Re: tyson should of been dq in 2nd ruddock fight
I would say if Steale was doing the Bustor Douglas fight Tyson would off win...
Re: tyson should of been dq in 2nd ruddock fight
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Originally Posted by Starr
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Funny how I see posts that blame refs. for the loss of a boxer.
Steels fault Taylor lost to Chavez
Nady's fault Zab lost to Tszyu
Stop blaming refs. now I agree there have been bad refereeing BUT to say Steels the worst ever is IMO an exaggeration.
Naw man, it's no exaggeration. Steele is the worse ref today and the worse of the last 25 years.
If there were 30 seconds left in the Taylor fight would you have blamed Steele for stopping it?
If it was stopped the same way, yeah. If Steele would of let Taylor continue and Chavez continued to batter him, than, no I would not of knocked Steele. That's a 28 second difference. A lot of damage can be done in 28 seconds. But Steele didn't let Taylor continue. And there were only 2 seconds left. Which means Chavez gets at the most (if even that) one shot at Taylor before the bell rings to end the fight. Taylor fought an outstanding fight. He faded badly at the end as Chavez rallied. He got dropped. But he got up. Like your suppose too. No excuse for that fight being stopped. It was a championship fight. And Taylor had earned the right to continue.
Re: tyson should of been dq in 2nd ruddock fight
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by Starr
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
Funny how I see posts that blame refs. for the loss of a boxer.
Steels fault Taylor lost to Chavez
Nady's fault Zab lost to Tszyu
Stop blaming refs. now I agree there have been bad refereeing BUT to say Steels the worst ever is IMO an exaggeration.
Naw man, it's no exaggeration. Steele is the worse ref today and the worse of the last 25 years.
If there were 30 seconds left in the Taylor fight would you have blamed Steele for stopping it?
If it was stopped the same way, yeah. If Steele would of let Taylor continue and Chavez continued to batter him, than, no I would not of knocked Steele. That's a 28 second difference. A lot of damage can be done in 28 seconds. But Steele didn't let Taylor continue. And there were only 2 seconds left. Which means Chavez gets at the most (if even that) one shot at Taylor before the bell rings to end the fight. Taylor fought an outstanding fight. He faded badly at the end as Chavez rallied. He got dropped. But he got up. Like your suppose too. No excuse for that fight being stopped. It was a championship fight. And Taylor had earned the right to continue.
But it seems like everyone is assuming that Steele knew there was 2 seconds left. What Steele knew was what he said "I had a hurt fighter in front of me and to me he'd had enough"
Now whether there was 2 seconds left is when it happened but I don't think that Steele had it in his mind there was 2 seconds left.
If there were 30 seconds left then I think Chavez WOULD have battered him.
But everyone seems to be stating it as if Steele knew there was 2 seconds left. And he didn't. So he stopped the fight.
That is understandable to me.
I would only knock Steele if he "knew" there were 2 seconds left and stopped it, but he didnt so why knock him for it?
know what I'm saying?
Re: tyson should of been dq in 2nd ruddock fight
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Originally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes
Mayweather should have been DQ'd in the Ndou fight.
Robert Guererro should have been DQ'd in his last fight.
Forrest should have been DQ'd in the first Mosley fight
An elephant should have a square ass so it can shit bricks..
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that was funny you get a cool click for that friend
Re: tyson should of been dq in 2nd ruddock fight
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Originally Posted by Starr
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by Starr
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
Funny how I see posts that blame refs. for the loss of a boxer.
Steels fault Taylor lost to Chavez
Nady's fault Zab lost to Tszyu
Stop blaming refs. now I agree there have been bad refereeing BUT to say Steels the worst ever is IMO an exaggeration.
Naw man, it's no exaggeration. Steele is the worse ref today and the worse of the last 25 years.
If there were 30 seconds left in the Taylor fight would you have blamed Steele for stopping it?
