Re: Klitschko vs. Briggs?? W.T.F.!"?
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Originally Posted by Lyle
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
Disagree here...Rahman vs Wlad would be great...& yes...the other guy's are pretty much crap right now.
Well I meant aside from the other title holders.
Take a look at the "Contenders" out there
Sultan
Timor
Brock
Austin
Ruiz
Thompson
Scott (interesting because he hasn't been battle tested yet)
Chambers (same as above but for some reason I think he'll do well)
Dimitrenko (same as above)
McCline
Minto
Chagaev
Maskaev
McBride
As you can see there aren't many superstars waiting for shots.
How do we fix this predicament? EASY
#1 Title Unification Tournament
#2 During this unification the challengers should fight each other on the undercards to clear up 1-10 spots for after the unification
Agreed. Also...I wasn't trying to one up you with the "Rahman vs Wlad would be great" comment...just stating the fact that that would be the best fight out there.
#1: Unification Tournament is just so...I don't know...played out. You know King aint AINT gonna let that shat come to pass. Fwockin douche bag that he is...he still owns 200lbs.
#2: Good idea...but again...KING.
Re: Klitschko vs. Briggs?? W.T.F.!"?
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Originally Posted by plinden
Wladimir can never beat Corrie Sanders. There is no one who could prepare him for such fast precise hard left hands. I would love to see a rematch.
James Toney can never beat Corrie Sanders. Just imagine. The man is huge and fast and neve never goes down. (Remember ever IRon Fist couldnt knock him down.) Corrie is not an idiot like Rahman who stayed within the distance of fat toney (why?) Corrie is like WK in that he takes steps back to use distnance.
Golota would get very nervous against Corrie and that would settle it. A nervours Golota is a stiff.
Byrd could never beat Corrie.
Rahman could possible fight him even.
Remember it was VK himself who had to beat Corrie.
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News Flash, Rahman knocked out a younger in shape Sanders ;) And Vitali couldn't even drop and out of shape one who's only training was golf ;)
And you're crazy if you think neither James Toney or Chris Byrd could beat Sanders ::**
And lets not forget what Tubbs did to him ;)
Re: Klitschko vs. Briggs?? W.T.F.!"?
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Originally Posted by Starr
And lets not forget what Tubbs did to him ;)
I haven't. ;D
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
Nate Tubbs knocked Sanders out in two rounds...
Re: Klitschko vs. Briggs?? W.T.F.!"?
ok Sanders have 3 losses Rahman, Vitaly K, and Tubbs
In this sport u can get cought by a punch and lose it doesnt mean anything. Does it mean that Tubbs is as good as VK? haha
Ok so I still believe that the hardest fight for Corrie in the world was Vitali and that he surely would have been more than a handful for smaller guys given his speed.
You know he could have had a couple of Fun defences against easier opponents 9Ruiz Byrd Williams toney are all easier for him than VK):What boxer in his right mind wants to fight the klitschkos one after the other?
Only three losses: WK has 3 losses too.
Re: Klitschko vs. Briggs?? W.T.F.!"?
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Originally Posted by plinden
ok Sanders have 3 losses Rahman, Vitaly K, and Tubbs
In this sport u can get cought by a punch and lose it doesnt mean anything. Does it mean that Tubbs is as good as VK? haha
Agreed...especially against the upper tier fighters at 200lbs+.
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Originally Posted by plinden
Ok so I still believe that the hardest fight for Corrie in the world was Vitali and that he surely would have been more than a handful for smaller guys given his speed.
I agree. Prime or no prime...Vitali gave him one hell of a beating.
I think that Sanders would have been hell if he could have been marketed & matched a bit better.
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Originally Posted by plinden
You know he could have had a couple of Fun defences against easier opponents 9Ruiz Byrd Williams toney are all easier for him than VK):What boxer in his right mind wants to fight the klitschkos one after the other?
Sure...I would have loved to have seen him agianst Ruiz or Byrd.
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Originally Posted by plinden
Only three losses: WK has 3 losses too.
Starting to lose me here though. The thing about Wlad's losses are that he's begun to rebound from them.
I just wish that he'd have avenged the losses that he has.
Re: Klitschko vs. Briggs?? W.T.F.!"?
Wow!!! This is a fairly well-reasoned thread. :o
I'm offended...since my name and reputation is at stake! >:mad ;D
One thing that I would add:
Briggs has a helluva jab himself. He's demonstrated this time and time again. I think they will both be
very tentative at first. Whoever get's the first crack in puts the other to sleep. Briggs doesn't have much
of a chin himself.
Re: Klitschko vs. Briggs?? W.T.F.!"?
Briggs has a good jab but Wlad does a good job of establishing his UNLIKE how Lewis did vs Briggs and what that will do is set up a chance to counter Briggs' right cross because you know he'll throw it and once he misses the left hook should be there.
Shannon will be the tenative one because he hasn't fought any punchers lately
Re: Klitschko vs. Briggs?? W.T.F.!"?
Earnie Shavers could hit hard too, but what the fuck does it prove?
Yeah Sanders rocked Wlad but he didn't "put him to sleep" he just kept knocking him down...it ain't like he was knocked cold or anything
Re: Klitschko vs. Briggs?? W.T.F.!"?
Vladimir ought to say:
"I'm champ, but I got a lot of ground to make up. I got KTFO by Sanders and Brewster, and looked foolish in the process. I got the physical tools to be the best, and dadgumit!!.... I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna fight nothing but the best out there. I'm gonna clean up the division. I'm gonna make people watch the heavyweights again."
