Re: Roy Jones vs Bernard hopkins 2 close to being made
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Originally Posted by Memphis
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Originally Posted by Hulk
Any of you watch the Badi Ajamu fight in its entirety? Then you'd know that Roy has a pretty good shot at beatin Bernard
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Yeah, Badi ain't in B-hop's league, but he did bring it very briefly, and Roy actually throw some punches and won damn near every round. Point is, he looked good in that fight even if it was against Ajamu, and if he fought like that against B-hop, he would give him trouble. BUT I forgot you fuckers know everything already! Thats why you all, or 90% of you picked Roy to get KTFO by Badi, and B-hop to lose to Tarver. And thats why I picked Roy Jones and Hopkins to both win. ^-^ ;)
Re: Roy Jones vs Bernard hopkins 2 close to being made
If this happens, Jones is a a dead man walking.
Jones doesn't have the physical tools to beat a crafty, skilled boxer like B-Hop at his point. Hopkins might be old, but he has skills and knows every trick in the book. Jones is old, but he's not crafty and he doesn't know every trick in the book. He never needed to learn them. He WAS the most physically gift boxer this generation has seen, maybe the most physically gifted in history, but those days are gone.
Re: Roy Jones vs Bernard hopkins 2 close to being made
I think Roy Jones would be a significant underdog for this fight, if he fights like he did against tarver the second time he loses a UD, if he tries to win he gets KO'd inside 8 IMO.
Re: Roy Jones vs Bernard hopkins 2 close to being made
What are you guys talking about? How is Roy Jones Jr. not crafty? He wasn't just a some god blessed man who had no talent... we've seen plenty of them who have had the physical gifts, but no actual skill, and Roy Jones Jr. wasn't as good as he was simply on his god given gifts if you will. He is a very good offensive fighter who may be the most brilliant offense fighter ever. He feints as well as anyone, he can figure his opponent out usually in the first round, and I admit his physical skills did interfere with his defense, but I believe that he is only in trouble defensively if an opponent can pressure him, and stay in front of him. Bernard Hopkins used to be such a man, but I am not sure if he still has it in him. Roy Jones Jr. is the craftier fighter, and I believe that if they box instead of fight that he is too good for Hopkins who only became a true boxer in his mid 30's while Roy has been a boxer since he was a teenager.
Re: Roy Jones vs Bernard hopkins 2 close to being made
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Originally Posted by Hulk
I forgot you fuckers know everything already! Thats why you all, or 90% of you picked Roy to get KTFO by Badi
Your wrong there Hulk. No one really gave two shits about that fight. Even in winning a fight Jones showed that it is not difficult to beat him these days. Apply enough pressure and he wont fight back, he cant fight back. He will get away with it against the Onion Bahji's of the world who blew his load in the first three minutes, but a Hopkins or a Calzaghe would hammer him.
Re: Roy Jones vs Bernard hopkins 2 close to being made
what i would like to know is if their is some confirmation on that fight or another one that jones might be fighting? i would realy like to see him again after his fight vs prince.. i think he might be getting back to his old style after a win. So anyone has a date of a fight of jones?
thx
Re: Roy Jones vs Bernard hopkins 2 close to being made
I'll be surprised if Jones-Hopkins actually happens.
1. I don't think Jones would risk fighting Hopkins again. As it is right now, he can go into history saying that he beat Hopkins. Why give him the chance to even the score?
2. For this fight to happen, Jones and Hopkins would actually have to come to an agreement. Jones and Hopkins may be the two most stubborn people in the entire sport of boxing. I just can't see them getting to the bargaining table and agreeing on something.
Re: Roy Jones vs Bernard hopkins 2 close to being made
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Originally Posted by Taeth
What are you guys talking about? How is Roy Jones Jr. not crafty? He wasn't just a some god blessed man who had no talent... we've seen plenty of them who have had the physical gifts, but no actual skill, and Roy Jones Jr. wasn't as good as he was simply on his god given gifts if you will. He is a very good offensive fighter who may be the most brilliant offense fighter ever. He feints as well as anyone, he can figure his opponent out usually in the first round, and I admit his physical skills did interfere with his defense, but I believe that he is only in trouble defensively if an opponent can pressure him, and stay in front of him. Bernard Hopkins used to be such a man, but I am not sure if he still has it in him. Roy Jones Jr. is the craftier fighter, and I believe that if they box instead of fight that he is too good for Hopkins who only became a true boxer in his mid 30's while Roy has been a boxer since he was a teenager.
Allow me to clarify, Taeth, because you bring up a good point. He obviously had SOME skill, and yes, he know some tricks, offensively. You correctly admit that he has issues with defense. Yup, big issues, and those have gotten him KO's by his last few real opponents. As for his offensive mojo, any craftiness was based around his ungodly speed. When he trys those tricks now, he just himself in trouble. So he's not really crafty anymore.
Re: Roy Jones vs Bernard hopkins 2 close to being made
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
I'll be surprised if Jones-Hopkins actually happens.
1. I don't think Jones would risk fighting Hopkins again. As it is right now, he can go into history saying that he beat Hopkins. Why give him the chance to even the score?