If it was stopped the same way, yeah. If Steele would of let Taylor continue and Chavez continued to batter him, than, no I would not of knocked Steele. That's a 28 second difference. A lot of damage can be done in 28 seconds. But Steele didn't let Taylor continue. And there were only 2 seconds left. Which means Chavez gets at the most (if even that) one shot at Taylor before the bell rings to end the fight. Taylor fought an outstanding fight. He faded badly at the end as Chavez rallied. He got dropped. But he got up. Like your suppose too. No excuse for that fight being stopped. It was a championship fight. And Taylor had earned the right to continue.
But it seems like everyone is assuming that Steele knew there was 2 seconds left. What Steele knew was what he said "I had a hurt fighter in front of me and to me he'd had enough"
Now whether there was 2 seconds left is when it happened but I don't think that Steele had it in his mind there was 2 seconds left.
If there were 30 seconds left then I think Chavez WOULD have battered him.
But everyone seems to be stating it as if Steele knew there was 2 seconds left. And he didn't. So he stopped the fight.
That is understandable to me.
I would only knock Steele if he "knew" there were 2 seconds left and stopped it, but he didnt so why knock him for it?
know what I'm saying?
Sorry dear, but that's bullshit. After dominating most of the fight, everybody was wondering if Taylor was going to hang on. Every body was paying attention to the fight and wondering at the round time. Steele was the referee, he was one of them. After all them fights he had refereed before, he should of known that the round was close to ending. Steele said he did not know, that there was only 2 seconds left. What was he suppose to say? "I knew there was 2 seconds left, but I decided to stop it anyway." He would of really been crucified. Steele knew he fucked up by ignoring the red light in the corner that said there was less than 10 seconds in the round. He just decided to play the stupid role by saying he did not know the time left.
Re: tyson should of been dq in 2nd ruddock fight
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Originally Posted by Starr
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by Starr
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
Funny how I see posts that blame refs. for the loss of a boxer.
Steels fault Taylor lost to Chavez
Nady's fault Zab lost to Tszyu
Stop blaming refs. now I agree there have been bad refereeing BUT to say Steels the worst ever is IMO an exaggeration.
Naw man, it's no exaggeration. Steele is the worse ref today and the worse of the last 25 years.
If there were 30 seconds left in the Taylor fight would you have blamed Steele for stopping it?
If it was stopped the same way, yeah. If Steele would of let Taylor continue and Chavez continued to batter him, than, no I would not of knocked Steele. That's a 28 second difference. A lot of damage can be done in 28 seconds. But Steele didn't let Taylor continue. And there were only 2 seconds left. Which means Chavez gets at the most (if even that) one shot at Taylor before the bell rings to end the fight. Taylor fought an outstanding fight. He faded badly at the end as Chavez rallied. He got dropped. But he got up. Like your suppose too. No excuse for that fight being stopped. It was a championship fight. And Taylor had earned the right to continue.
But it seems like everyone is assuming that Steele knew there was 2 seconds left. What Steele knew was what he said "I had a hurt fighter in front of me and to me he'd had enough"
Now whether there was 2 seconds left is when it happened but I don't think that Steele had it in his mind there was 2 seconds left.
If there were 30 seconds left then I think Chavez WOULD have battered him.
But everyone seems to be stating it as if Steele knew there was 2 seconds left. And he didn't. So he stopped the fight.
That is understandable to me.
I would only knock Steele if he "knew" there were 2 seconds left and stopped it, but he didnt so why knock him for it?
know what I'm saying?
In each corner there are poles with lights on top the lights blink at the last 10 sec...They had been blinking they are noticable Very noticible just for that reason....Not that it matters to me either way but Im just saying that to help clear up the matter about Steele not being able to know about approx how much time is left.....In some fights they use them in case the ref corners or fighters themselves don't hear the 10 sec knock...They are not in every fight but they were present in the Chavez Taylor bout
Re: tyson should of been dq in 2nd ruddock fight
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by Starr
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by Starr
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
Funny how I see posts that blame refs. for the loss of a boxer.
Steels fault Taylor lost to Chavez
Nady's fault Zab lost to Tszyu
Stop blaming refs. now I agree there have been bad refereeing BUT to say Steels the worst ever is IMO an exaggeration.
Naw man, it's no exaggeration. Steele is the worse ref today and the worse of the last 25 years.