But instead, he'll say:
"Well, I'm champ. Let's see how long I can hang on to this belt without fighting anyone TOO good. Oughta be easy, seeing as to how f*cked up the division is. Fight a few bums, wait 10-12 months in between fights, get a few million, and retire and open a deli with brother Vitali. Hmmmm... as long as no one touches my suspect chin....."
Re: Klitschko vs. Briggs?? W.T.F.!"?
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Earnie Shavers could hit hard too, but what the F*** does it prove?
Yeah Sanders rocked Wlad but he didn't "put him to sleep" he just kept knocking him down...it ain't like he was knocked cold or anything
My point is not that WK is bad, he is great, my point is that Sanders is/was as good or better. And Lennox Lewis agrees with me.
Re: Klitschko vs. Briggs?? W.T.F.!"?
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Originally Posted by TitoFan
Vladimir ought to say:
"I'm champ, but I got a lot of ground to make up.  I got KTFO by Sanders and Brewster, and looked foolish in the process.  I got the physical tools to be the best, and dadgumit!!.... I'm gonna do it.  I'm gonna fight nothing but the best out there.  I'm gonna clean up the division.  I'm gonna make people watch the heavyweights again."
But instead, he'll say:
"Well, I'm champ.  Let's see how long I can hang on to this belt without fighting anyone TOO good.  Oughta be easy, seeing as to how f*cked up the division is.  Fight a few bums, wait 10-12 months in between fights, get a few million, and retire and open a deli with brother Vitali.  Hmmmm... as long as no one touches my suspect chin....."
Well compared to Oleg Maskaev, Kevin McBride, and Owen Beck, how does Shannon Briggs stack up?
And out of Rahman, Lyakhovich, Valuev, and Wlad who KO'd the title holder they fought to earn their belt?
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Originally Posted by plinden
My point is not that WK is bad, he is great, my point is that Sanders is/was as good or better. And Lennox Lewis agrees with me.
Lennox said those things because he A) Had a promotional intrest in Sanders' fight vs Vitali and B) Didn't want to rematch Vitali
He was good but he never really got in good enough shape
Re: Klitschko vs. Briggs?? W.T.F.!"?
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Originally Posted by Lyle
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Originally Posted by TitoFan
Vladimir ought to say:
"I'm champ, but I got a lot of ground to make up. I got KTFO by Sanders and Brewster, and looked foolish in the process. I got the physical tools to be the best, and dadgumit!!.... I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna fight nothing but the best out there. I'm gonna clean up the division. I'm gonna make people watch the heavyweights again."
But instead, he'll say:
"Well, I'm champ. Let's see how long I can hang on to this belt without fighting anyone TOO good. Oughta be easy, seeing as to how f*cked up the division is. Fight a few bums, wait 10-12 months in between fights, get a few million, and retire and open a deli with brother Vitali. Hmmmm... as long as no one touches my suspect chin....."
Well compared to Oleg Maskaev, Kevin McBride, and Owen Beck, how does Shannon Briggs stack up?
And out of Rahman, Lyakhovich, Valuev, and Wlad who KO'd the title holder they fought to earn their belt?
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Originally Posted by plinden
My point is not that WK is bad, he is great, my point is that Sanders is/was as good or better. And Lennox Lewis agrees with me.
Lennox said those things because he A) Had a promotional intrest in Sanders' fight vs Vitali and B) Didn't want to rematch Vitali
He was good but he never really got in good enough shape
I just watched the Rahman - Corrie fight. Rahman got knocked down, and Corrie was just doing some little ropa-dope he was not being hit really just covering up waiting to counter and the referee decedides to stop the fight.
So he was in good enough shape to beat any one including Lewis, Tyson (perfect for him jabbing hitting hard and being really tough) WK, Ruiz, Rahman (who knocked down in 3rd round) Holyfield, or anyone they just avoided fighting him. I BELIEVE THAT Lennox Lewis is honest when he says that he would not want to fight Corrie and that people are ducking him. It was 8rounds of slugfest with VK.
Re: Klitschko vs. Briggs?? W.T.F.!"?
It wasn't an 8 round slugfest....well let's rephrase that it wasn't a slugfest for 8 rounds it maybe was one for 4 but Corrie got tired and was getting his shit handed to him by the 6th
and Sanders MAY have been able to beat a lot of guys but he didn't
if the world was ruled by Shoulda, Coulda, Woulda then Big John Tate and Buster Douglas would have been some of the best heavyweights who ever lived
Re: Klitschko vs. Briggs?? W.T.F.!"?
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Originally Posted by Lyle
It wasn't an 8 round slugfest....well let's rephrase that it wasn't a slugfest for 8 rounds it maybe was one for 4 but Corrie got tired and was getting his S*** handed to him by the 6th
and Sanders MAY have been able to beat a lot of guys but he didn't
if the world was ruled by Shoulda, Coulda, Woulda then Big John Tate and Buster Douglas would have been some of the best heavyweights who ever lived
Ok perhaps we agree my only point is that Corrie is as good as Rahman and WK and Golota and Byrd and Ruiz or any other and probably better. I do think that VK is one that he cant beat so I agree; but he could have thought it more carefully and better prepared in any case who can go 8 rounds slugging w VK and still stand? In any case he knocked down Rahman and was then stopped by referee when covering up. I think that Corrie was one of the top 3-4 hw for about ten years and he was improving.
