Saddo's Official Pound 4 Pound List November, 2006

I like the list.... :)

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

Ivan Calderon is also an excellent boxer but he does not get credit because of his size. I also believe he needs some more big names but he is very skilled...no power though~!

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Size means nothing...no shit.

It's really the fact that this is the list that we all voted on back in January of 2006 & it's working itself out over the course of the year.

I think that Calderon & a few other small guys are good candidates...but their opposition knocks em offa the list.

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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher

I PROTEST THIS LIST >:mad

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Yeah I know...the lack of Judah & the #1 slot probably get's you...that and the fact that Hulk Hogan didn't make the top ten shoots this list to shit for you. ;)

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Originally Posted by Preme

I just don't get why winky isnt number one. His resume in the last few years beats everyones, he looks tot ake the best fights out there. I mean looke at him fighting Ike next, he may not be the fighter he onces was, but hes still pretty dangerous and beating him wont do much for winkys legecy. honestly, wou wudnt see mayweather taking that risk.

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Pac destroyed Morales twice...hence the bump. Wright destroys Quartey then the slide goes in the opposite direction & he regains his #2 slot in my book.

Floyd remains undefeated & continues to rise through the weights in such a dominating fashion...hence being the recognized P4P fighter of the world.

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Originally Posted by Preme

Just 'coz winky isnt some flash, lound mouth power puncher, he gets overlooked. P4P No1 in the world.

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Has nothing to do with it & you know that...this is boxing...not just entertainment...if that were the case...Wright wouldn't even make the 10 cut by most fans account.

I'm a lover of boxing...not flash & ko's...Wright is where he is & he deserves 2nd or 3rd...but Floyd deserves #1 on boxing abilities alone.

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Originally Posted by Hairdoo

The thing with p4p is alot of poeple think its who looks to be the more skilled boxer... and thats not the case. Just imagine Wright, Mayweather, Barrera and Pacquiao all shrunk down to 130 pounds or all inflated to 175 pounds!! who wins? my money would be on the little Philippino Mike Tyson thats for sure!! ;)

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Youv'e been using too much hair spray. Floyd would spank that Phili-Tyson & you know it. ;D

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Originally Posted by AdamGB

being the best P4P doesn't mean getting shrunk or made bigger... it's who who has the best skills and can apply them over the biggest range of weight classes.

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Agreed. Floyd's #1. ;D

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

I like the list.... :)

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Yeah...only because it has two Marquez's on it & you think that you can atleast score with one of them if there's enough tequillia to go round. ;)

:coolclick: s abound to all...good discussions. Keep it up.

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personally I'd have it

1. Winky Wright (IMO the Middle Weight Champion... and Taylor is basically a Super Middle Weight anyway... but Winky's skills can cope with some one MUCH bigger than he is as we saw, that's true P4P right there)

2. Floyd Mayweather

3. Pacman

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Originally Posted by AdamGB

personally I'd have it

1. Winky Wright (IMO the Middle Weight Champion... and Taylor is basically a Super Middle Weight anyway... but Winky's skills can cope with some one MUCH bigger than he is as we saw, that's true P4P right there)

2. Floyd Mayweather

3. Pacman

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This is going to have to come down to the poll I suppose...but Wright will end up taking his slot back unless Quartey pulls the ole' upset. Which I doubt...but he is one tough cookie.

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Originally Posted by AdamGB

Winky's skills can cope with some one MUCH bigger than he is as we saw, that's true P4P right there

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Which is exactly why Mayweather has been & should be #1. He's taken more steps up the ladder than Winky. I love Winky Wright...hands down...he's my favorite on the list based on skills & attitude...but we aint rankin attitude...wer'e rankin skills & Mayweather has that all the way around.

He's #1 because he's undefeated & there's not another in the world like him.

Here's the link for the Official P4P Top Three Slot : http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxing_fo...c,39065.0.html

If you have issues with the Top 3 slots...take a vote & make it count.

Please PM this to someone & get them to PM this link to someone else & ask them to PM it to someone else until we get it sorted.

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Decent list....I would make some adjustments though..

IMO Wright belongs in the Number one slot. Is he undefeated no but also has not lost since 1999. With wins ove Mosley, Trinidad and a draw in his last bout against Taylor is pretty damn good. IMO better than Baldomir, Judah, Gatti, Mitchell.
I give PBF second and Pac third. I am starting to question Hattons Legitimacy due to his poor outing at 147 yes he won but not convincingly. His best performance against a big name was Tszyu who was not the same guy he was two years before. IMO he needs to get some big name wins soon to remain...Maybe a fight with Castillo when he returns?
Same with Joe Calzaghe and I know I will get blasted for this but it has nothing to do with the fact he is not American...IMO one win over a big name opponent in the form of Jeff Lacy does not maken you great. Joe has remained undefeated yes but super middleweight is not exactly chock full of quality now is it?....Enough talk about wanting to fight guys from other divisions just do it already!! A fight outside of his homeland will be nice....and Germany or Denmark does not count....Anywhere outside of Europe.. Doesn't have to be in the USA but just outside of Europe...AND get a few names on your resume....