If there were 30 seconds left in the Taylor fight would you have blamed Steele for stopping it?
If it was stopped the same way, yeah. If Steele would of let Taylor continue and Chavez continued to batter him, than, no I would not of knocked Steele. That's a 28 second difference. A lot of damage can be done in 28 seconds. But Steele didn't let Taylor continue. And there were only 2 seconds left. Which means Chavez gets at the most (if even that) one shot at Taylor before the bell rings to end the fight. Taylor fought an outstanding fight. He faded badly at the end as Chavez rallied. He got dropped. But he got up. Like your suppose too. No excuse for that fight being stopped. It was a championship fight. And Taylor had earned the right to continue.
But it seems like everyone is assuming that Steele knew there was 2 seconds left. What Steele knew was what he said "I had a hurt fighter in front of me and to me he'd had enough"
Now whether there was 2 seconds left is when it happened but I don't think that Steele had it in his mind there was 2 seconds left.
If there were 30 seconds left then I think Chavez WOULD have battered him.
But everyone seems to be stating it as if Steele knew there was 2 seconds left. And he didn't. So he stopped the fight.
That is understandable to me.
I would only knock Steele if he "knew" there were 2 seconds left and stopped it, but he didnt so why knock him for it?
know what I'm saying?
Sorry dear, but that's bullshit. After dominating most of the fight, everybody was wondering if Taylor was going to hang on. Every body was paying attention to the fight and wondering at the round time. Steele was the referee, he was one of them. After all them fights he had refereed before, he should of known that the round was close to ending. Steele said he did not know, that there was only 2 seconds left. What was he suppose to say? "I knew there was 2 seconds left, but I decided to stop it anyway." He would of really been crucified. Steele knew he fucked up by ignoring the red light in the corner that said there was less than 10 seconds in the round. He just decided to play the stupid role by saying he did not know the time left.
The fact that there were only 2 seconds left means absolutely nothing. The rules state, if a fighter does not respond to a referee during the count, it's a TKO. This rule does not disappear in the last 2 seconds of a fight. The fact that Chavez wouldn't have made it across the ring in time had it continued means nothing. If Steele had let a fighter continue who was non responsive, he would have been cheating for that fighter, it's that simple.
Re: tyson should of been dq in 2nd ruddock fight
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Originally Posted by Samson3000
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by Starr
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by Starr
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
Funny how I see posts that blame refs. for the loss of a boxer.
Steels fault Taylor lost to Chavez
Nady's fault Zab lost to Tszyu
Stop blaming refs. now I agree there have been bad refereeing BUT to say Steels the worst ever is IMO an exaggeration.
Naw man, it's no exaggeration. Steele is the worse ref today and the worse of the last 25 years.
If there were 30 seconds left in the Taylor fight would you have blamed Steele for stopping it?
If it was stopped the same way, yeah. If Steele would of let Taylor continue and Chavez continued to batter him, than, no I would not of knocked Steele. That's a 28 second difference. A lot of damage can be done in 28 seconds. But Steele didn't let Taylor continue. And there were only 2 seconds left. Which means Chavez gets at the most (if even that) one shot at Taylor before the bell rings to end the fight. Taylor fought an outstanding fight. He faded badly at the end as Chavez rallied. He got dropped. But he got up. Like your suppose too. No excuse for that fight being stopped. It was a championship fight. And Taylor had earned the right to continue.
But it seems like everyone is assuming that Steele knew there was 2 seconds left. What Steele knew was what he said "I had a hurt fighter in front of me and to me he'd had enough"
Now whether there was 2 seconds left is when it happened but I don't think that Steele had it in his mind there was 2 seconds left.
If there were 30 seconds left then I think Chavez WOULD have battered him.
But everyone seems to be stating it as if Steele knew there was 2 seconds left. And he didn't. So he stopped the fight.
That is understandable to me.
I would only knock Steele if he "knew" there were 2 seconds left and stopped it, but he didnt so why knock him for it?
know what I'm saying?
