Re: leonard vs hopkins at 160 who wins?
Ray Leonard uses his fast hands and boxes to a decision.
Re: leonard vs hopkins at 160 who wins?
hopkins would expose leonard--then execte and win by late ko
Re: leonard vs hopkins at 160 who wins?
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hopkins would expose leonard--then execte and win by late ko
Expose??? I don't think that's the word to use....You don't expose a Gold Medalist and six time world champion,,,Who practically was in every major fight against major opponents through out the 80's
Re: leonard vs hopkins at 160 who wins?
Leonard any day of the week an twice on sundays he wins every time roy jones beat bernard hopkins an leonard would of beatin him at any weight. Peace out.
Re: leonard vs hopkins at 160 who wins?
b-hop i feel would win by ud
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
Expose??? I don't think that's the word to use....You don't expose a Gold Medalist and six time world champion,,,Who practically was in every major fight against major opponents through out the 80's
:appl:
I am not a Leonard fan, but the man had everything.
He could outbox the best boxers around, he had every punch in the book, charisma, speed and power. He moved so gracefully in the ring it was unbelievable.
And underneath all the pretty boy smiles, he was a ferocious competitor with guts and heart in abundance.
He could choose how he wanted to beat Bernard, I'm afraid. he wins a purists boxing match, or he wins a slugfest. If Benitez couldn't outbox him , B-Hop wont. If Hearns couldn't stop him, B-Hop wont. If Duran couldn't frighten him, B-Hop wont.
Re: leonard vs hopkins at 160 who wins?
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Originally Posted by X
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
Expose??? I don't think that's the word to use....You don't expose a Gold Medalist and six time world champion,,,Who practically was in every major fight against major opponents through out the 80's
:appl:
I am not a Leonard fan, but the man had everything.
He could outbox the best boxers around, he had every punch in the book, charisma, speed and power. He moved so gracefully in the ring it was unbelievable.
And underneath all the pretty boy smiles, he was a ferocious competitor with guts and heart in abundance.
He could choose how he wanted to beat Bernard, I'm afraid. he wins a purists boxing match, or he wins a slugfest. If Benitez couldn't outbox him , B-Hop wont. If Hearns couldn't stop him, B-Hop wont. If Duran couldn't frighten him, B-Hop wont.
:coolclick: You just covered EVERTHING, Ray was a GREAT GREAT fighter, not to say B-Hop wasnt i just see Ray being too much in terms of how active he was.
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Originally Posted by X
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
Expose??? I don't think that's the word to use....You don't expose a Gold Medalist and six time world champion,,,Who practically was in every major fight against major opponents through out the 80's
:appl:
I am not a Leonard fan, but the man had everything.
He could outbox the best boxers around, he had every punch in the book, charisma, speed and power. He moved so gracefully in the ring it was unbelievable.
And underneath all the pretty boy smiles, he was a ferocious competitor with guts and heart in abundance.
He could choose how he wanted to beat Bernard, I'm afraid. he wins a purists boxing match, or he wins a slugfest. If Benitez couldn't outbox him , B-Hop wont. If Hearns couldn't stop him, B-Hop wont. If Duran couldn't frighten him, B-Hop wont.
Wilfred Benitez has no part of this argument, since Leonard at 160 was not the same fighter he was at 140, Benitez at 160 cannot be compared to Hopkins at 160. P4P Leonard would beat Hopkins I have no doubt, but realistically if they met up at 160, where Bernard lived and Ray just visited, Hopkins would win.
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Leanard only boxed as a middleweight once, not having boxed for 4years, and won a tight one against some mug Marvin Hagler. I did £100 that nite, but witnessed something special a pretty boy with bollocks and the best Oral perception I have witnessed
Re: leonard vs hopkins at 160 who wins?
A prime SRL. flurries & speed vs slow methodical breakdowns. wins the crowd over thus the judges
Re: leonard vs hopkins at 160 who wins?