I would axe Castillo right now. He has been out for a while and until he gets off punishment he should be put on the back burner.

Another thing I may be put to the dogs for but the hell with it...I would like to see Vic Darchinyan at the number 10 spot....He is undefeated and has been dominate....I just think because of his size he may be overlooked

Those 3 guys who beat Pacquiao were all beaten by Pacman on rematches.

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

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Originally Posted by Smashup

Tell you what...
Pacman is very nearly level if not above PBF imo after the Morales beating.
It is an unarguable fact imo that Paquiao is the more entertaining fighter who FIGHTS in every matchup.

No reverse gear on the Pacman and he is pure entertainment.
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:coolclick: Good points.

That being said...Pac's got as many question marks on his record as Floyd does...but Floyd doesn't have the losses.

Floyd is riding on 37 wins with 24 ko's & the rest are performances of which he humiliated everyone that he faced outside of the first Castillo fight.

Pacquiao's record boats 48 fights with 34 ko's, 3 losses, & 2 draws. Nearing the latter part of Pac's career he has faced 3 of the greatest Mexi's of our decade & he's disposed of 2 of them by knockout. The other, Marquez, withstood his full speed ahead gear & over came it to outbox him to a draw. Then there's Larios & Lucero...but not many rate them...& that's just wrong.

Also...now...some fans are giving Pac the Mayweather treatment & disguarding the destruction of Morales based on the fact that he like many of Floyd's opponents were chosen at the right time as fall guys.

Amazing that we as fans can be so disrespectful of our champs...but wer'e all guilty of it...so we can't go throwin stones.

Pac's record is great from 2003 & up...but it's marred by the 3 losses.

Floyd's record is great from 1999 to 2004...but from the skeptical fan...it's downhill after that...I don't agree with that. Gatti, Mitchell, Judah, & Baldomir all had skills...there were just flaws.

No shame in either game...but Floyd, hate his attitude or not, is still the master boxer...Pac is just an unstoppable brute force.

In Wacko's opinion...this is all about boxing...pound for pound...Floyd is superior...but this aint Wacko's list nor is it his forum...so it's all up to you...the people.

This is your list.

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I think the list is great how it is, all well reasoned, and the clearest and most undisputed P4P list I've ever seen. I'm completly satisfied by it.

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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

Decent list....I would make some adjustments though..

IMO Wright belongs in the Number one slot. Is he undefeated no but also has not lost since 1999. With wins ove Mosley, Trinidad and a draw in his last bout against Taylor is pretty damn good. IMO better than Baldomir, Judah, Gatti, Mitchell.
I give PBF second and Pac third. I am starting to question Hattons Legitimacy due to his poor outing at 147 yes he won but not convincingly. His best performance against a big name was Tszyu who was not the same guy he was two years before. IMO he needs to get some big name wins soon to remain...Maybe a fight with Castillo when he returns?
Same with Joe Calzaghe and I know I will get blasted for this but it has nothing to do with the fact he is not American...IMO one win over a big name opponent in the form of Jeff Lacy does not maken you great. Joe has remained undefeated yes but super middleweight is not exactly chock full of quality now is it?....Enough talk about wanting to fight guys from other divisions just do it already!! A fight outside of his homeland will be nice....and Germany or Denmark does not count....Anywhere outside of Europe.. Doesn't have to be in the USA but just outside of Europe...AND get a few names on your resume....

I would axe Castillo right now. He has been out for a while and until he gets off punishment he should be put on the back burner.

Another thing I may be put to the dogs for but the hell with it...I would like to see Vic Darchinyan at the number 10 spot....He is undefeated and has been dominate....I just think because of his size he may be overlooked

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Good points...especially on the highlighted...thought about dropping Castillo based on his conduct & inactivity...but P4P he's a Holy Terror & rightly so.

Tuff call on Darchinyan...I was leaning towards Arce also.

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

Decent list....I would make some adjustments though..

