Kessler-Andrade March 24th

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by Preme

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by tommygunn

none of these guy's are in calzaghes class both if any of you guy's have ever seen kessler fight you'll know he's b-level. a win over markus beyer doesn't make you a superstar, when calzaghe was fighting lacy both these guy's wern't quoted, ive seen kessler fight about 12 times although he dopes have good power and a descent jab a fight with joe would be another 120-108 fight or even a late ko.

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Cause Bika and Manfredo are definately A- Class fighters right?
Calzaghe has great skill in the ring, but he only fights twice a year,
he only has ONE name on his record that is even worth mentioning
And has backed out of more fights than ANY Champion I have ever
seen (Johnson, Hopkins, Johnson again)

How do you compare Jeff Lacy to Kessler? I think Kessler is well
better than Lacy.

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Calzaghe back out of the hopkins fight???

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For the 1,000th time. Yes. Let me break it down for you

Calzaghe: Ay Hopkins, I need to stop facing bums. Your 40, but still a name. I'll give you 3 million. Let's fight. But it's got to be at 168.
Hopkins: 168? I can still make 160
Calzaghe: Don't you want to fight for the WBO Super Middleweight title?
Hopkins: WBO still in buisness? What fighters they rank?
Calzaghe: Yeah they still around. They got me facing future HOF's like Will McIntyre, Tocker Pudwill, Miguel Jimenez. Need I go on?
Hopkins: Please don't. Anyway I'm not sure if 3 mill is enough for me to move up in weight and give up my titles. I am 40. You know. Plus I made more knocking out Trinidad
Calzaghe: I know your 40. I love facing old shot fighters. I'm not saying your shot. Just old fighters are easier to beat. Come on, let's do it
Hopkins: I tell you what. I'll say yeah for now. But give me 2 weeks to sign the contract. If something better comes up. I'll take it. Is that cool?
Calzaghe: That's fine. If you can get more money somewhere else. Go ahead. I understand. It's all about the chedder. And don't worry about me. I won't say anything bad about you.

De La Hoya: What's up Hopkins? I'm trying to make history let's fight?
Hopkins: You want to fight me?
De La Hoya: Yeah, why you got anything lined up?
Hopkins: Not really. Calzslapply, Calzcrappy. Whatever his name is wants to fight.
De La Hoya: Really? You going to waste your time with him? He's garbage
Hopkins: I know. But it's an easy 3 million. Did you know the WBO is still around? He's there champ
De La Hoya: 3 million? And you got to move up in weight? Just to fight for the WBO?
Hopkins: That's the plan
De La Hoya: I'll give you 10 mill. And we fight at 160.
Hopkins: Alright. Joe said he understands good business. Plus I can always ko him later

Hopkins: Ay Joe. No deal. Oscar wants to give me 10 million. To fight him
Calzaghe: Oscar? You mean Oscar Del Hoya? O'h my God I love him. I got his record album. It's good
Hopkins: I'm sure it is. Anyway we cool?
Calzaghe: But what about me? Fight me. I need the exposure
Hopkins: Tell you what Joe. Since you came at me first. I'll give you a chance. Give me 6 mill. And it's on.
Calzaghe: 6 mill? I don't think daddy Frank will go for it
Hopkins: He got deep pockets
Calzaghe: But he's a cheap B******
Hopkins: Just do it
Calzaghe: Okay, but if he says no it's okay with me. I understand you fighting Oscar. I won't talk S***. Just do me a favor
Hopkins: What's that?
Calzaghe: Get me Oscar's autograph?

Calzaghe: Ay daddy. Hopkins wants 6 to fight.
Warren: I know. Oscar's offering 10
Calzaghe: So we going to do it
Warren: Hell no ! You want to get your a** kick? You can't win. You see the plan was never to fight Hopkins. We just wanted to make it seem that way. I knew about the De La Hoya fight all along. So we make Hopkins a lower offer. He rejects it. And we tell everybody he scare of you. You understand? That's call making you look good
Calzaghe: I see. Thank you daddy. I never wanted to fight Hopkins anyway. He's scary. I heard he went to jail
Warren: He did
Calzaghe: By the way, daddy. Guess what
Waarren: What?
Calzaghe: I'm getting Oscar's autograph

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That's priceless. Great post. CC.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by Preme

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by tommygunn

none of these guy's are in calzaghes class both if any of you guy's have ever seen kessler fight you'll know he's b-level. a win over markus beyer doesn't make you a superstar, when calzaghe was fighting lacy both these guy's wern't quoted, ive seen kessler fight about 12 times although he dopes have good power and a descent jab a fight with joe would be another 120-108 fight or even a late ko.

