JOE C now on HBO!

The problem with people & Calzaghe (especially my fellow Americans) is that everyone recognizes the fact that Calzaghe fought what came to him & didn't globe trott as a detraction...yet it's alright for Floyd, Roy, & the Nard to stay stateside & fight questionable fighters.

Fair is fair people.

Recognize talent, ability, & the circumstances.

If you want to say that kind of shit about Calzaghe's opponents...you need to be grown up's & also look at some of our American champions resumes.

They aint sparklin with every bout either & a lot of the fighters that Joe beat easily were decent fighters when he beat them...just like our American champions.

40 wins is 40 wins...just like with Jones, Mayweather, & Hopkins.

Fair is fair. Call it like it is.

well said cc exactly the way i see it

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I like Joe and he has earned my respect and admiration after beating my Boy Jeff "Left Hook" Lacy although his resume is lackluster he showed he can rise to the occasion, but Lacy's team had to relentlessly pursue Calzaghe's team to make that super bout, I wish someone with that much potential should take the cream of the crop fights at this stage, I'll say it again I dont know if it is Joe his management team or even Warren that is content with having a majority of C+ fighters on his championship resume.....

My gripe as of late is that Floyd Mayweather haters and critics are quick to point out and say Floyd is a record padder and dosen't deserve his accolades and his undefeated status, but SOME of the very same people will laud and decorate Joe Calzaghe and his championship and undefeated status hell his overall legacy(which he certainly deserves)........

Let the truth be told people at 28yrs old Floyd Mayweather has already FOUGHT TOUGHER COMPETITION and has a more impressive resume pound for pound than a 34 yr old Calzaghe.. it's really a sobering thought and a reality check that should speak volumes of were PBF stands and his impending place in Boxing history..

Dont get me wrong I am a converted JC fan and am excited about his style and what he represent to the sport I just think at this stage he should be looking for a big fight or move up to 175 to challenge himself I think signing on with HBO is a good step in making the above referenced things happen. ;)

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*Please have the Balls to Idenify your SAD CLICKS*

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have cc jt rock

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The problem with people & Calzaghe (especially my fellow Americans) is that everyone recognizes the fact that Calzaghe fought what came to him & didn't globe trott as a detraction...yet it's alright for Floyd, Roy, & the Nard to stay stateside & fight questionable fighters.

Fair is fair people.

Recognize talent, ability, & the circumstances.

If you want to say that kind of S*** about Calzaghe's opponents...you need to be grown up's & also look at some of our American champions resumes.

They aint sparklin with every bout either & a lot of the fighters that Joe beat easily were decent fighters when he beat them...just like our American champions.

40 wins is 40 wins...just like with Jones, Mayweather, & Hopkins.

Fair is fair. Call it like it is.

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Wacks I agree and am not criticizing JC for not Globetrodding my point is the same principle applies to any fighter really

D,C,B,A class fighters exist whether you fight in England, US, Germany, Russia, Egypt or The Friggin sarangetty Plains...LOL but seriously I dont know if you were admonishing me about how to percieve JC's resume...I am with you, Be fair Don't decorate one fighter and trash another, without looking past popularity and appeal to see what a fighter has truly accompolished....My 1st Boss in the car business used to say to me" The facts are the Facts Jack, the numbers don't lie"

My assesment of Calzaghe and Mayweather was fair and accurate and validates your points..My Wacky intoxicated friend ;)

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I like Joe and he has earned my respect and admiration after beating my Boy Jeff "Left Hook" Lacy although his resume is lackluster he showed he can rise to the occasion, but Lacy's team had to relentlessly pursue Calzaghe's team to make that super bout, I wish someone with that much potential should take the cream of the crop fights at this stage, I'll say it again I dont know if it is Joe his management team or even Warren that is content with having a majority of C+ fighters on his championship resume.....