IMO Wright belongs in the Number one slot. Is he undefeated no but also has not lost since 1999. With wins ove Mosley, Trinidad and a draw in his last bout against Taylor is pretty damn good. IMO better than Baldomir, Judah, Gatti, Mitchell.
I give PBF second and Pac third. I am starting to question Hattons Legitimacy due to his poor outing at 147 yes he won but not convincingly. His best performance against a big name was Tszyu who was not the same guy he was two years before. IMO he needs to get some big name wins soon to remain...Maybe a fight with Castillo when he returns?
Same with Joe Calzaghe and I know I will get blasted for this but it has nothing to do with the fact he is not American...IMO one win over a big name opponent in the form of Jeff Lacy does not maken you great. Joe has remained undefeated yes but super middleweight is not exactly chock full of quality now is it?....Enough talk about wanting to fight guys from other divisions just do it already!! A fight outside of his homeland will be nice....and Germany or Denmark does not count....Anywhere outside of Europe.. Doesn't have to be in the USA but just outside of Europe...AND get a few names on your resume....

I would axe Castillo right now. He has been out for a while and until he gets off punishment he should be put on the back burner.

Another thing I may be put to the dogs for but the hell with it...I would like to see Vic Darchinyan at the number 10 spot....He is undefeated and has been dominate....I just think because of his size he may be overlooked

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Good points...especially on the highlighted...thought about dropping Castillo based on his conduct & inactivity...but P4P he's a Holy Terror & rightly so.

Tuff call on Darchinyan...I was leaning towards Arce also.

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I like arce alot, great inside and outside the ring, but don't think he has had enough big fights yet? no fault of his own ofc, just unlucky of the devision he wa sin, lets see how he does now hes moved up eh?

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Originally Posted by MrJohnRuiz

What is this thing you call it Pound 4 Pound???

How hard the boxer can punch no?

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So you don't know what P4P is but on the other thread you did? ;)


Owned... ;)
OK thats it....

I thought you were gonna straighten out but you keep playing this game... I think I let it go long enough and you had your chance. ;)

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

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Originally Posted by MrJohnRuiz

What is this thing you call it Pound 4 Pound???

How hard the boxer can punch no?

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So you don't know what P4P is but on the other thread you did? ;)


Owned... ;)
OK thats it....

I thought you were gonna straighten out but you keep playing this game... I think I let it go long enough and you had your chance. ;)

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Just do what I've been doing...delete all posts that borderline on blatant stupidity.

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

Decent list....I would make some adjustments though..

IMO Wright belongs in the Number one slot. Is he undefeated no but also has not lost since 1999. With wins ove Mosley, Trinidad and a draw in his last bout against Taylor is pretty damn good. IMO better than Baldomir, Judah, Gatti, Mitchell.
I give PBF second and Pac third. I am starting to question Hattons Legitimacy due to his poor outing at 147 yes he won but not convincingly. His best performance against a big name was Tszyu who was not the same guy he was two years before. IMO he needs to get some big name wins soon to remain...Maybe a fight with Castillo when he returns?
Same with Joe Calzaghe and I know I will get blasted for this but it has nothing to do with the fact he is not American...IMO one win over a big name opponent in the form of Jeff Lacy does not maken you great. Joe has remained undefeated yes but super middleweight is not exactly chock full of quality now is it?....Enough talk about wanting to fight guys from other divisions just do it already!! A fight outside of his homeland will be nice....and Germany or Denmark does not count....Anywhere outside of Europe.. Doesn't have to be in the USA but just outside of Europe...AND get a few names on your resume....

I would axe Castillo right now. He has been out for a while and until he gets off punishment he should be put on the back burner.

Another thing I may be put to the dogs for but the hell with it...I would like to see Vic Darchinyan at the number 10 spot....He is undefeated and has been dominate....I just think because of his size he may be overlooked

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Good points...especially on the highlighted...thought about dropping Castillo based on his conduct & inactivity...but P4P he's a Holy Terror & rightly so.

Tuff call on Darchinyan...I was leaning towards Arce also.

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Once Castillo gets back I have no doubt in my mind he has a place on this list...But fair is fair and technicaly he is not active til his suspension is lifted...so i have to go with who is current....
Arce is with out a doubt one of my favorite fighters in the last 5 years but I question him at times....IMO unless he goes all out he has limited resourses which is why I chose Vic

Moving up in weight classes and winning is impressive but not not as impressive if you do not fight the best in the weight class and that is why I can't have Floyd as number 1. Cas,Tszyu,Hatton,Cotto,etc etc these are big names he just glossed over for whatever reason. I'd be far far more impressed if he stayed at a weight class for a while and cleaned up,imagine him fighting the monsters at 147?! No that would be some legacy! (That's just my opinion but running through weight classes beating Gatti,Brusseles etc is hardly amazing is it>)