Re: ORTIZ SHAMROCK = BAD STOPPAGE
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Originally Posted by VanChilds
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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher
rampage KTFO chuck lidell, and silva nearly killed rampage twice... lidell is gonna be sorry
You could also make the argument that Tito and Vitor bet Wanderlei handily...and Chuck trounced both of them.  I respect Wanderlei and he is a great fighter.  Top 10 PFP in the world, but I don't understand the disdain for Chuck.  He has one of the best resumes in MMA in the world.  He has wins over Couture, Horn, Sobral, Tito, Vitor, Bustamante, Mezger, Monson, Randleman, and Overeem.  This fight could go either way and I'm sure it will be a barn burner, but lets not just hand it to Silva b/c he fights in a better org.
the belfort stoppage was worse then last nights fight, silva was fine and mcarthy fucked up, and ortiz was given a bs decision and he only survived cuz of the gay cage
watch the belfort stoppage in slow motion, no more then two punches land, and once again without that gay ass cage silva wouldnt have been against a wall
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Originally Posted by Munky
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Originally Posted by stebs
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Bad stoppage or not, I could care less. It ain't boxing
Then leave the mixed martial art site, and only return when you have something constructive to say.
To be fair i think it was posted in the boxing forum and then as a result of thi guys post moved to here. It should have been posted here in the first place.
the way i look at it MMA threads get to live for a while in the boxing board, then tehy go to thier home in MMA, it allows them more exposure
Re: ORTIZ SHAMROCK = BAD STOPPAGE
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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher
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Originally Posted by VanChilds
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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher
rampage KTFO chuck lidell, and silva nearly killed rampage twice... lidell is gonna be sorry
You could also make the argument that Tito and Vitor bet Wanderlei handily...and Chuck trounced both of them. I respect Wanderlei and he is a great fighter. Top 10 PFP in the world, but I don't understand the disdain for Chuck. He has one of the best resumes in MMA in the world. He has wins over Couture, Horn, Sobral, Tito, Vitor, Bustamante, Mezger, Monson, Randleman, and Overeem. This fight could go either way and I'm sure it will be a barn burner, but lets not just hand it to Silva b/c he fights in a better org.
the belfort stoppage was worse then last nights fight, silva was fine and mcarthy fucked up, and ortiz was given a bs decision and he only survived cuz of the gay cage
watch the belfort stoppage in slow motion, no more then two punches land, and once again without that gay a** cage silva wouldnt have been against a wall
If you are talking about belfort pounding silva then sorry..Silva was in space somewhere. He got caught and got pounded. It was a good stoppage. Ive watched the fight many many times.
Re: ORTIZ SHAMROCK = BAD STOPPAGE
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Originally Posted by Munky
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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher
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Originally Posted by VanChilds
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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher
rampage KTFO chuck lidell, and silva nearly killed rampage twice... lidell is gonna be sorry
You could also make the argument that Tito and Vitor bet Wanderlei handily...and Chuck trounced both of them. I respect Wanderlei and he is a great fighter. Top 10 PFP in the world, but I don't understand the disdain for Chuck. He has one of the best resumes in MMA in the world. He has wins over Couture, Horn, Sobral, Tito, Vitor, Bustamante, Mezger, Monson, Randleman, and Overeem. This fight could go either way and I'm sure it will be a barn burner, but lets not just hand it to Silva b/c he fights in a better org.
the belfort stoppage was worse then last nights fight, silva was fine and mcarthy fucked up, and ortiz was given a bs decision and he only survived cuz of the gay cage
watch the belfort stoppage in slow motion, no more then two punches land, and once again without that gay a** cage silva wouldnt have been against a wall
If you are talking about belfort pounding silva then sorry..Silva was in space somewhere. He got caught and got pounded. It was a good stoppage. Ive watched the fight many many times.
until silva hits the floor he is hit NO MORE then TWICE
that cage is the only reason belfort was able to even get him on the floor
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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher
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Originally Posted by Munky
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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher
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Originally Posted by VanChilds
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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher
rampage KTFO chuck lidell, and silva nearly killed rampage twice... lidell is gonna be sorry
You could also make the argument that Tito and Vitor bet Wanderlei handily...and Chuck trounced both of them. I respect Wanderlei and he is a great fighter. Top 10 PFP in the world, but I don't understand the disdain for Chuck. He has one of the best resumes in MMA in the world. He has wins over Couture, Horn, Sobral, Tito, Vitor, Bustamante, Mezger, Monson, Randleman, and Overeem. This fight could go either way and I'm sure it will be a barn burner, but lets not just hand it to Silva b/c he fights in a better org.
the belfort stoppage was worse then last nights fight, silva was fine and mcarthy fucked up, and ortiz was given a bs decision and he only survived cuz of the gay cage
watch the belfort stoppage in slow motion, no more then two punches land, and once again without that gay a** cage silva wouldnt have been against a wall
If you are talking about belfort pounding silva then sorry..Silva was in space somewhere. He got caught and got pounded. It was a good stoppage. Ive watched the fight many many times.
until silva hits the floor he is hit NO MORE then TWICE
that cage is the only reason belfort was able to even get him on the floor
Mate he hit the deck under the barrage of blows and was not getting up. When BJM stopped the fight wandy was still on the deck in space. IF it would have been allowed to carry on wandy would have taken more punishment. The fight was lost
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You can clearly see in the video,
I also felt at first that it was premature....I think the Ref should have waited another 5 seconds or so....
