Oh! and not only that but he still has the nerves to say hes on his way to breakin Joe Louis record.... That shet! makes me sick... :-X
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Oh! and not only that but he still has the nerves to say hes on his way to breakin Joe Louis record.... That shet! makes me sick... :-X
When has that ever happened. Manchester is in England and Calzaghe is from Wales (different country). There was 12,000 there for the lacy fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by stebs
people keep going on about the as if Joe keeps talking about how he is going to, or wants to brake it, when hes spoken about actually NOT wanting to brake it... Christ now Joes at fault for NOT losing... You can use it as an excuse now, but even if he was fighting kessler next, and won; you would still be pissed he was closing into Louis record...Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
Once again people talk about how he fights at home when he has left the UK... Hopkins and RJJ never left the US and none of you haters talk about that...
When i first joined this board i could understand the scepticism about Calzaghe... but now i find it hard to take most replies on the Calzaghe threads serious, people seem to put on another face when they post in a Calzaghe thread, much the same way alot do to mayweather as well. There have been a hell of alot of people criticise Calzaghe for things they defended the likes of Hopkins, RJJ, Mayweather and others over...
It's very simple...
Why Manfredo?
Yeah, and 11,500+ of those were Welshmen who had made the long trip up to Manchester.Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
When it first came out i was thinking Manfredo camp was talking crap, Kessler was the right move.. but after reading and eharing alot this is what i broken it down to...Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
(like anyhting there are 2 sides to stroys, and what is in the papers isn't always True..)
1. Kessler offerd Calzaghe $3.4 to fight in DENMARK, now hand on heart can anyone one of you honestly say you would be pissed if hopkins had turned down his biggest payday to fight his 20th def out side the US? Calzaghe is a very proud fighter - his 20th def would be in and only in Wales... its not even in england who have much mcuh better boxing venues (ask anyone whos been to the Melenium stadium - its a rugy/footy pitch..)
2. HBO told him they want him to fight an american... he has already lost 2 HBO contracts by braking his hands in the past with fights agasint people liek reid, back when HBO wanted to build him up to fight RJJ, now he has a Mega fight in the states with Taylor almost in his grasp, i highly doubt he is going to piss off HBO and say he wants Kessler...
3. Calzaghe could only fight one person to keep his IBF belt and that wasn't Kessler. The $3.4M deal with Kessler was for Joe and Him to fight holding all 4 belts... Joe couldn't do that, and neither could Kessler as they both had mandetories that had been put off already by the sounds of it... again hard to seperate truth from rumors here, or what warren and palle have said to the truth...
4. Even if Calzaghe did go on to beat Kessler, he would have to vacate 3 of the 4 belts before he could fight taylor...
5. Team Kessler offerd Calzaghe $3.4m - yes... but even asking for the fight to be over there was a joke and wasn't a case of warren being in the driving seat. No dissrespect but Kessler is a very small name... he has had 30 seconds on HBO thats it, he gets about 7k people at his fights at home, and HBO just don't seem interested in him 'coz he aint gunna be champ for long. Calzaghe on the other hand will be well in with HBO after this fight, should sell around 30-40 K tickets in a country like Wales, that is tiny, i mean our country is smaller than 90% of the states alone in the Us lol... after sales, TV rights and what nots Calzaghe should make somewhere close to the $3m march the third...
6. Lets say Kessler is actualy one of the Elite. Now Calzaghe and kessler get in the ring, It goes 12 rounds, calzaghe wins a 7-5 say UD simply because Kessler is that good.. unless its an exciting fight the US people watching will put both fighters down leadingot his dream Mega match witha Taylor/hopkins looking slimer or on a lesser stage...
For those 6 reasons and my opinion of Kessler being way overrated, and with the talent in there i think he gets beat, and fairly soon - i back Calzaghe for this decision. Hes never ducked a fighter before, he took on Lacy, constently called out Hopkins and RJJ and made it crystal clear he would take the fight there, so if people think hes scared of Kessler and ducking him, then you must think kessler beats Hopkins and RJJ in the us
Well... thats a nice post with a bunch of boxing politics....
Fact of the matter is when your the chump champ like Joe you're suppose to be in the driver seat, and have control of whom YOU fight.....
MAB didn't have to fight Rocky a second time, ODLH himself gave him 3 names (not including Rockys) and MAB told ODLH no thank you but I wan't to fight Rocky a second time. MAB was even adviced that he didn't have to figh Rocky and there were other BIGGER names out there for him to fight.... MAB still insisted until he convinced ODLH/GBP to convince HBO to let the 2nd match go.
When a fighter want's something and is out to prove hes the best theres no excuses.... You make the fight happend.
About loosing belts, being at home and all that well he could have offered to fight in neutral grounds or something. But anyways to me thats all boxing politics and like i said when a fighter is out to prove hes the best he'll do it anywhere....
your comparing MAB to Calzaghe? an already cert to be an ATG and HoF? Barrera can fight an unknown and have ti in Vegas if he wants... Calzaghe still can't even be a main event in the US, the compareson is way different lol One is a guy who has made it big in the us, had t shirts printed saying he made it big, and those very t shirts went out of style hes been big there that long, while the other has had just ONE HBO fight to date - as for the rest of your post, well thats just ifs and maybes.. Joe has vacated his belt to fight the one HBow ant him to, whos to say Kessler would of vacated his belt, or fight out side of denmark? he said he would but the onlyoffer iv seen was for denamrk and no where else - and still bullsh*t his 20th def should be in his home country just like every other fighter i know who went that far done it (possibly some big stars done it in america im not certain)Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
1. Don't give me this "his 20th defense would be in Wales and only Wales" cuz that's where almost all his defenses areQuote:
Originally Posted by Preme
2. So there is no risk of Calzaghe breaking his hand against Manfredo?
3. Manfredo is not Joe's mandatory. Yet he's still fighting him.
4. So what? Belts mean nothing. He would go in against Taylor as the undisputed Super Middleweight champion. That means more than any belt.
5. Who cares were the fight is. Joe would benefit more by going into Denmark and knocking him out in his own back yard
6. Unless Joe loss, the fights would still happen.
Go ahead and come up with more excuses if you want
Alot of people who have posted on this thread have dissed Joe for the opposition he has faced, and for the opposition he has not faced.
So who should Joe fight next to attain the credit he wants, and the credit to appease the masses?
If he fought Taylor and won, then he's just beaten a middleweight, if he loses ( which i doubt ) then he's a bum.
Hopkins... If Calzaghe wins against Hopkins he is either a blown up middleweight ( and yes i do appreciate he beat Tarver ),or over the hill. Again if he loses he's a bum.
Is Kessler the only option for Joe?
nop, coz should he beat Kessler, kessler would be an unproven overrated hometown fighter...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattyhitman
True.Quote:
Originally Posted by Preme
So who then ?
And beating Manfredo proves what, exactly?Quote:
Originally Posted by Preme
Was merely stating that when a fighter want's to make somehting happened he will, HBO didn't want him fifghting Rocky again and said NO, ODLH had to go back in there and make it happen, cause MAB wanted it to happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Preme
As a fighter you gotta have some control over your career afterall it is your azz in that ring right?
nothing, but it gets him the mega fight with Taylor that he wants, gets to main event a Us fight for mega money - beat the guy who beat the guyQuote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMicK