Pac v Morales or Barrera - in their primes

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Originally Posted by rrbong

Pacquaio would have beaten Morales and Barrera even in their primes. Pacquaio's punches are really heavier than the two. Somebody may rebutt that it's not about strength alone (its about skills, speed, etc.unfortunately pacquaio has all those).... but you must agree with me guys that Pacquaio has a lot more strength and power in his punches than Morales and Barrera.

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You can not seriously be suggesting that he has better boxing skills than barrera and morales :dunce:

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Originally Posted by Missy

What weight? 122 was (for me) Barrera's best weight and despite his weight problems I think it was Morales' best, he physically needed to move up but the punch power had a lesser effect.

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at superbantamweight pac's punch was incredible.i dont think barrera could stand in that division.

yawn. That's right. He was a monster at that weight.

It;s diffcult to pinpoint MAB's prime but certainly when he was younger,he has the boxing skills but he had that fire which I do not feek he has:watch his wars with Junior Jones and Kennedy Mckinney. Pacman is a great fighter,a true warrior but it would be a close close fight"!

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Originally Posted by Missy

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Originally Posted by rrbong

Pacquaio would have beaten Morales and Barrera even in their primes. Pacquaio's punches are really heavier than the two. Somebody may rebutt that it's not about strength alone (its about skills, speed, etc.unfortunately pacquaio has all those).... but you must agree with me guys that Pacquaio has a lot more strength and power in his punches than Morales and Barrera.

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You can not seriously be suggesting that he has better boxing skills than barrera and morales :dunce:

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Time will tell. Pacman is still developing his talents and skills. As of now, he is at the verge of exceeding the combined talents and skills of Barrera and Morales. That''s why he was able to batter the two mexicans.

Thought I'd 'bump' this.

I stand by my 2006 assesment that both MAB and EM ewould have outboxed PAC at their peaks

Styles make fights.
For this reason I think a prime sharpshooting Erik beats Pacquiao.

For the same reason I think that Marco struggles as he brawls with Pac, I'd say that Marco beats him 70+% of the time.

Very harsh on Pac considering he beat them 4 out of 5 times.

I tend to agree though. The first Morales fight was a truer reflection of how they compare than the all of a sudden shot Morales of the rematch.

And Barrera showed enough second time to suggest, in his pomp, with a better preparation, the first Pac fight may well have been different.

I feel Pac's main disuading factor would have been his power. Barrera dealt with the power of both EM and Prince pretty well, so I feel a prime Barrera would only have difficulrty if he made the fight hard for himself.

As for prime Morales, I feel that he could have dealt with Pac much easier using his boxer/puncher style.

I actually think another guy who could have challenged Pac would have been McCullough at the lighter weights. With his chin and style he could have dredged out an exciting loss to Pac.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Very harsh on Pac considering he beat them 4 out of 5 times.

I tend to agree though. The first Morales fight was a truer reflection of how they compare than the all of a sudden shot Morales of the rematch.

And Barrera showed enough second time to suggest, in his pomp, with a better preparation, the first Pac fight may well have been different.

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Exactly . If thats what a washed up Barrera can do . Imagine if Barrera was in his prime

I think Morales would beat him more often than not but Pac would always give Barrera a lot of trouble IMO. Barrera of the first fight (unless you buy all the excuses) was physically fresh and a smarter fighter than the young Barrera and Pac beat him down. And I was a pretty big Barrera fan but he didn't seem all that interested in a rematch for a pretty long time. I don't put too much stock in the second fight, Barrera was just extremely defensive, I don't see him fighting like that in his prime, he would fight smart but not like that.

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Originally Posted by BIG H

Do you think Pac would've beaten either or both, had they been prime at the time of the fights.

I think Pac is p4p number on merit, but I don't think he would've beaten either MAB or EM in their primes

You can see how Morales dictated the fight in their first encounter, when he still had something left, I think both would've probably 'outboxed' him. WHADDAYOURECKON?

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Good points. I actually think that Morales would have abused Pacquiao in a bad way during his prime.

Up until 2004 or so Erik Morales was one of the greatest fighters this sport has ever seen.

I would have choosen Barrera by decision in a prime battle as well.

I am not trying to take anything away from Manny Pacquiao either, he is a great fighter and deserves his place in the sport as well by all means.

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Originally Posted by p4pking

I really am not sure about Barerra vs Pac in their primes.. I suspect Pac could have still beaten him,

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I agree

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Originally Posted by p4pking

although it is a very tricky question.. Im not pretending to know one way or the other, I would simply pick a prime Morales over Pac because a slightly faded one above his best weight already beat Manny.. But like Miles said, Pac may still be coming into his prime, time will tell.

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Just re watched the 1st fight last night. That Pacquiao is a shadow of the pacquiao of today technically.

When Morales rush him old pac backpedals and morales got him by landing combos before covering up at the ropes.

Pac of today would slide sideways and regroup at the middle of the ring.


old pac tried the right hook a few times but were inaccurate

pac's Right hook and uppercut are pretty accurate at the moment.

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Originally Posted by GAME

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Very harsh on Pac considering he beat them 4 out of 5 times.

I tend to agree though. The first Morales fight was a truer reflection of how they compare than the all of a sudden shot Morales of the rematch.

And Barrera showed enough second time to suggest, in his pomp, with a better preparation, the first Pac fight may well have been different.

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Exactly . If thats what a washed up Barrera can do . Imagine if Barrera was in his prime

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Just IMAGINE how would people rank a prime Barrera if a washed up version was pound for pound number 3 :D. The sad thing is that's all we can do. IMAGINE