Who's Number 1? ESPN Counts Down the 20 Greatest Boxers of All Time

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Originally Posted by TheReturnOfAGsmurf2

I dont know much about old fighters,so just bare with me:

1.Ray Robinson
2.Muhammed Ali
3.Ray Leonard
4.RJJ
5.Pernell Whitaker
6.Roberto Duran
7.Marvin Hagler
8.Julio Cesar Chavez
9.Joe Louis
10.Bernard Hopkins
11.Archie Moore
12.Alexis Arguello
13.Ezzard Charles
14.Benny Leonard
15.Carlos Monzon
16.Gene Tunney
17.Evander Holyfield
18.Tommy Hearns
19.Ricardo Lopez
20.Oscar Delahoya

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Not a bad one to be honest.
got a good order to it.

to answer your question bro they had ALI as #1, their top 10 had Henry Armstrong, Jack Johnson, Jack Dempsey, Rocky Marciano, SRR. I believe SRR was # 2 on their list. they had RJJ like # 15. Holmes was #20. it was cool to see all the old school rare nostalgic footage especially of Jack Johnson, SRR, Marciano etc.

theres footage of ALI saying, "I am the greatest HW of all time!" but the greatest pound for pound was SRR". i was suprised to see that since ALI was such a cocky bastard, but i love him anyway ahahaha.

on now if anyone cares.

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Originally Posted by 1st rd ko

on now if anyone cares.

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Yup. You should care to, even if you disagree it's a great program. They have Tunney on there. That's great. I really didn't expect that given how he was one of the more shunned fighters in history with the long count debacle and everything.

WHAT!!!! :o
Are they crazy? or what?

Duran# 16 but RJJ# 15 thats the stupidest most insane shet! I have ever heard. (That and Naz is one of the greats) ;D

Dempsey #5
Marciano# 4
SRR# 3
Joe Louis# 2
Ali# 1

Who in the hell contributed to this list?

i much enjoyed the historical element of it. they said that when Joe Louis fought Max Schmeling that it was all of america fighting Hitler hahaha. They said when Joe Louis KO'd Max it was like the US KO'ing Hitler in one round hahahaa. i love that nostalgic ishhhhh man.

Thats bull!!! Where was Hopkins!?!?!?

they did a similiar countdown of the best HW of all time. they had Joe Louis at #1 and ALi at #2. Bert Sugar thought Joe Louis would knock out ALi. then they had Holmes and that fat Latin HW that ALI fought cant remember his name at the moment both barking about how ALI would defeat Joe Louis with ease. Do to his speed and moves. O0

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

WHAT!!!! :o
Are they crazy? or what?

Duran# 16 but RJJ# 15 thats the stupidest most insane shet! I have ever heard. (That and Naz is one of the greats) ;D

Dempsey #5
Marciano# 4
SRR# 3
Joe Louis# 2
Ali# 1

Who in the hell contributed to this list?

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Well from the sounds of it, definitely not Bert Sugar or Max Kellerman ;D

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Originally Posted by Starr

Thats bull!!! Where was Hopkins!?!?!?

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At 21 ;)

My opinion anyways but he'll probably move up with hindsight.

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Originally Posted by TheReturnOfAGsmurf2

I dont know much about old fighters,so just bare with me:

1.Ray Robinson
2.Muhammed Ali
3.Ray Leonard
4.RJJ
5.Pernell Whitaker
6.Roberto Duran
7.Marvin Hagler
8.Julio Cesar Chavez
9.Joe Louis
10.Bernard Hopkins
11.Archie Moore
12.Alexis Arguello
13.Ezzard Charles
14.Benny Leonard
15.Carlos Monzon
16.Gene Tunney
17.Evander Holyfield
18.Tommy Hearns
19.Ricardo Lopez
20.Oscar Delahoya

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What an exemplary list of superb fighers; I certainly missed Rocky Marciano though. :'(

The problem with ESPN doing it, is they are probably only ever going to list fighters they have footage of. BritKid


Oh, how true that is...


Alot of these "top" whatever shows are like that.

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Originally Posted by amat

This is mine....

