The Greatest of All Time in each individual division

OK, well by that rational why is Hagler at 160? Taylor is bigger and a better boxer AND Ray Leonard "beat him" at 160.

Why is Aaron Pryor the best at 140? He beat Arguello and that's about it...why not Julio Cesar Chavez, Niccolino Locche or someone like that?

And why is Ali at the top of everyone's list? Riddick Bowe anyone??? And if you don't think a tip top Bowe couldn't beat Ali look at who beat Ali....Ken Norton, he was big and strong so was Bowe and Bowe was the far tougher and better boxer.

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I did this about a year ago, but I thought it would be interesting as it looks at different weights to the usual ones we always talk about

I haven't included every single division just the ones I consider to be the main ones.

See what you think and what your opinions are.


Flyweight - Jimmy Wilde

Bantamweight - Carlos Zarate

Featherweight - Wille Pepp

Superfeather - Alexis Arguello

Lightweight - Roberto Duran

Lightwelter - Aaron Pryor

Welterweight - Sugar Ray Robinson

Middleweight - Marvin Hagler

Light Heavyweight - Roy Jones

Cruiserweight - Evander Holyfiled

Heavyweight - Muhammad Ali

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not bad list at all big h cc

.....but Lyle to answer your previous question. Tommy Gibbons as never Light Heavyweight Champion of the World. Roy Jones dominated the division for the best part of 10 years


Hope this helps ;)

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OK, well by that rational why is Hagler at 160? Taylor is bigger and a better boxer AND Ray Leonard "beat him" at 160.

Why is Aaron Pryor the best at 140? He beat Arguello and that's about it...why not Julio Cesar Chavez, Niccolino Locche or someone like that?

And why is Ali at the top of everyone's list? Riddick Bowe anyone??? And if you don't think a tip top Bowe couldn't beat Ali look at who beat Ali....Ken Norton, he was big and strong so was Bowe and Bowe was the far tougher and better boxer.

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bowe isnt best hw ever though ;) and comment u made about pryor to be honest prime pryor beats about anyone the guy is a machine

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Originally Posted by BIG H

I did this about a year ago, but I thought it would be interesting as it looks at different weights to the usual ones we always talk about

I haven't included every single division just the ones I consider to be the main ones.

See what you think and what your opinions are.


Flyweight - Jimmy Wilde

Bantamweight - Carlos Zarate

Featherweight - Wille Pepp

Superfeather - Alexis Arguello

Lightweight - Roberto Duran

Lightwelter - Aaron Pryor

Welterweight - Sugar Ray Robinson

Middleweight - Marvin Hagler

Light Heavyweight - Roy Jones

Cruiserweight - Evander Holyfiled

Heavyweight - Muhammad Ali

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not bad list at all big h cc

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Cheers m8, yours too, although I always say SRR may have been 5 times MW champion, but you have to lose it to win it again - Monzon & Hagler didn't lose it.

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Why are people considering RJJ a SMW and not a LHW - look at his defences and number of fights in each division. I was going to have Archie Moore at LHW, but I thought Jones nicked it on a.) more title fights & b.) I think he would've won a Head 2 Head.

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Jones wasn't half the fighter at LHW he was at SMW. He even retired from boxing in '96, but has ended up hanging around for 10 years because HBO let him choose his opponents - it was easy beating taxi drivers and firemen twice a year on boring decisions.

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A greatest list has have something to do with achievement. He was only at Super Middle for 2 years and about 5 or 6 World Title fights, He was a Light Heavy for the best part of a decade with close to 20 world Title fights
what division do you think defines RJJ???

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Dude, Jones was insane at 168. Watch the Harris and Malinga fights, and the finishing combo's on Pazienza and Thornton.

Jones' only great fight was against Toney. Take the Toney fight away and there's no way Jones is a HOF.

and reason why ali is at top of the list is because the guy beat everyone ken norton  jimmy young  earnie shavers ken norton joe fraizer george foreman jerry quarry jimmy ellis sonny liston hope this helps  ;) thanks for sc whoever done it ;)

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OK, well by that rational why is Hagler at 160? Taylor is bigger and a better boxer AND Ray Leonard "beat him" at 160.

Why is Aaron Pryor the best at 140? He beat Arguello and that's about it...why not Julio Cesar Chavez, Niccolino Locche or someone like that?

And why is Ali at the top of everyone's list? Riddick Bowe anyone??? And if you don't think a tip top Bowe couldn't beat Ali look at who beat Ali....Ken Norton, he was big and strong so was Bowe and Bowe was the far tougher and better boxer.

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totally different styles norton had crab defence and it confused ali

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.....but Lyle to answer your previous question. Tommy Gibbons as never Light Heavyweight Champion of the World. Roy Jones dominated the division for the best part of 10 years


Hope this helps ;)

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And so what about Charles, Moore, Foster, Spinks, etc????

Thanks for the help ;)

Ali beat those guys but it doesn't say anything about face to face match ups with Bowe, Lewis, Vitali (oh fuck yeah I said VITALI!)...Frazier - puncher and not a boxer, Foreman - huge puncher but not a smart fighter, Shavers - big puncher, tiny guy, questionable chin and stamina, QUARRY...HA, Young, Ellis, and Terrell were good boxers but couldn't punch, Liston was a great win, no doubt. Norton wasn't even really a boxer for all that long

HOWEVER

Bowe had all the power of a Sonny Liston, the chin and determination of Joe Frazier and he could box better than Ken Norton who was a weight lifter before he started boxing, and he was as big as George Foreman...so any way you slice it it's one tough fight for Ali

Lewis was BIGGER than anyone Ali ever fought, he had hellacious power, and he used his size as well if not better than Ali.

Vitali yes he was injury prone, yeah he got cut ONE TIME FROM A FREAK PUNCH (yes the thumb in the eye started that mess his face ended up in, no fault to Lewis it was an accident)...Vitali has KO'd all but 1 person he's ever beaten, he only lost when he was hurt, his style is extremely awkward, and he's got one hell of a chin.

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totally different styles norton had crab defence and it confused ali

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Foreman had a cross defense too

im not doubting bowe wasnt good fighter infact he is one of my favourte in hw division but he only had couple good wins of hes record so he isnt nowhere near alltime great but if ur on about skills bowe is up there with best of them

Yes I agree he only had a couple of good wins but does Bowe at HIS best beat Ali at HIS best?

i dont know mate tough match up i wouldnt like to say

Flyweight - Jimmy Wilde

Bantamweight - Carlos Zarate

Super Bantam - Wilfredo Gomez

Featherweight - Wille Pepp

Superfeather - Marco Antonio Barrera

Lightweight - Roberto Duran

Lightwelter - Julio Cesar Chavez

Welterweight - Sugar Ray Robinson

Middleweight - Marvin Hagler

Super Middleweight - Joe Calzaghe

Light Heavyweight - Archie Moore

Cruiserweight - Evander Holyfiled

Heavyweight - Muhammad Ali

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Flyweight - Jimmy Wilde

Bantamweight - Carlos Zarate

Super Bantam - Wilfredo Gomez

Featherweight - Wille Pepp

Superfeather - Marco Antonio Barrera

Lightweight - Roberto Duran

Lightwelter - Julio Cesar Chavez

Welterweight - Sugar Ray Robinson

Middleweight - Marvin Hagler

Super Middleweight - Joe Calzaghe

Light Heavyweight - Archie Moore

Cruiserweight - Evander Holyfiled

Heavyweight - Muhammad Ali

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i wanted to do joe calzaghe but i wana wait till he gets few more good wins then hes going on my list ;)