Re: Why is Pacquiao getting so much hype?
Going by that list Morrales and Barrera couldn't beat ODLH p4p either, nor JMM who didn't lose to Pacquaio and came back on points to tie it after being knocked down 3 times in the first round. I also think Arce at this point would give Barrera a run for his money, and likely beat Morrales if its Morrales who was at 130.
Re: Why is Pacquiao getting so much hype?
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Wow you guys are totally misunderstanding me... Pacquaio is skilled, fast, strong, etc, etc. But he isn't as good as some of the guys out there. IMO not even close. I think proof of how far MOrrales fell was against Zahir Raheem who is a good boxer, but not Hall of Famer anywhere near the prime of their career would have lost to him as decisively as Morrales did. Barrera-Pacquaio was a great fight, but I think younger Barrera would have won because he had a little better defense, and had a better chin. Pacquaio is a exciting, and probably the most fighter to watch in the world right now, but when I say hype I mean he shouldn't be #2 p4p, and people considering him as good as Mayweather is crap. The reason why I say Mayweather's competition was a little better is because Zab came in more focused, and in better shape(the only time he really had very defined abs) than we've ever seen him. He is the hardest opponent for Mayweather because 1. He's southpaw 2. He's the only guy who comes close to Mayweather in speed or skill at fighting a slow fight when he's thinking. 3. With his speed comes alot of power which combined with the speed makes him a dangerous fighter when he does come in focused. Why IMO Baldomir was a harder opponent for Mayweather than Morrales was for Pacquaio. 1. He naturally way bigger than Mayweather, and outweighs him by almost 40 pounds at his walking around weight. 2. Mayweather couldn't hurt him. 3. Baldomir didn't give up when he realized he was overmatched, and he still threw kept comming, and unlike Morrales he was comming off to big wins while MOrrales morale must have been down in the dumbs after losing two fights in a row.
All I am saying is thinking about Pacquaio in the ring with mayweather (who is close to Pacquaio's size because if you look at him, he only moved up from super feather weight to get new challenges, and when he was the age Pacquaio was when he started his career he was the fighting in the olympics at 118). THis is not just with Mayweather, but how would Pacquaio beat Winky who he likely couldn't hurt, and who's jab dominates orthodox fighters let alone southpaws. I think Pacquaio beats Hopkins, Barrera, any heavyweight, and Taylor p4p, but I don't see him being better p4p than Calzaghe, and what Calzaghe did beating an old Eubanks who until then didn't necessarily look young.
damn...sounds like you are talking out of your ass... :lolololol:
Re: Why is Pacquiao getting so much hype?
Because I don't think that Pacquaio can beat a few elite fighters in the world? Every fighter has his flaws, and Pacquaio has many especially on defense he only needs fight somebody with amazing jab or who's faster than him or somebody like Winky who is very good defensively and he is in trouble, but there are very few of them. I just think that an exciting fighter doesn't make him deserve a higher rank p4p.
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Because I don't think that Pacquaio can beat a few elite fighters in the world? Every fighter has his flaws, and Pacquaio has many especially on defense he only needs fight somebody with amazing jab or who's faster than him or somebody like Winky who is very good defensively and he is in trouble, but there are very few of them. I just think that an exciting fighter doesn't make him deserve a higher rank p4p.
that's what make pacquiao an exciting fighter. the thought that he has flaws and beatable and yet he overcomes his opponents despite those flaws. even when he was very young and raw, he faced some opponents who's got great boxing skills (chatchai sasakul for instance) and with sheer determination, heart and guts overwhelmed them in the end. being blessed with tremendous stamina and power doesn't hurt him either. sooner or later he'll be in the ring with the ones you want him to fight and chances are he'll make a believer outta you... that is as long as pac keeps his focus and discipline in training.
Re: Why is Pacquiao getting so much hype?
He's beaten Morales twice, and knocked out Barrera, he's from the phillipines and he is very exciting to watch and has massive power. And he seems like a really nice guy. Thats why there's so much hype its pretty simple really.
Re: Why is Pacquiao getting so much hype?
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MANNY PACQUIAO destroyed 4 out of the current top 20 Mexican fighters including the no. 1, no. 2, no. 10 and no. 15. That's destroying one fifth or 20 percent of Mexico's top boxers...
I can fully understand why PACQUIAO is very well known among Mexican boxing fans and Mexican boxing writers alike ...
MANNY PACQUIAO, the one-man wrecking crew of top Mexican fighters...
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So you think Barrera or MOrrales right now would beat Castillo or Margaritto p4p? I don't even like Margaritto and I think p4p he's too strong for Barrera or MOrrales right now, and both him and Castillo are much harder opponents than Barrera or Morrales at this point in their carreers.
Barrera is currently no. 4 P4P on Ring Mag's list ... Margarito? Nowhere to be seen among the top 10 ...
PAC currently at no. 2 moving to no. 1 ...
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Re: Why is Pacquiao getting so much hype?
