Why Exactly Did Tito move up to 160lbs?

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Originally Posted by Starr

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Originally Posted by El Phenomena

I would have preferred to stay at 154 and cleaned up,kicked a**. Even now,I know he won't come back but if he was to,I think the would KTFO everyone there!!

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Not Oscar, not Ouma, not Quartey, not Mosley ;)

What happened to all the "Trinidad will beat Roy Jones Jr one day" talk that was floating around aftert he Joppy fight ::** I guess everyone expected Hopkins to fight Trinidad as if Trinidad was 154 pounds. Hindsight is fun..but when just about everyone was saying that Trinidad would knock out Hopkins and be the rightful owner of the Sugar Ray Robinson trophy.. they were practically preparing the parade for him!! Then Hopkins beats him and its "Why did Trinidad go to 160" ::** May as well say "Why did Roy go back down to LightHeavyweight, everyone knows he wasn't the same when he did.." But instead its "Roy is an overrated who got knocked out by Tarver and Johnson" meanwhile Trinidad gets the "too brave for his own good" speech? ::**

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sorry sweetcheeks tito would drop quartey and ouma without a second thought. no disrespect to the dream!! i love the guy, but F*ck quartey, i believe hed beat oscar and mosely would be a great fight i'd still put my money on prime tito, n probably stil would now.

other points( not trying to be orrible jus mentionin!)
all the fans were talking of rjj-tito long before joppy, there was like two roy jones your next banners at either the oscar fight or the vargas fight!
i agree with you for the roy jones part definately!! you know the score! he should have definately stayed at heavyweight, and there were great fights for roy at the time!
and the trinidad thing was a false sense of security with joppy bieng a mediocre warm up so to speak for a big middleweight unification bout, also tito just has awsome technique in his punches that contributes to his power and also there was some conroversy of how tito had wrapped his hands during to joopy fight... long story cut short, tito should have stayed at light middle!! ;)

Yeah Trinidad went to middleweight on his way to Jones Jr, the plan wasn't to fight Hopkins originally as Papa Trinidad & King were saying they considered Joppy the best middleweight. But there was no avoiding Hopkins & that's where one of the biggest possible super fights ended! While Trinidad was in retirement he was huge getting down to 160 for Mayorga was probably an effort, the the Wright fight was for big $$$. That's why I think he stayed around at 160. Maybe if he was successful with Wright he may have had a rematch with Hopkins in the back of his mind as well.

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Originally Posted by Majesty

Starr clear your PM's!!!!

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done ;)

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Originally Posted by El Phenomena

I would have preferred to stay at 154 and cleaned up,kicked ass. Even now,I know he won't come back but if he was to,I think the would KTFO everyone there!!

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Even if he would have stayed at 154 he would have had to deal with Wright, Wright was the undisputed jr middleweight champ and it was he who moved up to fight tito at 160 pounds. I think tito always had middleweight power but itz just that middleweights could take his punch better than the welterweights coz he did knock out joppy and cheriffi, I know they are not your top notch fighters but were both natural middleweights

Tito was supposed to fight Jones??

I missed that one!

Anyway, the pictures a bit clearer now, thanks peeps.

alot of people give oscar the benifit of the doubt when getting ko'd by hopkins dont do the same for tito. tito was a man on a mission who challenged himself and overstepped his limit. he had to much heart

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Originally Posted by Starr

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Originally Posted by El Phenomena

I would have preferred to stay at 154 and cleaned up,kicked a**. Even now,I know he won't come back but if he was to,I think the would KTFO everyone there!!

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Not Definitely Oscar, not ditto Ouma, not ditto Quartey, not maybe not Mosley ;)

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Just thought I'd correct it for you. ;)

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sorry no chance in hell would Trinidad KO DLH, and i highly doubt he would Mosley, only maybe if he's able to get Mosley to trade like Vargas was able to, and that's about his only chance, yea he would be able to both Ouma and Quartey, but not likely against the other two

The old saying 'styles makes fights' is often used, wheras 'weight makes fighters' is very rarely made.

I think the loss to B-hop was a number of points really - primarily that Tito's team presumed that Hopkins was a little dangerous, but slightly on the decline, thus would make an engaging & entertaining fight whilst it lasted. Also that Tito's power would be enough to claim the win and finally perhaps a little 'looking past B-hop' crept in whilst in their prep.

Tito just didnt seem his usual self in that fight and was relying on Plan A a little too much. I would have preffered Tito to have tried a few more angles on B-hop, rather than soley standing square on in front of him.

It was a shock that night - but Tito was very good in defeat and took it very gallantly and for that gained even more of my respect.

If a last-hurrah were planned for Tito then we might possibly see a Renaissance-man, as for all the benefits of fighting, there are other benefits from resting away from the sport. Being in camp and in battle after battle can be detrimental - maybe we'll see a hungry refreshed Tito....fighting at 154?

Who knows - its what makes boxing so interesting ! :)

IMO ego....Tito is one of those guys who refuses to accept his limits....Plus IMO he may have believed the Hopkins loss was just an off night.....If PBF moves to 154 the same thing will happen to him....

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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

IMO ego....Tito is one of those guys who refuses to accept his limits....Plus IMO he may have believed the Hopkins loss was just an off night.....If PBF moves to 154 the same thing will happen to him....

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yeh ego is a factor....but i cant blame tito for it... he was blessed with power....
so it seemed it was probably that he was indeed blessed with power and was in actual fact naturally about middle wieght and when he fought at welter he had the power of a middleweight and then when he fought at 154 he still had middleweight power and sokme natural gifted power and because the illusion that he could still hang in at middle was set by joppy who i dont much care for!! thats how hopkins took tito apart....and to be honest im so glad it was bhop... if it were anyone else i would be gutted.. but i love bhop nearly as much as i do tito...
got to admit though, tito never ducked anyone and he was hella entertaining
theres a side of me that thinks hes still relatively young and in great shape... why not come back and clear up.... but then again i would be gutted if he failed lost more fights and retired again!!
so i say he should stay at home and enjoy his money!

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Originally Posted by body head banger

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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

IMO ego....Tito is one of those guys who refuses to accept his limits....Plus IMO he may have believed the Hopkins loss was just an off night.....If PBF moves to 154 the same thing will happen to him....

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yeh ego is a factor....but i cant blame tito for it... he was blessed with power....
so it seemed it was probably that he was indeed blessed with power and was in actual fact naturally about middle wieght and when he fought at welter he had the power of a middleweight and then when he fought at 154 he still had middleweight power and sokme natural gifted power and because the illusion that he could still hang in at middle was set by joppy who i dont much care for!! thats how hopkins took tito apart....and to be honest im so glad it was bhop... if it were anyone else i would be gutted.. but i love bhop nearly as much as i do tito...
got to admit though, tito never ducked anyone and he was hella entertaining
theres a side of me that thinks hes still relatively young and in great shape... why not come back and clear up.... but then again i would be gutted if he failed lost more fights and retired again!!
so i say he should stay at home and enjoy his money!

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Hey I don't care who you are there is no shame in losing to Hopkins...Tito is only one of many good fighters who have lost to a guy who may be the best or second best middleweight champion in history...