My gripe as of late is that Floyd Mayweather haters and critics are quick to point out and say Floyd is a record padder and dosen't deserve his accolades and his undefeated status, but SOME of the very same people will laud and decorate Joe Calzaghe and his championship and undefeated status hell his overall legacy(which he certainly deserves)........

Let the truth be told people at 28yrs old Floyd Mayweather has already FOUGHT TOUGHER COMPETITION and has a more impressive resume pound for pound than a 34 yr old Calzaghe.. it's really a sobering thought and a reality check that should speak volumes of were PBF stands and his impending place in Boxing history..

Dont get me wrong I am a converted JC fan and am excited about his style and what he represent to the sport I just think at this stage he should be looking for a big fight or move up to 175 to challenge himself I think signing on with HBO is a good step in making the above referenced things happen. ;)

PS
*Please have the Balls to Idenify your SAD CLICKS*

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have cc jt rock

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Thanks Bud...CC back I felt that it was a true assesment that merited posting

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The problem with people & Calzaghe (especially my fellow Americans) is that everyone recognizes the fact that Calzaghe fought what came to him & didn't globe trott as a detraction...yet it's alright for Floyd, Roy, & the Nard to stay stateside & fight questionable fighters.

Fair is fair people.

Recognize talent, ability, & the circumstances.

If you want to say that kind of shit about Calzaghe's opponents...you need to be grown up's & also look at some of our American champions resumes.

They aint sparklin with every bout either & a lot of the fighters that Joe beat easily were decent fighters when he beat them...just like our American champions.

40 wins is 40 wins...just like with Jones, Mayweather, & Hopkins.

Fair is fair. Call it like it is.

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Please don't compare Calzaghe with Mayweather, or god forbid Roy Jones and Bernard Hopkins. Just...don't. It's like comparing Sam Peter to Mike Tyson or Wladimir Klitschko to Muhammad Ali.

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The problem with people & Calzaghe (especially my fellow Americans) is that everyone recognizes the fact that Calzaghe fought what came to him & didn't globe trott as a detraction...yet it's alright for Floyd, Roy, & the Nard to stay stateside & fight questionable fighters.

Fair is fair people.

Recognize talent, ability, & the circumstances.

If you want to say that kind of S*** about Calzaghe's opponents...you need to be grown up's & also look at some of our American champions resumes.

They aint sparklin with every bout either & a lot of the fighters that Joe beat easily were decent fighters when he beat them...just like our American champions.

40 wins is 40 wins...just like with Jones, Mayweather, & Hopkins.

Fair is fair. Call it like it is.

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Please don't compare Calzaghe with Mayweather, or god forbid Roy Jones and Bernard Hopkins. Just...don't. It's like comparing Sam Peter to Mike Tyson or Wladimir Klitschko to Muhammad Ali.

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But Hulk, no matter how you like it, Calzaghe is now regarded as being amongst that elite company that you so rigorously denies he has a place amongst. He is now there, and long over due IMO. I would have liked to have seen more big name fights but Jones Jr even Bhop (2 of my favourite fighters) have beaten highly regarded as well as more mediocre mandatories. Hasnt PBF had his fair of coasting up in weight over the last few years. Even the better opponents have had issues beforehand against opponents that got there first...

Calzaghe deserves his name in the pound for pound list and lets see him have this easy fight and then see him finish out his career in a way that might just make ya think a little bit differently, Hulk. It might just happen yet..

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The problem with people & Calzaghe (especially my fellow Americans) is that everyone recognizes the fact that Calzaghe fought what came to him & didn't globe trott as a detraction...yet it's alright for Floyd, Roy, & the Nard to stay stateside & fight questionable fighters.

Fair is fair people.

Recognize talent, ability, & the circumstances.

If you want to say that kind of S*** about Calzaghe's opponents...you need to be grown up's & also look at some of our American champions resumes.

They aint sparklin with every bout either & a lot of the fighters that Joe beat easily were decent fighters when he beat them...just like our American champions.

40 wins is 40 wins...just like with Jones, Mayweather, & Hopkins.