2. For this fight to happen, Jones and Hopkins would actually have to come to an agreement. Jones and Hopkins may be the two most stubborn people in the entire sport of boxing. I just can't see them getting to the bargaining table and agreeing on something.
well 50-50 isnt a bad deal
Re: Roy Jones vs Bernard hopkins 2 close to being made
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Originally Posted by Memphis
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Originally Posted by Hulk
I forgot you f***** know everything already! Thats why you all, or 90% of you picked Roy to get KTFO by Badi
Your wrong there Hulk. No one really gave two shits about that fight. Even in winning a fight Jones showed that it is not difficult to beat him these days. Apply enough pressure and he wont fight back, he cant fight back. He will get away with it against the Onion Bahji's of the world who blew his load in the first three minutes, but a Hopkins or a Calzaghe would hammer him.
Gotta agree with you memphis.
Infact, if Roy gets 50% of the purse, he's done well for himself as in recent years, B-hop is the main draw.
Re: Roy Jones vs Bernard hopkins 2 close to being made
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Originally Posted by SeanE
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Originally Posted by Taeth
What are you guys talking about? How is Roy Jones Jr. not crafty? He wasn't just a some god blessed man who had no talent... we've seen plenty of them who have had the physical gifts, but no actual skill, and Roy Jones Jr. wasn't as good as he was simply on his god given gifts if you will. He is a very good offensive fighter who may be the most brilliant offense fighter ever. He feints as well as anyone, he can figure his opponent out usually in the first round, and I admit his physical skills did interfere with his defense, but I believe that he is only in trouble defensively if an opponent can pressure him, and stay in front of him. Bernard Hopkins used to be such a man, but I am not sure if he still has it in him. Roy Jones Jr. is the craftier fighter, and I believe that if they box instead of fight that he is too good for Hopkins who only became a true boxer in his mid 30's while Roy has been a boxer since he was a teenager.
Allow me to clarify, Taeth, because you bring up a good point. He obviously had SOME skill, and yes, he know some tricks, offensively. You correctly admit that he has issues with defense. Yup, big issues, and those have gotten him KO's by his last few real opponents. As for his offensive mojo, any craftiness was based around his ungodly speed. When he trys those tricks now, he just himself in trouble. So he's not really crafty anymore.
He still has ungodly speed in terms of handspeed though, and the reason Glen Johnson was successful against him was that Glenn Johnson came through his punches and was able to apply constant pressure on a Roy JOnes Jr. who couldn't hit as hard. Tarver just got a lucky shot, and in the third fight whenever Roy threw punches he was completely overwhelming Tarver, and same with in the first fight when he threw punches. Tarver only beat Roy because Roy didn't throw any punches for 90% of the time, but if he when he does throw punches like he did against Badi I think Bernard is in trouble because Roy is far more polished and still a little quicker than JT who's speed many times didn't allow Bernard to counter, and Roy still has fast reflexes, and unless Bernard could apply pressure like the younger b-hop could I can't see him winning like I've said a few times because Roy is simply a better fighter on the outside, and I still see almost nobody beating him on the outside.
Re: Roy Jones vs Bernard hopkins 2 close to being made
Jones is not going to win this fight sorry guys. OK so Jones looked good(ish) against Badi, but B-HOP totally shut out the same bloke that beat Jones twice. Prime for Prime Jones wins all day long, but not now B-HOP's style has been less eroded with age.
Re: Roy Jones vs Bernard hopkins 2 close to being made
If this fight happens Bernard is going to beat Jones. Roy had lost a lot since his fights with Tarver and Johnson. Just think about Jones declining performance and Hopkins superb performance against Tarver (who beat 3 times Jones (1 stolen)) ???
I rather watch a Calzage -Hopkins fight... I do not think a Hopkins - Jones fight today is worth the $50 that it will probably cost...
Re: Roy Jones vs Bernard hopkins 2 close to being made
Um not to make huge excuses but Tarver has never looked as bad as when he did against Hopkins with or without B-hop in the ring... alot of fighters would have beaten him that night, and IMO if Roy would have thrown punches he would have one the third fight, and that second fight punch was luck, and it was hard enough to knock out almost anyone. B-hop doesn't throw enough punches, and isn't quick enough to hit Roy IMO. Because Roy is open to the one two because he reacts to the jab, but is open for the cross, however Glen Johnson only exploited this by comming foreward 24/7, but Hopkins doesn't anymore, and he doesn't keep his hands up anymore, and though he has a good right cross, Roy's is better and quicker along with his punishing body work which could spell trouble for Hopkins' skinny frame.
Re: Roy Jones vs Bernard hopkins 2 close to being made
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Originally Posted by Puerto Rican Punch
If this fight happens Bernard is going to beat Jones. Roy had lost a lot since his fights with Tarver and Johnson. Just think about Jones declining performance and Hopkins superb performance against Tarver (who beat 3 times Jones (1 stolen)) ???
I rather watch a Calzage -Hopkins fight... I do not think a Hopkins - Jones fight today is worth the $50 that it will probably cost...
How the hell do y ou have Tarver winning the first fight? Anybody with even mediocre boxing knowledge would know that Roy beat Tarver in the first fight decisively.
