
Yeah and Frazier was anothe tortoise in the ring and your right all that heart and determination would work against him....Frazier coming forward and taking 2-3 shots to give one would end his night early..Frazier is Taylor made for Tyson.. King would have made that fight in a second!!!!! You think Foreman whipped him Tyson would Ruin his day..
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....Foreman had an uppercut that would knock Tyson senseless and you know how Tyson was used to getting on the inside....well Foreman had a right hook that would knock out Jesus.
Big George not only had the style to beat Mike (slow and predictible or not, it was effective) he had the mental capacity to beat Miek before they got in the ring.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvirl...orge%20foreman
Does Joe Frazier's head movement remind you of anyone?
...Mike Tyson perhaps?
Re: Ali would DEFINATLY have beaten a prime tyson ....why i know now??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msdme...orge%20foreman
hahahaha, look at him and Atlas
"Go get me a sandwich and sit down" - George
hahaha, BUUUUUURN Teddy
Re: Ali would DEFINATLY have beaten a prime tyson ....why i know now??
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Originally Posted by Lyle
....Foreman had an uppercut that would knock Tyson senseless and you know how Tyson was used to getting on the inside....well Foreman had a right hook that would knock out Jesus.
Big George not only had the style to beat Mike (slow and predictible or not, it was effective) he had the mental capacity to beat Miek before they got in the ring.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvirl...orge%20foreman
Does Joe Frazier's head movement remind you of anyone?
...Mike Tyson perhaps?
I'm with you on this Lyle.
Tyson was a great fighter, one of the most exciting and explosive fighters to watch but Foreman, Ali, Lewis and probably 2 or 3 others rank above him. Tyson was explosive but he didn't knock everybody out even in his prime, bums like Mitch Green and bonecrusher Smith took him the full 12 rounds so I see no reason to think big George would be getting knocked out.
Ali and Lennox Lewis will always have had the beating of Tyson, maybe Foreman, Holyfield, Jack Johnson, prime Larry Holmes and possibly a couple others.
Tyson was an all time great, no question, but a fringe great, hovering just inside or outside of the top 10, like Floyd Patterson and Joe Frazier.
Re: Ali would DEFINATLY have beaten a prime tyson ....why i know now??
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Originally Posted by Lyle
....Foreman had an uppercut that would knock Tyson senseless and you know how Tyson was used to getting on the inside....well Foreman had a right hook that would knock out Jesus.
Big George not only had the style to beat Mike (slow and predictible or not, it was effective) he had the mental capacity to beat Miek before they got in the ring.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvirl...orge%20foreman
Does Joe Frazier's head movement remind you of anyone?
...Mike Tyson perhaps?
How do you figure he would be beat before he entered the ring??? I Guess you never saw how fast and hard Tyson hit the bag..See you cant make comparisons between Frazier and Tyson Tyson was 10x more athletic and faster with his hands and feet he would jump on Foreman faster than a NYC mugging...Tyson was just as Ferocious as Foreman
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CC Bilbo....
And for "an arm puncher" George Foreman sure as hell had some power.
I just think that Tyson's skill was great but it was the stuff you can't see that held him back, heart, desire, dedication, determination.
Tyson couldn't be beaten for 10 rounds and end up KO-ing a guy in the last 2
Tyson couldn't get off the canvas to win
Tyson couldn't go to plan B
Tyson would rather party than train
I think Frazier would have been tough for Tyson. Frazier had up and down head movement with made it difficult to hook him but easy to uppercut. Tyson had side to side movement you could hook him and when he stopped you could upper cut him. Frazier just NEVER stopped moving his head or his hands even vs Ali in II and III.
Foreman learned from Sonny Liston, he had an aura of meanness that would make Tyson shit his pants. Tyson could be as fast as he wanted he would still lose
Re: Ali would DEFINATLY have beaten a prime tyson ....why i know now??
Nice videos Lyle.
Foreman was great.
As far as Tyson goes, I think prime Tyson had better movement than Frazier. If nothing else, this would have been a very tough fight for Ali. Like I said, if he could avoid Tysons hooks, then he would win but otherwise, he would fall.
Don't know how Lewis' name got brought up in this thread and I sure as shit don't know how anyone in their right mind could put Lewis and Ali in the same sentence.
Tyson did way more for boxing and was much more of an impressive fighter at his peak than Lewis ever was. When Lewis became champ, the popularity of the Heavyweight division plummeted......at least in this country it did.