Fair is fair. Call it like it is.

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Please don't compare Calzaghe with Mayweather, or god forbid Roy Jones and Bernard Hopkins. Just...don't. It's like comparing Sam Peter to Mike Tyson or Wladimir Klitschko to Muhammad Ali.

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But Hulk, no matter how you like it, Calzaghe is now regarded as being amongst that elite company that you so rigorously denies he has a place amongst. He is now there, and long over due IMO. I would have liked to have seen more big name fights but Jones Jr even Bhop (2 of my favourite fighters) have beaten highly regarded as well as more mediocre mandatories. Hasnt PBF had his fair of coasting up in weight over the last few years. Even the better opponents have had issues beforehand against opponents that got there first...

Calzaghe deserves his name in the pound for pound list and lets see him have this easy fight and then see him finish out his career in a way that might just make ya think a little bit differently, Hulk. It might just happen yet..

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It might, but he'll have to have about 3-5 SUPERFIGHTS, and win them very decisevely, before he is on an equal level with Bernard, let alone Roy Jones. Beating Jeff Lacy, doesn't equal Dominating Tito, Oscar, Tarver. Or dominating Toney, Ruiz, Griffin, Paz, Reggie Johnson, Virgil Hill, etc.

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The problem with people & Calzaghe (especially my fellow Americans) is that everyone recognizes the fact that Calzaghe fought what came to him & didn't globe trott as a detraction...yet it's alright for Floyd, Roy, & the Nard to stay stateside & fight questionable fighters.

Fair is fair people.

Recognize talent, ability, & the circumstances.

If you want to say that kind of S*** about Calzaghe's opponents...you need to be grown up's & also look at some of our American champions resumes.

They aint sparklin with every bout either & a lot of the fighters that Joe beat easily were decent fighters when he beat them...just like our American champions.

40 wins is 40 wins...just like with Jones, Mayweather, & Hopkins.

Fair is fair. Call it like it is.

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Please don't compare Calzaghe with Mayweather, or god forbid Roy Jones and Bernard Hopkins. Just...don't. It's like comparing Sam Peter to Mike Tyson or Wladimir Klitschko to Muhammad Ali.

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But Hulk, no matter how you like it, Calzaghe is now regarded as being amongst that elite company that you so rigorously denies he has a place amongst. He is now there, and long over due IMO. I would have liked to have seen more big name fights but Jones Jr even Bhop (2 of my favourite fighters) have beaten highly regarded as well as more mediocre mandatories. Hasnt PBF had his fair of coasting up in weight over the last few years. Even the better opponents have had issues beforehand against opponents that got there first...

Calzaghe deserves his name in the pound for pound list and lets see him have this easy fight and then see him finish out his career in a way that might just make ya think a little bit differently, Hulk. It might just happen yet..

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It might, but he'll have to have about 3-5 SUPERFIGHTS, and win them very decisevely, before he is on an equal level with Bernard, let alone Roy Jones. Beating Jeff Lacy, doesn't equal Dominating Tito, Oscar, Tarver. Or dominating Toney, Ruiz, Griffin, Paz, Reggie Johnson, Virgil Hill, etc.

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yes hulk i recently for first time watched couple jones fights and i have to say i was very impressed

I am glad Joe is on HBO so I can see him fight a full fight...maybe he is as good as they say or maybe he's only as good as his competition

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The problem with people & Calzaghe (especially my fellow Americans) is that everyone recognizes the fact that Calzaghe fought what came to him & didn't globe trott as a detraction...yet it's alright for Floyd, Roy, & the Nard to stay stateside & fight questionable fighters.

Fair is fair people.

Recognize talent, ability, & the circumstances.

If you want to say that kind of S*** about Calzaghe's opponents...you need to be grown up's & also look at some of our American champions resumes.

They aint sparklin with every bout either & a lot of the fighters that Joe beat easily were decent fighters when he beat them...just like our American champions.

40 wins is 40 wins...just like with Jones, Mayweather, & Hopkins.