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Cause Bika and Manfredo are definately A- Class fighters right?
Calzaghe has great skill in the ring, but he only fights twice a year,
he only has ONE name on his record that is even worth mentioning
And has backed out of more fights than ANY Champion I have ever
seen (Johnson, Hopkins, Johnson again)

How do you compare Jeff Lacy to Kessler? I think Kessler is well
better than Lacy.

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Calzaghe back out of the hopkins fight???

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For the 1,000th time. Yes. Let me break it down for you

Calzaghe: Ay Hopkins, I need to stop facing bums. Your 40, but still a name. I'll give you 3 million. Let's fight. But it's got to be at 168.
Hopkins: 168? I can still make 160
Calzaghe: Don't you want to fight for the WBO Super Middleweight title?
Hopkins: WBO still in buisness? What fighters they rank?
Calzaghe: Yeah they still around. They got me facing future HOF's like Will McIntyre, Tocker Pudwill, Miguel Jimenez. Need I go on?
Hopkins: Please don't. Anyway I'm not sure if 3 mill is enough for me to move up in weight and give up my titles. I am 40. You know. Plus I made more knocking out Trinidad
Calzaghe: I know your 40. I love facing old shot fighters. I'm not saying your shot. Just old fighters are easier to beat. Come on, let's do it
Hopkins: I tell you what. I'll say yeah for now. But give me 2 weeks to sign the contract. If something better comes up. I'll take it. Is that cool?
Calzaghe: That's fine. If you can get more money somewhere else. Go ahead. I understand. It's all about the chedder. And don't worry about me. I won't say anything bad about you.

De La Hoya: What's up Hopkins? I'm trying to make history let's fight?
Hopkins: You want to fight me?
De La Hoya: Yeah, why you got anything lined up?
Hopkins: Not really. Calzslapply, Calzcrappy. Whatever his name is wants to fight.
De La Hoya: Really? You going to waste your time with him? He's garbage
Hopkins: I know. But it's an easy 3 million. Did you know the WBO is still around? He's there champ
De La Hoya: 3 million? And you got to move up in weight? Just to fight for the WBO?
Hopkins: That's the plan
De La Hoya: I'll give you 10 mill. And we fight at 160.
Hopkins: Alright. Joe said he understands good business. Plus I can always ko him later

Hopkins: Ay Joe. No deal. Oscar wants to give me 10 million. To fight him
Calzaghe: Oscar? You mean Oscar Del Hoya? O'h my God I love him. I got his record album. It's good
Hopkins: I'm sure it is. Anyway we cool?
Calzaghe: But what about me? Fight me. I need the exposure
Hopkins: Tell you what Joe. Since you came at me first. I'll give you a chance. Give me 6 mill. And it's on.
Calzaghe: 6 mill? I don't think daddy Frank will go for it
Hopkins: He got deep pockets
Calzaghe: But he's a cheap bastard
Hopkins: Just do it
Calzaghe: Okay, but if he says no it's okay with me. I understand you fighting Oscar. I won't talk shit. Just do me a favor
Hopkins: What's that?
Calzaghe: Get me Oscar's autograph?

Calzaghe: Ay daddy. Hopkins wants 6 to fight.
Warren: I know. Oscar's offering 10
Calzaghe: So we going to do it
Warren: Hell no ! You want to get your ass kick? You can't win. You see the plan was never to fight Hopkins. We just wanted to make it seem that way. I knew about the De La Hoya fight all along. So we make Hopkins a lower offer. He rejects it. And we tell everybody he scare of you. You understand? That's call making you look good
Calzaghe: I see. Thank you daddy. I never wanted to fight Hopkins anyway. He's scary. I heard he went to jail
Warren: He did
Calzaghe: By the way, daddy. Guess what
Waarren: What?
Calzaghe: I'm getting Oscar's autograph

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Pretty good.

