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An very talented fighter. No questioning his work ethic and skill. But if he keeps talking about wanting to be considered one of the "greatest"...he needs to consistently step up and fight great fighters. Beating guys like Gatti, and even Judah....aint gonna cut it. Being the best means fighting and beating the best. I don't doubt he could do it....but actions speak louder than words.
That's probably the first and only smart statement you have posted since being a member, we know PBF can beat these guy's, but it would be fun to watch so fight them, kudo's for taking on the linear champ, will worry about everybody else later.Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubin
Mayweather has earned the right to be as cocky and arrogant has he wants. How he acts outside the ring shouldn't even matter. But I guess to some people, it does.
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Originally Posted by brazilianbomber
no kidding...............
i wonder how many of these people that are giving pbf crap about unifying the belts are the same ones who ripped him for not doing it in the past
The real sorce of dislike for him is his constant attempt to insult real boxing fans intelligence by claiming to be the best without fighting top competition. He always says that if its a fight the fans want, he'll take it. He said that when he asked people who Margarito was they didn't know so he shouldn't have to fight an unknown but I can assure you that if you ask people in PR who Henry Bruseles is, they won't know. That didn't stop him did it? The thing with these phonys is that you gotta pay close attention and you will catch them contradicting themselves repeatedly. Floyd p4p #1 in contradictions
Ali said the same thing......Time will tell........I think he might be right...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
At one time I was a fan of Floyd...His mouth got him in trouble...He said one thing I agree with..."If you don't think your the best out there then you shouldn't be in the game no matter what your record is"....I agree with this. He made comments about fighters of the past that were not called for. It is one thing to be confident another to be arrogant....IMO it was his comments about Robinson that hurt him...Fine say I will be as great as Robinson...Or even I feel I am as good as Him....Even I will surpass him...But Floyd said I am better than Ray Robinson ever was...He said it with not conviction but in mockery almost distain....as if the fans had nerve to even think he wasn't the greatest ever....Truth is there are a list of guys better than Floyd from the past....Robinson,,Ray Leonard,,,Ali,,Hank Armstrong just to name a few...Also you need an impressive string of top opponents not a few good ones and dominate performances against pretty good guys...He was having a hard time early with Judah...Augustus tested him to the limit...Castillo was robbed.....Floyd may by time he is done be the greatest but it is a capital MAYBE.....IMO right now Winkey is better P4P....He causes his own problems with the media....His comments on Robinson would be like if Carter said he was a better president than FDR....
:coolclick: Good post, good points, good question...easy answer though.Quote:
Originally Posted by brazilianbomber
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Floyd will never get rid of the hate. No matter what he does, no matter who he beats, people will downplay the victory & if IF Floyd were to lose...almost everyone on the face of the planet would rejoice as if they had just lost their virginity to the prom queen. ;D
I think its jealousy of people... He is so much more talented than anyone else in the sport right now people are just looking for him to fall... same with Roy Jones Jr., but the difference is that Mayweather doesn't coast through rounds... he brings the fight to the opponent, and is very exciting to watch... unfortunately he has two things working against him... His mouth saying he is the best ever(while he very well could be), and second he has too many good opponents right now for him to face them all, and I don't think he has been picking the opponents his fans want him to... alot more people loved him when he fought Corrales and Castillo, but I ask you this did Leonard fight Hearns, Duran, and Hagler all back to back? Hell not he fought chumps too at the top, and far worse ones than Gatti, Mitchell, COrley, judah.
As much as I hate to say it... You're right... I hated him cuz of what he did to gatti... He has skills... Wait, I'm sorry... As much as a hater of Floyd as I am, I think he is the best fighter since Jones... And yes, I am jealous my faves can't catch em... I'll admit but won't hate... I don't like his mouth but I guess you're alowed to have one when you beat everyone's ass you fight ;D ... I will never root for him, but I love to watch em fight... He's clean, fluid... Pretty much perfect. As great a fighter as he is... I hope Baldi takes his head off his shoulders :lickish:Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Very nicely said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Although, I think Sugar should have stayed out of the fighting game after the first Hearns fight.
Ali had a big mouth but he was very charismatic and we all knew he was only having fun with the whole thing. Ali would sell wolf tickets and the people baught it. It was new and different. PBF takes this way too serious when he talks. He get's angry. He should just chill out and let destiny take it's course. Ali was good at marketing himself. PBF just makes people mad. Hopefully he learns some humility before he is humiliated. Pride comes before the fall. Tell me how many fighters do we know that got out of the fight game while they were on top? I don't recall many if any maybe Rocky Marciano. (Some one told me he lost) I read he did not lose and went out on top. What ever. But who else got out while they were kings? Most of them got check-mate and PBF will be no different.
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Mayweather talks about other fighters, but that's because he is selling tickets leading up to the fight as opposed to being disrespectful. He has matured as a person (for example, no more late night fights at bars, etc). The main problem I have with Floyd is that he ducks fighters. For example, at 140, he did not fight the big boys (Hatton, Kosta, etc.) At 147, he hasn't fought the big boys (though Baldomir is a start). He calls himself pound for pound best, but he needs to fight the big boys. Say what you want about Margarito, but everyone ducks him and that's who Floyd should fight next (or first). I mean, Floyd gave up 8 million and fought Baldomir instead. I'm sure he's not getting that much to fight Baldomir. You know what that means. Floyd should have an easy victory over Baldomir. Though I hope not.
he said he believes he is the greatest fighter ever.
He is cocky
And some dont like cocky. Whats wrong with that?
respect his work eithic? absolutely.
Respect him Sure, hes got mad skills.
Like em? No
I half agree.. But really, he very well may be BETTER(not greater) then Sugar Ray Robinson even in his absolute prime(I haven't seen any of him there and I don't think many have seen his fights at welter). You can't really criticize him for having a hard time with Judah... sugar ray Robinson had a hard time with lots of fighters.. Lamotta wasn't a p4p great with any great talents... Also, Augustus pushed Floyd to the limits?? PLEASE, I hate people who think this. I have the fight on my computer, Augustus lands one decent punch in the entire fight, which made Floyd bleed from the nose. Aside from that, it was as onesided as any of Floyds fights, just because Emanuel danced around like an idiot while eating punches doesn't mean he was competitive whatsoever. And sure many think Castillo was robbed... Im not going to bother and look through Sugar Rays record but right on boxrec I remember there were several of his earlier fights where the crowed booed loudly with the decision, and it probably wasn't against fighters as good as Castillo. There's no question Ray Robinson achieved unbelieveable things in the sport, and was vastly talented for his time.. But I think from all footage I have seen, that Floyd WAS p4p a better fighter.. He is more polished, better skilled, far better defensively, I don't even see it being that close tbo.. There are several fighters who were imo p4p better than SRR as well, including Leonard, Duran, and Whittaker. Floyd is seriously underrated on an all time level, just as most current fighters are.. It takes years until they get the respect they deserve.. The only thing that makes it impossible for Floyd to ever achieve the greatness that Robinson did is the way the sport has evolved... Noone fights twice a week anymore against top contenders.. It just can't happen like that.Quote:
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Originally Posted by p4pking
You have your opinion and I'll have mine but since you mention boxrec look at the level of Robinsons comp compared to Floyds....With over 200 fights yeah there are bound to be some bums but over all....Compare who fought more champions...The quality of champions Floyd beat to that of Robinson...At Welterweight Ray Robinson was the greatest man to ever put on gloves