Sorry dear, but that's bullshit. After dominating most of the fight, everybody was wondering if Taylor was going to hang on. Every body was paying attention to the fight and wondering at the round time. Steele was the referee, he was one of them. After all them fights he had refereed before, he should of known that the round was close to ending. Steele said he did not know, that there was only 2 seconds left. What was he suppose to say? "I knew there was 2 seconds left, but I decided to stop it anyway." He would of really been crucified. Steele knew he fucked up by ignoring the red light in the corner that said there was less than 10 seconds in the round. He just decided to play the stupid role by saying he did not know the time left.
The fact that there were only 2 seconds left means absolutely nothing. The rules state, if a fighter does not respond to a referee during the count, it's a TKO. This rule does not disappear in the last 2 seconds of a fight. The fact that Chavez wouldn't have made it across the ring in time had it continued means nothing. If Steele had let a fighter continue who was non responsive, he would have been cheating for that fighter, it's that simple.
Exactly!
Re: tyson should of been dq in 2nd ruddock fight
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by Starr
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by Starr
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
Funny how I see posts that blame refs. for the loss of a boxer.
Steels fault Taylor lost to Chavez
Nady's fault Zab lost to Tszyu
Stop blaming refs. now I agree there have been bad refereeing BUT to say Steels the worst ever is IMO an exaggeration.
Naw man, it's no exaggeration. Steele is the worse ref today and the worse of the last 25 years.
If there were 30 seconds left in the Taylor fight would you have blamed Steele for stopping it?
If it was stopped the same way, yeah. If Steele would of let Taylor continue and Chavez continued to batter him, than, no I would not of knocked Steele. That's a 28 second difference. A lot of damage can be done in 28 seconds. But Steele didn't let Taylor continue. And there were only 2 seconds left. Which means Chavez gets at the most (if even that) one shot at Taylor before the bell rings to end the fight. Taylor fought an outstanding fight. He faded badly at the end as Chavez rallied. He got dropped. But he got up. Like your suppose too. No excuse for that fight being stopped. It was a championship fight. And Taylor had earned the right to continue.
But it seems like everyone is assuming that Steele knew there was 2 seconds left. What Steele knew was what he said "I had a hurt fighter in front of me and to me he'd had enough"
Now whether there was 2 seconds left is when it happened but I don't think that Steele had it in his mind there was 2 seconds left.
If there were 30 seconds left then I think Chavez WOULD have battered him.
But everyone seems to be stating it as if Steele knew there was 2 seconds left. And he didn't. So he stopped the fight.
That is understandable to me.
I would only knock Steele if he "knew" there were 2 seconds left and stopped it, but he didnt so why knock him for it?
know what I'm saying?
Sorry dear, but that's bullshit. After dominating most of the fight, everybody was wondering if Taylor was going to hang on. Every body was paying attention to the fight and wondering at the round time. Steele was the referee, he was one of them. After all them fights he had refereed before, he should of known that the round was close to ending. Steele said he did not know, that there was only 2 seconds left. What was he suppose to say? "I knew there was 2 seconds left, but I decided to stop it anyway." He would of really been crucified. Steele knew he fucked up by ignoring the red light in the corner that said there was less than 10 seconds in the round. He just decided to play the stupid role by saying he did not know the time left.
My man you need to wake up into reality....... Taylor was badly beaten that night broken bones in the face, pissin' blood, from the body punishment he took. Just stop and think for a second that JCC could have landed 1 more shot in those 2 seconds that were left and that the punch would have cost him his life.
Think about that what would you & a lot of people been saying? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
"The ref. (Steele) should have stoped he shouldnt have let Taylor continue even if there was only 2 sec. left, it's all Steeles fault"
As it is look at Taylor post JCC & pre JCC HUGE difference. Really think about what your saying, one more punch to Taylors head could have been devastating.
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I watched the 2 ruddock fights a couple of weeks ago have to say were both good fights...In the first fight ref Richard Steale stoped the fight when Ruddock seemed fine to continue...
WTF look at Ruddock a second b4 steele stopped the fight his head was every were he was hit with hard shots and flew across the ring he was out on his feet an yes he protested to the ref like most other fighters do if he was fine to go on why wasnt he defending himself like a boxer should. Steele is the best ref in the world and all that matters is that his desigion counts.
