Re: WBO orders Margarito-Williams!
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Originally Posted by Majesty
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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702
no way in hell does margarito beat williams.
williams and margarito have only one thing in common................................. theyre big welterweights.
williams is faster, hits tons harder, is a bigger fighter, and has better defence than margarito.
williams is the future of boxing, and margarito is nothing more than a glorified journeyman who is no more than 2 fights away from being exposed
Yes but Margarito could still take advantage of the things Williams needs to work on. He may be more 'everything' then Margarito but if he's still weak in some areas Margarito can take advantage of then he isn;t gonna win. There's no way a short guy like Sharmba Mitchell should get inside and fire flurries at a taller Williams like he was able to.
If Williams learns to keep his hands up, not to lean forward, to tuck his chin, and use his jab and his height a lot more often, then I'll say he can beat Margarito.
cc#263 Majesty good points.....
Also not only did Sharmba get inside but he caught and IMO rocked Williams with a 2 huge right hands in the fight....
Lets not forget also that Mathysse was able to do the same and also rocked Williams in the fight....
I like Williams and he has the tools to beat Margarito BUT he is vunerable hes green and hasn't been in a 'World Class/stage' fight.... If he can get it together and fight the best fight he can then all praise to him cause he will beat Margarito, BUT the slightest mistake can and will cost him....
Re: WBO orders Margarito-Williams!
Margarito beats Williams but loses to Cotto. Cotto beats both, Margarito being a good fight, Williams is just a walkover for Cotto.
Williams is so green, people laugh about Margarito's opposition, look at Williams, its absolutely laughable. When I see a guy who's been brought up as soft as Williams, I have to wonder what his management knows that we don't know, what they're worrying about. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe they just wanted to take no chances and then put him in with a somebody, I don't know.
Re: WBO orders Margarito-Williams!
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Originally Posted by Majesty
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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702
no way in hell does margarito beat williams.
williams and margarito have only one thing in common................................. theyre big welterweights.
williams is faster, hits tons harder, is a bigger fighter, and has better defence than margarito.
williams is the future of boxing, and margarito is nothing more than a glorified journeyman who is no more than 2 fights away from being exposed
Yes but Margarito could still take advantage of the things Williams needs to work on. He may be more 'everything' then Margarito but if he's still weak in some areas Margarito can take advantage of then he isn;t gonna win. There's no way a short guy like Sharmba Mitchell should get inside and fire flurries at a taller Williams like he was able to.
If Williams learns to keep his hands up, not to lean forward, to tuck his chin, and use his jab and his height a lot more often, then I'll say he can beat Margarito.
its true that sharmba was able to get inside and land some solid combos on williams, but theres no way in hell that margarito is able to the same.
dont forget, mitchell (even in the twilight of his career) has BOXING skills and a whole lot of speed............. toney has neither of those, and margarito is maybe the slowest welterweight i have ever seen and "boxing" (not brawling) isnt exactly antonio's fortay. not to mention for every flaw williams has.... margarito has four
and youre absolutely right about williams flaws though, but if he irons out those flaws (a big if) than we have the current generations next big thing in boxing.................................. not just a good fighter that can beat a glorified journeyman ;)
Re: WBO orders Margarito-Williams!
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Originally Posted by amat
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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702
williams is the future of boxing, and margarito is nothing more than a glorified journeyman who is no more than 2 fights away from being exposed
Now that's not fair imo. Margarito is really good. He's been 2 fights away from being exposed since he got the short end of the stick against Santos. If he really was a journeyman, Cintron and Clottey would have walked right through him. Do I think he survives against Floyd? No way. Cotto? Probably not. But he's by no means a bum.
cc#535 amat very good points, frozensolid_702 you usually make valid comments/posts and opinions but I think you might have pushed that one a wee-bit tooo far......
To say that Margarito is a journeyman is just absurd, I will go ahead and think that you typed that sentence up in the heat of the moment and don't really think Margaritos a journeyman.....
Re: WBO orders Margarito-Williams!
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
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Originally Posted by amat
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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702
williams is the future of boxing, and margarito is nothing more than a glorified journeyman who is no more than 2 fights away from being exposed
Now that's not fair imo. Margarito is really good. He's been 2 fights away from being exposed since he got the short end of the stick against Santos. If he really was a journeyman, Cintron and Clottey would have walked right through him. Do I think he survives against Floyd? No way. Cotto? Probably not. But he's by no means a bum.
cc#535 amat very good points, frozensolid_702 you usually make valid comments/posts and opinions but I think you might have pushed that one a wee-bit tooo far......