I see the only reason the ref stepped in was because of how the first Elbow looked, he was already stepping in after it was thrown....It wasnt the second or third...
So yeah, a bit premature IMHO...
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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher
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Originally Posted by VanChilds
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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher
rampage KTFO chuck lidell, and silva nearly killed rampage twice... lidell is gonna be sorry
You could also make the argument that Tito and Vitor bet Wanderlei handily...and Chuck trounced both of them. I respect Wanderlei and he is a great fighter. Top 10 PFP in the world, but I don't understand the disdain for Chuck. He has one of the best resumes in MMA in the world. He has wins over Couture, Horn, Sobral, Tito, Vitor, Bustamante, Mezger, Monson, Randleman, and Overeem. This fight could go either way and I'm sure it will be a barn burner, but lets not just hand it to Silva b/c he fights in a better org.
the belfort stoppage was worse then last nights fight, silva was fine and mcarthy fucked up, and ortiz was given a bs decision and he only survived cuz of the gay cage
watch the belfort stoppage in slow motion, no more then two punches land, and once again without that gay a** cage silva wouldnt have been against a wall
The thing is, you can't say had they not stopped it, Silva would of came back and knocked Vitor out. Silva wasn't that great of a fighter at the time, and even if allowed to continue no way would he of dealt with Vitor's handspeed. Of course today is a different story, but that was then.
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Originally Posted by BoxingCoachBW
You can clearly see in the video,
I also felt at first that it was premature....I think the Ref should have waited another 5 seconds or so....
I see the only reason the ref stepped in was because of how the first Elbow looked, he was already stepping in after it was thrown....It wasnt the second or third...
So yeah, a bit premature IMHO...
If the ref hadnt of stepped in when he did shamrock would of caught another 5-10 elbows in the face, and thats not good for nobody, good stopage imo.
You cant really say its a bad call unless you took a good hard elbow to the face................ while being on your back with your head stuck against a cage........ :P
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Originally Posted by Sheps
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Originally Posted by BoxingCoachBW
You can clearly see in the video,
I also felt at first that it was premature....I think the Ref should have waited another 5 seconds or so....
I see the only reason the ref stepped in was because of how the first Elbow looked, he was already stepping in after it was thrown....It wasnt the second or third...
So yeah, a bit premature IMHO...
If the ref hadnt of stepped in when he did shamrock would of caught another 5-10 elbows in the face, and thats not good for nobody, good stopage imo.
You cant really say its a bad call unless you took a good hard elbow to the face................ while being on your back with your head stuck against a cage........ :P
We train MMA Fighters in our Gym, I totally understand what its all about...
I just feel that with the years that both fighters have in the ring, 5 Secs more wouldnt have hurt...
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Originally Posted by Munky
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Originally Posted by stebs
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Bad stoppage or not, I could care less. It ain't boxing
Then leave the mixed martial art site, and only return when you have something constructive to say.
To be fair i think it was posted in the boxing forum and then as a result of thi guys post moved to here. It should have been posted here in the first place.
I didn't know that or I would have kept my mouth shut, if the original post was put in the boxing forum then Violent Demise's post is something I would expect to see. Is there a way to distinguish where a post originated. ?
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yes, the fact that i posted it = it was posted in boxing section 99% of the time, reguardless of content ;)
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Sal posts what he is eating for dinner in the boxing section ;)
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rich franklyn said it was a bad stoppage
he said if it was a rookie it would be ok, but for a shamrock it should continue
this from bubba the love sponge on howard 101
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First of all, I have to chime in on the Silva/Belfort fight. I don't care if Belfort only landed two punches. Two punches is twice as many as it takes in NHB fighting. Silva got caught (repeatedly) and he was DONE in that fight. Anyone can get caught though and Silva has proven that he has a great chin. Belfort's hands are blazing fast though and everything worked "just right" for him. Silva was a great fighter then... and he has been a great figher for a long time now. Belfort is such a underachiever and he knows it. It kinda makes me mad. He seems to be a great guy. I really hope he comes back around. The guy has such tremendous talent.
Anyway, the Ortiz/Shamrock fight was certainly a letdown. I was pretty upset at the stoppage initially, but after watching it a few times I realized 3 things. 1) Shamrock got nailed like five times and he wasn't protecting himself. His hands where up but they certainly weren't protecting his head. How many more would it have taken to seriously damage him? Maybe one or maybe none. I don't know, but I definitely don't want to see anyone seriously hurt out there. 2) In all honesty, suppose he survived that initial barrage, how much better do you think he could have done? Personally, I think he was in for a butt whoopin' any way you look at it. Ortiz may have gotten tired (a la the forest griffin fight), but I believe he was in far better shape this time around and shamrock isn't a forest griffin calibre fighter these days. 3) To be truthful, I was only upset due to the fact that I wanted to see a longer fight, not because the fight didn't need to be stopped. There was a lot of hype going into this and it was a let down to have it last less than a minute and twenty seconds... I'm sure my girlfriend has felt that way about me quite a few times.
P.S= Go silva!!
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she's fine with it because she's getting action with von milash. (hey now!) ;D ;)
Hey ENT, any chemical companies down there in SCarolina? I'm looking to move south... as close as possible to Myrtle Beach. I'm sick of the F'in snow!