Fair is fair. Call it like it is.

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Wacks I agree and am not criticizing JC for not Globetrodding my point is the same principle applies to any fighter really

D,C,B,A class fighters exist whether you fight in England, US, Germany, Russia, Egypt or The Friggin sarangetty Plains...LOL but seriously I dont know if you were admonishing me about how to percieve JC's resume...I am with you, Be fair Don't decorate one fighter and trash another, without looking past popularity and appeal to see what a fighter has truly accompolished....My 1st Boss in the car business used to say to me" The facts are the Facts Jack, the numbers don't lie"

My assesment of Calzaghe and Mayweather was fair and accurate and validates your points..My Wacky intoxicated friend ;)

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I agree with alot of points made here, and yours too JT Rock 8)

It would be interesting to know why he has now gone with HBO, when Warren seemed to have a understanding with Showtime.

Talk is of Joe moving up to lightheavy to challenge Clinton Woods, dont know how concerete this is though. He was ringside at the Woods Johnson fight and he was asked after if he fancied it, to which he answered yes. Only problem Joe may have is if HBO would want a Calzaghe Woods fight ???

Warren is one of the best at milking his fighters. I would suggest it has more to do with Warrens matchmaking than Joe not being ambitious enough to conquer the US.

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The problem with people & Calzaghe (especially my fellow Americans) is that everyone recognizes the fact that Calzaghe fought what came to him & didn't globe trott as a detraction...yet it's alright for Floyd, Roy, & the Nard to stay stateside & fight questionable fighters.

Fair is fair people.

Recognize talent, ability, & the circumstances.

If you want to say that kind of S*** about Calzaghe's opponents...you need to be grown up's & also look at some of our American champions resumes.

They aint sparklin with every bout either & a lot of the fighters that Joe beat easily were decent fighters when he beat them...just like our American champions.

40 wins is 40 wins...just like with Jones, Mayweather, & Hopkins.

Fair is fair. Call it like it is.

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Please don't compare Calzaghe with Mayweather, or god forbid Roy Jones and Bernard Hopkins. Just...don't. It's like comparing Sam Peter to Mike Tyson or Wladimir Klitschko to Muhammad Ali.

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Please stop always trying to come up with some goofy shit like that after anything that I say.

I never said that he was better...I made a comparison to where he fights & how.

The funny thing is...you just stated that comparing Calzaghe with Jones or Hopkins is like comparing Peter to Tyson or Wlad to Ali...that indeed shows that when HULK get mad...HULK get stupid.

Again...the comparison was that Calzaghe fights on his home turf just like our boys do...nothing wrong with that.

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

The problem with people & Calzaghe (especially my fellow Americans) is that everyone recognizes the fact that Calzaghe fought what came to him & didn't globe trott as a detraction...yet it's alright for Floyd, Roy, & the Nard to stay stateside & fight questionable fighters.

Fair is fair people.

Recognize talent, ability, & the circumstances.

If you want to say that kind of S*** about Calzaghe's opponents...you need to be grown up's & also look at some of our American champions resumes.

They aint sparklin with every bout either & a lot of the fighters that Joe beat easily were decent fighters when he beat them...just like our American champions.

40 wins is 40 wins...just like with Jones, Mayweather, & Hopkins.

Fair is fair. Call it like it is.

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Wacks I agree and am not criticizing JC for not Globetrodding my point is the same principle applies to any fighter really

D,C,B,A class fighters exist whether you fight in England, US, Germany, Russia, Egypt or The Friggin sarangetty Plains...LOL but seriously I dont know if you were admonishing me about how to percieve JC's resume...I am with you, Be fair Don't decorate one fighter and trash another, without looking past popularity and appeal to see what a fighter has truly accompolished....My 1st Boss in the car business used to say to me" The facts are the Facts Jack, the numbers don't lie"

My assesment of Calzaghe and Mayweather was fair and accurate and validates your points..My Wacky intoxicated friend ;)

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Nah babe...that wasn't directed at you or anything of the sort...just making a broad statement about the fact that what's good for the goose should be good for the gander...or however that ole' statement goes.