I never liked Sugar so you can be sure I'm not biased here. Those on-ring antics of his always irritated me. Everytime he started taunting his opponent, I'd be shouting, "c'mon smack him, smack him hard and teach him some lesson." But...... I have to admit he's the best all-time p4p, IMO. He had everything, almost, except maybe the heart - he was sometimes a bit intimidated and tentative like when he fought Duran for the first time. But when he was confident, he'd let it all out and most certainly, it ended in a KO. He had the best punch, or one of the best at least. Believe me, I know my punch. If you want to see the best of his punches, see him brutalize Le Donde (did I get it right?), he unloaded everything on the poor fellow.
So I think if he can beat Hagler after a long absence, I think he can beat Hopkins in his prime. Ok, ok, there some who say Hagler beat him, but let me tell you something. I downloaded two version of that fight with Japanese commentators and I'm sure some of you got hold of them too as they're lots of them circulating on the net. The Japanese commentators, including an ex-champion, had Leonard clearly winning that fight. So why do I think he can beat Hopkins? It's simply because I think Hagler is a better boxer than Hopkins. But what if Hopkins 'hit and hold?' Leonard is no Tarver so I think he will be able to get around it with his skills.
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Originally Posted by pacfan
I never liked Sugar so you can be sure I'm not biased here. Those on-ring antics of his always irritated me. Everytime he started taunting his opponent, I'd be shouting, "c'mon smack him, smack him hard and teach him some lesson." But...... I have to admit he's the best all-time p4p, IMO. He had everything, almost, except maybe the heart - he was sometimes a bit intimidated and tentative like when he fought Duran for the first time. But when he was confident, he'd let it all out and most certainly, it ended in a KO. He had the best punch, or one of the best at least. Believe me, I know my punch. If you want to see the best of his punches, see him brutalize Le Donde (did I get it right?), he unloaded everything on the poor fellow.
So I think if he can beat Hagler after a long absence, I think he can beat Hopkins in his prime. Ok, ok, there some who say Hagler beat him, but let me tell you something. I downloaded two version of that fight with Japanese commentators and I'm sure some of you got hold of them too as they're lots of them circulating on the net. The Japanese commentators, including an ex-champion, had Leonard clearly winning that fight. So why do I think he can beat Hopkins? It's simply because I think Hagler is a better boxer than Hopkins. But what if Hopkins 'hit and hold?' Leonard is no Tarver so I think he will be able to get around it with his skills.
Couple of things
1. Are you saying you think SRL is NO.1 ALL TIME P4P? I have him top 3 btw.
2.I think SRL had great heart.....Name me another fighter that came back after a four year lay off after just recovering from eyesight issues to fight one of the most feared middleweights of all time? He fought the best and ducked nobody IMO, yes including The Hawk.
Re: leonard vs hopkins at 160 who wins?
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Originally Posted by X
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
Expose??? I don't think that's the word to use....You don't expose a Gold Medalist and six time world champion,,,Who practically was in every major fight against major opponents through out the 80's
:appl:
I am not a Leonard fan, but the man had everything.
He could outbox the best boxers around, he had every punch in the book, charisma, speed and power. He moved so gracefully in the ring it was unbelievable.
And underneath all the pretty boy smiles, he was a ferocious competitor with guts and heart in abundance.
He could choose how he wanted to beat Bernard, I'm afraid. he wins a purists boxing match, or he wins a slugfest. If Benitez couldn't outbox him , B-Hop wont. If Hearns couldn't stop him, B-Hop wont. If Duran couldn't frighten him, B-Hop wont.
:coolclick:
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Originally Posted by pacfan
I never liked Sugar so you can be sure I'm not biased here. Those on-ring antics of his always irritated me. Everytime he started taunting his opponent, I'd be shouting, "c'mon smack him, smack him hard and teach him some lesson." But...... I have to admit he's the best all-time p4p, IMO. He had everything, almost, except maybe the heart - he was sometimes a bit intimidated and tentative like when he fought Duran for the first time. But when he was confident, he'd let it all out and most certainly, it ended in a KO. He had the best punch, or one of the best at least. Believe me, I know my punch. If you want to see the best of his punches, see him brutalize Le Donde (did I get it right?), he unloaded everything on the poor fellow.
