**Liddel vs. Ortiz II*** (Rematch) SPOILERS!!!

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Originally Posted by VanChilds

Tito will have hell trying to get chuck down and even a harder time keeping him there if he does....Chuck will finish him off in the second round hands down. If Tito had such a hard time with Forrest he will get KO'd again....Now Rashad Evans has looked good in his last fights...I'd be interested in seeing how he develops. If Rashad doesn't get more well rounded then White will have to go out and bring in someone else from another orginization to challenge Chuck.

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Chuck has no defense when he's on his back.

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Originally Posted by Majesty

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Originally Posted by VanChilds

Tito will have hell trying to get chuck down and even a harder time keeping him there if he does....Chuck will finish him off in the second round hands down. If Tito had such a hard time with Forrest he will get KO'd again....Now Rashad Evans has looked good in his last fights...I'd be interested in seeing how he develops. If Rashad doesn't get more well rounded then White will have to go out and bring in someone else from another orginization to challenge Chuck.

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Chuck has no defense when he's on his back.

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Maybe, but the thing about weaknesses are... you cant just know what they are, you must be able to use them to your advantage. Knowing them is much easier then taking advantage of them.

The last time we saw Chuck on his back was about two years ago in Liddel v Couture I...it hasnt happened since then, and all he's really faced are submission wrestlers. I HIGHLY doubt that Tito will be the one to bring him back to the matt after showing how much his game improved against Griffin :P

And on a related note, before Saturday night, Sylvia had no defense on his back either. We all saw how well that worked for Monson.

;) Chuck Liddel

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Originally Posted by Heavy D

The last time we saw Chuck on his back was about two years ago in Liddel v Couture I...it hasnt happened since then, and all he's really faced are submission wrestlers. I HIGHLY doubt that Tito will be the one to bring him back to the matt after showing how much his game improved against Griffin :P

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submission wrestlers that stood and traded in the standup with him. None of which as strong as Tito ;)

Could go either way, but I will go with Ortiz.

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submission wrestlers that stood and traded in the standup with him. None of which as strong as Tito

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Ironically, two of the three people that beat him were submission wrestlers that beat him using their standup.

Liddel will ko him again

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Originally Posted by Heavy D

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submission wrestlers that stood and traded in the standup with him. None of which as strong as Tito

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Ironically, two of the three people that beat him were submission wrestlers that beat him using their standup.

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If you mean Liddel, Horn submitted him, and Randy stopped him on his back and so did Rampage Jackson.

And if you mean Ortiz, then Mezger submitted him, Shamrock outsmarted him and stoppped him on the ground with hammer fists to the back of his head, and Randy just outfought him and Liddel stopped him.

I say Ortiz is still scared of Liddell, and ya can't win a fight when you are scared of your opponent. Liddel by KO again.

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Originally Posted by Hulk

I say Ortiz is still scared of Liddell, and ya can't win a fight when you are scared of your opponent. Liddel by KO again.

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I doubt Tito is scared of Liddel

I meant Liddel.

And Horn just plain old beat him on the ground.

But Randy beat him standing up with superior boxing, and just finished it on the ground. He won the fight by standing with him, though. Rampage beat Chuck with better boxing skills and by outbrawling him, and once again finishing it on the ground. Chuck was beaten in both fights before it finished on the ground. That would be like saying GSP beat Hughes with his superior ground game, when the quick beating Hughes got on his back was just icing on the cake of outstriking Hughes.

Chuck Liddell has the mental edge because he has knocked out Ortiz before but considering Titos mentality, he's not gonna be hesitant or be intimidated by Liddell. Hes the one who plays mindgames. We never know, especially in the UFC just like in boxing. Anything can happen. I think Tito will win this time via submission. Im expecting a trilogy.

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Originally Posted by Majesty

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Originally Posted by Hulk

I say Ortiz is still scared of Liddell, and ya can't win a fight when you are scared of your opponent. Liddel by KO again.

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I doubt Tito is scared of Liddel

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Ya I agree. The KO is probably in the back of his mind, but I doubt he would fight anyone he is scared of.