I think it's a shame though that Calzaghe destroys Lacy & many now low rate Lacy & discredit Joe...it's just weak.

Again...broad statement...totally not directed at you.

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The problem with people & Calzaghe (especially my fellow Americans) is that everyone recognizes the fact that Calzaghe fought what came to him & didn't globe trott as a detraction...yet it's alright for Floyd, Roy, & the Nard to stay stateside & fight questionable fighters.

Fair is fair people.

Recognize talent, ability, & the circumstances.

If you want to say that kind of S*** about Calzaghe's opponents...you need to be grown up's & also look at some of our American champions resumes.

They aint sparklin with every bout either & a lot of the fighters that Joe beat easily were decent fighters when he beat them...just like our American champions.

40 wins is 40 wins...just like with Jones, Mayweather, & Hopkins.

Fair is fair. Call it like it is.

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Wacks I agree and am not criticizing JC for not Globetrodding my point is the same principle applies to any fighter really

D,C,B,A class fighters exist whether you fight in England, US, Germany, Russia, Egypt or The Friggin sarangetty Plains...LOL but seriously I dont know if you were admonishing me about how to percieve JC's resume...I am with you, Be fair Don't decorate one fighter and trash another, without looking past popularity and appeal to see what a fighter has truly accompolished....My 1st Boss in the car business used to say to me" The facts are the Facts Jack, the numbers don't lie"

My assesment of Calzaghe and Mayweather was fair and accurate and validates your points..My Wacky intoxicated friend ;)

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Nah babe...that wasn't directed at you or anything of the sort...just making a broad statement about the fact that what's good for the goose should be good for the gander...or however that ole' statement goes.

I think it's a shame though that Calzaghe destroys Lacy & many now low rate Lacy & discredit Joe...it's just weak.

Again...broad statement...totally not directed at you.

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Thanks Wacks!! and a CC back at you...

Speaking of Lacy, I hope he hasn't lost it and slipping into obscurity.. :-\ I am probably the biggest Lacy supporter and promoter around these partsif he dosen't comeback and soon I'm gonna feel like I did when I was a kid and found out that Santa Claus wasn't real.... Come back Jeff!!!!!!! Time to get back on the Horse my friend

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The problem with people & Calzaghe (especially my fellow Americans) is that everyone recognizes the fact that Calzaghe fought what came to him & didn't globe trott as a detraction...yet it's alright for Floyd, Roy, & the Nard to stay stateside & fight questionable fighters.

Fair is fair people.

Recognize talent, ability, & the circumstances.

If you want to say that kind of S*** about Calzaghe's opponents...you need to be grown up's & also look at some of our American champions resumes.

They aint sparklin with every bout either & a lot of the fighters that Joe beat easily were decent fighters when he beat them...just like our American champions.

40 wins is 40 wins...just like with Jones, Mayweather, & Hopkins.

Fair is fair. Call it like it is.

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Please don't compare Calzaghe with Mayweather, or god forbid Roy Jones and Bernard Hopkins. Just...don't. It's like comparing Sam Peter to Mike Tyson or Wladimir Klitschko to Muhammad Ali.

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Please stop always trying to come up with some goofy shit like that after anything that I say.

I never said that he was better...I made a comparison to where he fights & how.

The funny thing is...you just stated that comparing Calzaghe with Jones or Hopkins is like comparing Peter to Tyson or Wlad to Ali...that indeed shows that when HULK get mad...HULK get stupid.

Again...the comparison was that Calzaghe fights on his home turf just like our boys do...nothing wrong with that.

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No when Hulk gets mad, he corrects your stupid remarks. Calzaghe makes fighters from overseas come to him, and fights consistently sub par competition. B-hop and Jones fought fellow American top guys by and large, and defeated them impressively. There is a differnce.