So I think if he can beat Hagler after a long absence, I think he can beat Hopkins in his prime. Ok, ok, there some who say Hagler beat him, but let me tell you something. I downloaded two version of that fight with Japanese commentators and I'm sure some of you got hold of them too as they're lots of them circulating on the net. The Japanese commentators, including an ex-champion, had Leonard clearly winning that fight. So why do I think he can beat Hopkins? It's simply because I think Hagler is a better boxer than Hopkins. But what if Hopkins 'hit and hold?' Leonard is no Tarver so I think he will be able to get around it with his skills.
Couple of things
1. Are you saying you think SRL is NO.1 ALL TIME P4P? I have him top 3 btw.
2.I think SRL had great heart.....Name me another fighter that came back after a four year lay off after just recovering from eyesight issues to fight one of the most feared middleweights of all time? He fought the best and ducked nobody IMO, yes including The Hawk.
About the heart, maybe not exactly but I did notice him sometimes somewhat reluctant to take risk and trade shots, again, the best example being the Duran I fight. There was so much hype that time about Duran being a legend or having a "fist of stone" or something like that, so Leonard seemed to have got overcautious there. But once he found out that Duran wasn't as strong as he imagined him to be, he let 'em all out in the second fight and remember what happened, the day of infamy when the whole world learned two Spanish words - no mas. Those shots really hurt Duran and I really think it's got nothing to do with stomach upset (did he say that?). I really believe if Sugar Ray would just simply unleash his punches without holding anything back, he would've KO'd anyone during his prime... Check out the thread 'WHO'S the GREAAAATEST???' about 2 pages back, that about sums up all I've said regarding Sugar's heart.
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Originally Posted by pacfan
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Originally Posted by cockey cockney
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Originally Posted by pacfan
I never liked Sugar so you can be sure I'm not biased here. Those on-ring antics of his always irritated me. Everytime he started taunting his opponent, I'd be shouting, "c'mon smack him, smack him hard and teach him some lesson." But...... I have to admit he's the best all-time p4p, IMO. He had everything, almost, except maybe the heart - he was sometimes a bit intimidated and tentative like when he fought Duran for the first time. But when he was confident, he'd let it all out and most certainly, it ended in a KO. He had the best punch, or one of the best at least. Believe me, I know my punch. If you want to see the best of his punches, see him brutalize Le Donde (did I get it right?), he unloaded everything on the poor fellow.
So I think if he can beat Hagler after a long absence, I think he can beat Hopkins in his prime. Ok, ok, there some who say Hagler beat him, but let me tell you something. I downloaded two version of that fight with Japanese commentators and I'm sure some of you got hold of them too as they're lots of them circulating on the net. The Japanese commentators, including an ex-champion, had Leonard clearly winning that fight. So why do I think he can beat Hopkins? It's simply because I think Hagler is a better boxer than Hopkins. But what if Hopkins 'hit and hold?' Leonard is no Tarver so I think he will be able to get around it with his skills.
Couple of things
1. Are you saying you think SRL is NO.1 ALL TIME P4P? I have him top 3 btw.
2.I think SRL had great heart.....Name me another fighter that came back after a four year lay off after just recovering from eyesight issues to fight one of the most feared middleweights of all time? He fought the best and ducked nobody IMO, yes including The Hawk.
About the heart, maybe not exactly but I did notice him sometimes somewhat reluctant to take risk and trade shots, again, the best example being the Duran I fight. There was so much hype that time about Duran being a legend or having a "fist of stone" or something like that, so Leonard seemed to have got overcautious there. But once he found out that Duran wasn't as strong as he imagined him to be, he let 'em all out in the second fight and remember what happened, the day of infamy when the whole world learned two Spanish words - no mas. Those shots really hurt Duran and I really think it's got nothing to do with stomach upset (did he say that?). I really believe if Sugar Ray would just simply unleash his punches without holding anything back, he would've KO'd anyone during his prime... Check out the thread 'WHO'S the GREAAAATEST???' about 2 pages back, that about sums up all I've said regarding Sugar's heart.
Yeah mate, after the fight he said Ray wasnt 'all that impressive or good at all' and that he quit due to stomach cramps.