Barrera is rated that high on name alone. No way would he beat Castillo p4p. He hasn't done anything impressive since he beat Morrales in 2004 by MD.. I don't think he could beat a young(or less worn out fighter) who has a good chin and comes foreward. When I say hype I mean why does Pacquaio get so much hype for his skill when he is a good fighter, but he lacks alot qualities the great fighters who fought like him had. Example young Tyson had way better head movement, and he slipped punches far better. I think Pacquaio has time to learn, but watching Floyd when he was only 21-22 he would have already beaten Pacquiao back when he fought Genaro if that Floyd met Pacquaio now.
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Barrera is rated that high on name alone. No way would he beat Castillo p4p. He hasn't done anything impressive since he beat Morrales in 2004 by MD.. I don't think he could beat a young(or less worn out fighter) who has a good chin and comes foreward. When I say hype I mean why does Pacquaio get so much hype for his skill when he is a good fighter, but he lacks alot qualities the great fighters who fought like him had. Example young Tyson had way better head movement, and he slipped punches far better. I think Pacquaio has time to learn, but watching Floyd when he was only 21-22 he would have already beaten Pacquiao back when he fought Genaro if that Floyd met Pacquaio now.
Pacquiao doesnt have a sound technique yes, but for someone as technically deficient as he is he surely is EFFECTIVE ;D that alone I think should warrant hype.
I noticed you're starting to berate PAC's previous opponents, dude I'd like to ask you do you think Valero can or will stop PAC? (IMO Valero should be the topdog on this one since he is naturally bigger and stronger starting his career at junior lightweight). What if PAC stops Valero too? I guess you'll say VAL is too green, not skilled.......and so forth ::**
Re: Why is Pacquiao getting so much hype?
taeth! we all get it, u don't like pac now just keep in to yourself, the more u go on with this the more you look stupid, ;D
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Barrera is rated that high on name alone. No way would he beat Castillo p4p. He hasn't done anything impressive since he beat Morrales in 2004 by MD.. I don't think he could beat a young(or less worn out fighter) who has a good chin and comes foreward. When I say hype I mean why does Pacquaio get so much hype for his skill when he is a good fighter, but he lacks alot qualities the great fighters who fought like him had. Example young Tyson had way better head movement, and he slipped punches far better. I think Pacquaio has time to learn, but watching Floyd when he was only 21-22 he would have already beaten Pacquiao back when he fought Genaro if that Floyd met Pacquaio now.
P4P lists are subjective but almost all P4P list consistently listed Barrera among the top 5 together with PAC, PBF, Winky and JT. I think, it is only your P4P list where Margarito and Castillo were ranked higher than Barrera ... You have a very "unique" P4P list ...
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Re: Why is Pacquiao getting so much hype?
... do you think if Barrera went up 5 pounds to fight Castillo he would win? Or if he the Castillo who went toe to toe with Corrales at this point in his career? Barrera can't hurt Castillo, and Castillo who hits harder than Pacquiao would knock him out.
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taeth! we all get it, u don't like pac now just keep in to yourself, the more u go on with this the more you look stupid, ;D
If I didn't like him why would I buy his career? I do like Pacquaio and he is one of my favorite fighters right. Also I believe he would be Valero, but who has Valero foughten? Mosquera? Does that really mean that he can compete with Pacquaio? Also where a fighter started their career isn't fair when one guy started his career when he was 15-16, and the other guy starting his at 21. Those 5-6 years a person not only grows taller, but fills out. IMO Valero is no bigger than Pacquaio nor is he the type of boxer who could beat Pacquaio.
Re: Why is Pacquiao getting so much hype?
The funny thing about it is that he doesn't get hype. He gets the credit he deserves for taking on the toughest challenges out there and proving time and time again that he can overwhelm even the best. There's a thin line between credit and hype and you're putting Pac on the wrong side of that line.
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=if erik was THAT done why DIDNT barrera or raheem stop him or at least drop him once Pac DID.
=if MAB was just off that night he was mauled by PAC why was it a landslide win/stoppage for PAC and not just a close decision win?
=PAC compared to other big punchers at 130 is really a natural 126 pounder IMO he started his career as a fighter at 112 pounds and worked his way up DESTROYING fighters MUCH BIGGER THAN HIM.
= he's got charisma ad a powerful fighter who is actually NOT A THUG
Obviously you unaware of the termoil prior to MAB's fight with Pac Man.
He left his promoter to join golden Boy Promotions. This angered his old old promoter so he disclosed that MAB had a plate in his head which caused a media frenzy here in the states not in his homeland. 2nd his training camp was interupted / stopped due to brush fires. 3rd he underestimated Pac Man. All more legitimate excuses than a pair of socks from the .99 cents store as used by Pac Man and his nuthugging fans. I Hope his jockstrap is sized right for the JMM rematch. Either way it is his nuthugging fans and not Pac himself that generate excuses if he falls short of a KO. Plus if you knew anything about boxing you would know Raheem has little or no power at all.
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So what are the other primetime, good money fights that Pac should be taking right now? He killed the old guard of greats. Before Pacman those guys were still considered the top. Now that he beat them, they are old. Ain't that how it always is?
There is only one opponent. Pac man has a wallet full of money but the store shelves are bare. Only JMM remains because after that there are no qualty foes. Within the division are old marquee names. Beating Morales after 2 losses hardly qualifies for pedestal status. Mmmm guess if I bagged Farrah Faucet today, I am a stud because she used to be hot !!!