To say that Margarito is a journeyman is just absurd, I will go ahead and think that you typed that sentence up in the heat of the moment and don't really think Margaritos a journeyman.....
Definately not a bum or journeymen lol! Hes a good fighter, how good i aint sure though! I think Cotto and Mayweather beat Margarito but think Margarito v Willaims is very tricky to pick.
Re: WBO orders Margarito-Williams!
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Originally Posted by cockey cockney
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
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Originally Posted by amat
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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702
williams is the future of boxing, and margarito is nothing more than a glorified journeyman who is no more than 2 fights away from being exposed
Now that's not fair imo. Margarito is really good. He's been 2 fights away from being exposed since he got the short end of the stick against Santos. If he really was a journeyman, Cintron and Clottey would have walked right through him. Do I think he survives against Floyd? No way. Cotto? Probably not. But he's by no means a bum.
cc#535 amat very good points, frozensolid_702 you usually make valid comments/posts and opinions but I think you might have pushed that one a wee-bit tooo far......
To say that Margarito is a journeyman is just absurd, I will go ahead and think that you typed that sentence up in the heat of the moment and don't really think Margaritos a journeyman.....
Definately not a bum or journeymen lol! Hes a good fighter, how good i aint sure though! I think Cotto and Mayweather beat Margarito but think Margarito v Willaims is very tricky to pick.
And see heres what people misinterpret, WE the Margarito fans DON'T glorify him as unbeatble/unstoppable or anything like that.... Nore does he I have seen tons of interviews and read interviews of his he NEVER states hes the best or hes unbeatble he just want's his shot at the titles hes been saying since Zab was champ. he said it while Baldomir was champ. hes saying it while PBF is a champ.
Shits gone wrong for him, he played the waiting game it didn't pay off, he looked like VER rusty against Clottey, his previous fight was a 1 rounder... He has nonone to blame it's just the luck of the draw and he just has to tighten up his balls and fight the best fight he can.....
Re: WBO orders Margarito-Williams!
Let the dice roll where they may ! Margarito -vs- Williams or Cotto.. or both.. gonna be good action fight. Great sustained fan friendly action ! O0
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speaking of Margarito, I think I'm gonna make me one, on the Rocks, no salt ! ;)
Re: WBO orders Margarito-Williams!
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
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Originally Posted by amat
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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702
williams is the future of boxing, and margarito is nothing more than a glorified journeyman who is no more than 2 fights away from being exposed
Now that's not fair imo. Margarito is really good. He's been 2 fights away from being exposed since he got the short end of the stick against Santos. If he really was a journeyman, Cintron and Clottey would have walked right through him. Do I think he survives against Floyd? No way. Cotto? Probably not. But he's by no means a bum.
cc#535 amat very good points, frozensolid_702 you usually make valid comments/posts and opinions but I think you might have pushed that one a wee-bit tooo far......
To say that Margarito is a journeyman is just absurd, I will go ahead and think that you typed that sentence up in the heat of the moment and don't really think Margaritos a journeyman.....
No t defending anyone but I think he meant Sharamba as a Jorneyman
Re: WBO orders Margarito-Williams!
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
speaking of Margarito, I think I'm gonna make me one, on the Rocks, no salt ! ;)
I say teh sma e hit to my wife who make great margaritas keep the salt to yourself babe :o ;D ;)
Re: WBO orders Margarito-Williams!
I love both guys, my 2 favourite fighters but I'm going on record and saying Margarito is going to wreck Cotto. Why? He's been waiting for this for a loooooooooooooooooooooong time,he's more experienced at the weight and he can take advantage of Cotto's defence. Tony will get banged to the body but he knows that and should prepare for that.Cotto is going to be attacked in a way he has not been before,head and body. I just see Tony overwhelming him and the pace Tony will set will upset Miguel#s rythm and cool demeanour.he won't be used to all that leather coming at him. As I love both guys,I think it gives me a good view of the fight and I think the Tijuana tornado wins. Either way,that's fight of the year for me,nothing can beat that. We will learn ALOT about both fighters.