1. Ray Robinson
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Willie Pep
4. Henry Armstrong
5. Benny Leonard
6. Gene Tunney
7. Joe Louis
8. Stanley Ketchel
9. Lou Ambers
10. Archie Moore
11. Pernell Whitaker
12. Carlos Monzon
13. Alexis Arguello
14. Emile Griffith
15. Kid Chocolate
16. Ray Leonard
17. Roberto Duran
18. Jack Dempsey
19. Oscar De La Hoya
20. Julio Cesar Chavez

Not the best list and I'm sure it could use some fine tuning, bit of era-clumping in there but I like it.

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If given time im sure i could come up with a better one, but off the top of my head this is mine (Bearing in mind all these fighters are listed as in theyr prime! ;)) :

1:Roy jones jr
2:Floyd Mayweather Jr
3:Muhammad Ali
4:Ray Robinson
5:Mike Tyson.
6:Julio Cesar Chavez
7:Pernell Whittaker.
8:Sugar Ray Leonard.
9:Oscar De La Hoya
10:Bernard Hopkins
11:Marvin Hagler
12:Roberto Duran
13:Felix Trinidad
14:'Winky' Wright.
15:Manny Pacquiao.
16:Rocky Marciano.
17:Marco Antonio Barrera.
18:( struggling to convince myself) Naseem hamed (but he was unique and a heavy hitter for his wieght) lol
19:Shane Mosely
20:Antonio tarver.

Like i said this is the roughest assss draft i could dream up, and quite frankly only consists of people i like and are of modern times, and if theyr not of modern times its becuase they are legends that must be included, and its a bit of a shambles cos i know theyrs some here and there that even by my standards either shouldnt be in, or should be higher or lower in the list.... so yeh , enjoy :-\

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this list i cannot agree with...

The List should be separated by weight class.
Either way Muhammed Ali is the Best.
If his mind was was right and he trained as if he respected you there was no one that was going to beat him.
He was 56-5 with 37 Knockouts.
His five losses, 2 were after being out of the ring for 2 years against a prime Larry Holmes and a not so bad Trevor Berbick and pushing 40 years of age.
One was playing with Leon Spinks for 15 rounds and still almost winning, a fight he avenged 7 months later,
another was having to fight the remainder of 12 rounds with a broken jaw against Ken Norton and still only losing a split decision, a fight he avenged twice,
and his first was after being out of action for 3 1/2 years, training lightly and taking a prime Joe Frazier lightly, and still going 15 rounds and putting Smokin' Joe in the Hospital, he avenged that fight twice as well.
No one has ever been as fast with his hands and lateral movement, as quick with their feet and as sharpe of mind on how to figure out their opponent or to get inside of their head, or able to take a punch as well to the head or to the body.
No way Ali ever loses the first fight to Frazier if he holds on to his title and continues to fight during that 3 1/2 years of his prime he lost in the late '60's.
He was 29-0 when they stripped him of his title and 31-0 when he fought Frazier. He would have been about 35-0 after he would have whipped Frazier by the time they met in the Spring of '71.
Ali recorded KO's of Sonny Liston, Floyd Patterson, Joe Frazier, and George Foreman.
He won the Heavyweight title three times and defended 19 times. 9 times after his first title win and 10 after his second title win.
If not stripped of his title he easily breaks Joe Louis' record for title defenses.
Like Louis he was the best fighter of two separate decades.
Zora Folley, who many were comparing to Joe Louis in style and approach, and who everyone at the time believed had the best chance of beating the much hated Muhammed Ali of the 1960's, said after he was knocked out by Ali, that Louis would not have stood a chance against Ali.
He said that Ali was just too fast and that he was too hard to try and hit, and the punch that knocked him, Folley, out, he never saw coming.

I don't have the bet knowledge of older fighters but ive tried to make a list hope you wish to comment on it

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Muhammed Ali
3. Sugar Ray Leonard
4. Roy Jones Junior
5. Willlie Pep
6. Henry Armstrong
7. Joe Louis
8. Pernell Whitaker
9. Julio Ceaser Chavez
10. Marvin Hagler
11. Carlos Monzon
12. Jack Johnson
13. Rocky Marciano
14. Bernard Hopkins
15. Emile Griffith
16. Roberto Duran
17. Jack Dempsey
18. Benny Leonard
19. Gene Tunney
20. Larry Holmes