Re: What constitutes handspeed in your opinion?
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Originally Posted by Taeth
I was just curious what do you looked for when you see somebody who you believe has great handspeed? IMO the individual punches particularly the lead left hook, blinding jab and cross make me think a fighter has fast hands... Combinations IMO is just how relaxed and quick a person can rotate their hips and shoulders. I see a guy like MAyweather with lightning quick singles and doubles, but slower big combinations because he puts the "hurt" into ever punch while harder hitters like Mike Tyson or Roy Jones Jr. can take heat of the punches and just throw them faster in a combination. I see guys like Leonard and Meldrick Taylor who IMO who look way faster when throwing a combinations than they do at throwing singles.
So anyways what in your opinion is great handspeed? For me its a guy like Sugar Shane who has overall the fastest hands i've seen or RJJ who has p4p the fastest hands i"ve seen.
great reflexes and outstanding Timing can be mistaken for simple hand speed ...mayweather has both but your right about the combo thing w/ leonard...
reflexes and timing beat speed anyday :)
Re: What constitutes handspeed in your opinion?
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Originally Posted by means2184
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Originally Posted by Taeth
I was just curious what do you looked for when you see somebody who you believe has great handspeed? IMO the individual punches particularly the lead left hook, blinding jab and cross make me think a fighter has fast hands... Combinations IMO is just how relaxed and quick a person can rotate their hips and shoulders. I see a guy like MAyweather with lightning quick singles and doubles, but slower big combinations because he puts the "hurt" into ever punch while harder hitters like Mike Tyson or Roy Jones Jr. can take heat of the punches and just throw them faster in a combination. I see guys like Leonard and Meldrick Taylor who IMO who look way faster when throwing a combinations than they do at throwing singles.
So anyways what in your opinion is great handspeed? For me its a guy like Sugar Shane who has overall the fastest hands i've seen or RJJ who has p4p the fastest hands i"ve seen.
great reflexes and outstanding Timing can be mistaken for simple hand speed ...mayweather has both but your right about the combo thing w/ leonard...
reflexes and timing beat speed anyday :)
CC great example Winky Wright
Re: What constitutes handspeed in your opinion?
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Originally Posted by Taeth
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Originally Posted by yoitsdan
Handspeed, is what it says on he tin, power is a diferent story. Apart from the others you mentioned, Pacquiao has insane handspeed.
I've never really been overly impressed with Pacquiao's handspeed... he is a tiny guy and isn't leaps and bounds faster than a young Barrera.
so you say small fighters are obliged to have fast hands?
it is common among them but it doesnt mean its a necessity
usually guys on the ligther or lower weights are quick
because they know that its their best weapon, they aint got that much power to knock people out with a single blow thats why they were trained to be fast (although there are instance where it comes as a natural gift). this is the main reason why heavyweights are slow, its because they know they got enough power. they have the tendency to depend on it toooo much thus ignoring speed training. making the division awfully sluggish :-X this is also the reason why we fall in love with fighters who has both power and speed. especially in the lower weigths cuz its very rare for someone who is small to posess power, while IMO heavyweights and every other athlete should be quick
imagine a flyweight who doesnt hit hard and throws punches like a sloth...
i doubt if anyone would even try to watch him. a fan nor a trainer wont expect anything from him
so it is almost a compulsory for fighters to have one(speed or power) and better if both
speed is attained when you have fit muscles, (almost all boxers are fit but again, there are some who are fat or thin but they are still quick hence, its a natural freakin gift) proper training (exercises, drills...) power can also be get thru training(but only up to the potential) and again remember that remarkable power cant be acquired cuz if it is, then everyone should have posses it.
what im tryin to say is that if we would be fascinated with someone who has both
hes gona have more appeal if he is small, CUZ again you expect all boxers to be quick but not all hard hitters. on the heavier weights they can never make an excuse that they are slow because they are strong. they shud be both because guys like d greatest ALI have done it in the past. while on the lower weigths, it is 'once in a blue moon' to see someone have both of it.
so to sum it all up. it can be acquired by anyone. and it can also be a gift for someone.
and most of the time, when someone has both of those gifts and polishes it to his full potential,
he is indeed an exciting fighter. BTW, MAB aint close of pacs handspeed :-*
Re: What constitutes handspeed in your opinion?
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Originally Posted by Taeth
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
pernell whitaker
larry holmes
muhammed ali
sugar ray leonard
tommy hearns
joe calzaghe
sugar ray robinson
roy jones all of them have quick hands
Pernell Whitaker:had good speed, but his reflexes were better than anything I was never impressed with his hand speed.
Larry Holmes:Fast jab, but everything else was average IMO.
Muhammad Ali: Probably the fastest true heavyweight matching era for era.
Ray Leonard: lighting combinations his single punches weren't amazingly fast and he telegraphed his jab.
Tommy Hearns: single punches came as quick as Leonard's IMO I also read that from Randy Shields who beat Leonard as an amateur that he thought Hearns was as fast as Leonard.
Joe Calzaghe: Once again I don't think he has amazing speed... sure he is fast, but he isn't legendarily(made up word) fast.
Ray Robinson: Once again for his time he was a speed demon, but compared to the fighters of the past twenty years YAWN.
Roy Jones Jr.: Probably the fastest hands p4p I've seen even at heavyweight he had incredible speed, but I must admit he looks faster because of his reflexes and angles.
what robinson is still one of the quickest i see fight footage recently of his left hook it was so fast i didnt even see it a first had to see it twice
Re: What constitutes handspeed in your opinion?
Yeah Ray Robinson did have Fast Hard single shots. Think of the Mayweather type single shots against Gatti (But obviously relevent to the hand speed to a 154lbs guy).
And also, i agree about Holmes who, in a sense, i see as a bit of a Hearns/ Leonard Heavyweight blend.
He had great timing/ refelxes. Good speed but telegraphed his jab alot (Although it was accurate). Which ment he would get the occasional right hand wallop!
Now this isnt me saying i think RJJ had the fastest hands but i must say he made the best use of his attributes... He's style was floored but his refelex covered that... He had no chin but his agility covered that... His hand speed, in regards to both single and combination punching, which carried power, covered the rest.
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Originally Posted by JimBoogie
Yep, Shoe shinning dosent mean you have grea hand speed.
But he was quick though.
I disagree with Tyson not having fast hands though... His Right Hook to Body/ Right Uppercut Combo was full blown agression and speed. Especially for such a muscular dude.
Ali had quick hands no fooking doubt.
I didn't say Tyson didn't have fast hands, what I said was that he didn't have throw every punch with evil intent he could just throw his punches without following through each one and still hurt the opponent whereas Mayweather has to really enforce each punch.
Sorry mate, i miss understood what you was saying ;)