I think both beat Williams,if Sharmba can get inside like that,so too can Cotto and Cotto would murder Paul to the body. Margarito I feel hits harder,and come across as more savvy to me. If he gets as many free shots as Sharmba and Mathysee,he'll hurt Williams and although Williams is the one fighter I can see outworking Tony,it's going to be a BIG jump for Williams in terms of quality of opponent and I don't think he'll be able to handle it.And like it or not,Margarito's defence is tighter(Clottey fight aside)
Re: WBO orders Margarito-Williams!
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
I love both guys, my 2 favourite fighters but I'm going on record and saying Margarito is going to wreck Cotto. Why? He's been waiting for this for a loooooooooooooooooooooong time,he's more experienced at the weight and he can take advantage of Cotto's defence. Tony will get banged to the body but he knows that and should prepare for that.Cotto is going to be attacked in a way he has not been before,head and body. I just see Tony overwhelming him and the pace Tony will set will upset Miguel#s rythm and cool demeanour.he won't be used to all that leather coming at him. As I love both guys,I think it gives me a good view of the fight and I think the Tijuana tornado wins. Either way,that's fight of the year for me,nothing can beat that. We will learn ALOT about both fighters.
I think both beat Williams,if Sharmba can get inside like that,so too can Cotto and Cotto would murder Paul to the body. Margarito I feel hits harder,and come across as more savvy to me. If he gets as many free shots as Sharmba and Mathysee,he'll hurt Williams and although Williams is the one fighter I can see outworking Tony,it's going to be a BIG jump for Williams in terms of quality of opponent and I don't think he'll be able to handle it.And like it or not,Margarito's defence is tighter(Clottey fight aside)
All good mate !! I feel Tony is too slow to beat either Williams or Cotto.. Margarito is very predictable.... that being said, he does come to fight. and will lose on his shield ! no question very entertaining matches !
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That;s the thing with Margarito,he makes up for his lack pf speed in other ways such as his unpredictablness,his work rate and stamina etc. Most of his opponents have a speed advantage over him but there are ways to negate speed. Margarito is a strange fighter to me,he's honest. He's not brilliant in any area and there are vastly superior athletes etc yet he is an anomaly,he's always dangerous and has tremendous heart(to fight with a busted ankle,wrist and rustiness and still maintain that pace a gainst a fighter like Clottey,the only difference being Tony didn't keep moaning about his pain like Clottey,he kept going was a superb effort even though he looked awful),a good chin etc. I just see a dangerous fighter who is a threat to anyone ar 147 due to his awkward style.
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Originally Posted by Puya
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
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Originally Posted by amat
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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702
williams is the future of boxing, and margarito is nothing more than a glorified journeyman who is no more than 2 fights away from being exposed
Now that's not fair imo. Margarito is really good. He's been 2 fights away from being exposed since he got the short end of the stick against Santos. If he really was a journeyman, Cintron and Clottey would have walked right through him. Do I think he survives against Floyd? No way. Cotto? Probably not. But he's by no means a bum.
cc#535 amat very good points, frozensolid_702 you usually make valid comments/posts and opinions but I think you might have pushed that one a wee-bit tooo far......
To say that Margarito is a journeyman is just absurd, I will go ahead and think that you typed that sentence up in the heat of the moment and don't really think Margaritos a journeyman.....
No t defending anyone but I think he meant Sharamba as a Jorneyman
Nah! he clearly meant Margarito....
Re: WBO orders Margarito-Williams!
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
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Originally Posted by Puya
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
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Originally Posted by amat
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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702
williams is the future of boxing, and margarito is nothing more than a glorified journeyman who is no more than 2 fights away from being exposed
Now that's not fair imo. Margarito is really good. He's been 2 fights away from being exposed since he got the short end of the stick against Santos. If he really was a journeyman, Cintron and Clottey would have walked right through him. Do I think he survives against Floyd? No way. Cotto? Probably not. But he's by no means a bum.
cc#535 amat very good points, frozensolid_702 you usually make valid comments/posts and opinions but I think you might have pushed that one a wee-bit tooo far......
To say that Margarito is a journeyman is just absurd, I will go ahead and think that you typed that sentence up in the heat of the moment and don't really think Margaritos a journeyman.....
No t defending anyone but I think he meant Sharamba as a Jorneyman
Nah! he clearly meant Margarito....
bump....