Except when Hopkins agreed to fight Joe he was 37. Not 40. It was 2002. Not 2005.

Hopkins made $2.5m against Trinidad. $2.5m is less than $3m.

$1m to fight Hakkar. $1m is less than $3m.

$300,000 to fight Joppy. $300,000 is less than $3m.

$1m to fight Allan. $1m is less than $3m.

$1m + $300,000 + $1m = $2.3m. $2.3m is less than $3m.

Why was it he didn't fight Calzaghe for that easy $3m before getting to the Golden Boy? What sets those guys apart from Calzaghe?

Why was it he demanded $6m to face Calzaghe in 2002 and yet in 2006 he fought Tarver for his second biggest pay day ever - $5m?

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by Preme

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by tommygunn

none of these guy\'s are in calzaghes class both if any of you guy\'s have ever seen kessler fight you\'ll know he\'s b-level. a win over markus beyer doesn\'t make you a superstar, when calzaghe was fighting lacy both these guy\'s wern\'t quoted, ive seen kessler fight about 12 times although he dopes have good power and a descent jab a fight with joe would be another 120-108 fight or even a late ko.

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Cause Bika and Manfredo are definately A- Class fighters right?
Calzaghe has great skill in the ring, but he only fights twice a year,
he only has ONE name on his record that is even worth mentioning
And has backed out of more fights than ANY Champion I have ever
seen (Johnson, Hopkins, Johnson again)

How do you compare Jeff Lacy to Kessler? I think Kessler is well
better than Lacy.

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Calzaghe back out of the hopkins fight???

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For the 1,000th time. Yes. Let me break it down for you

Calzaghe: Ay Hopkins, I need to stop facing bums. Your 40, but still a name. I\'ll give you 3 million. Let\'s fight. But it\'s got to be at 168.
Hopkins: 168? I can still make 160
Calzaghe: Don\'t you want to fight for the WBO Super Middleweight title?
Hopkins: WBO still in buisness? What fighters they rank?
Calzaghe: Yeah they still around. They got me facing future HOF\'s like Will McIntyre, Tocker Pudwill, Miguel Jimenez. Need I go on?
Hopkins: Please don\'t. Anyway I\'m not sure if 3 mill is enough for me to move up in weight and give up my titles. I am 40. You know. Plus I made more knocking out Trinidad
Calzaghe: I know your 40. I love facing old shot fighters. I\'m not saying your shot. Just old fighters are easier to beat. Come on, let\'s do it
Hopkins: I tell you what. I\'ll say yeah for now. But give me 2 weeks to sign the contract. If something better comes up. I\'ll take it. Is that cool?
Calzaghe: That\'s fine. If you can get more money somewhere else. Go ahead. I understand. It\'s all about the chedder. And don\'t worry about me. I won\'t say anything bad about you.

De La Hoya: What\'s up Hopkins? I\'m trying to make history let\'s fight?
Hopkins: You want to fight me?
De La Hoya: Yeah, why you got anything lined up?
Hopkins: Not really. Calzslapply, Calzcrappy. Whatever his name is wants to fight.
De La Hoya: Really? You going to waste your time with him? He\'s garbage
Hopkins: I know. But it\'s an easy 3 million. Did you know the WBO is still around? He\'s there champ
De La Hoya: 3 million? And you got to move up in weight? Just to fight for the WBO?
Hopkins: That\'s the plan
De La Hoya: I\'ll give you 10 mill. And we fight at 160.
Hopkins: Alright. Joe said he understands good business. Plus I can always ko him later

Hopkins: Ay Joe. No deal. Oscar wants to give me 10 million. To fight him
Calzaghe: Oscar? You mean Oscar Del Hoya? O\'h my God I love him. I got his record album. It\'s good
Hopkins: I\'m sure it is. Anyway we cool?
Calzaghe: But what about me? Fight me. I need the exposure
Hopkins: Tell you what Joe. Since you came at me first. I\'ll give you a chance. Give me 6 mill. And it\'s on.
Calzaghe: 6 mill? I don\'t think daddy Frank will go for it
Hopkins: He got deep pockets
Calzaghe: But he\'s a cheap bastard
Hopkins: Just do it
Calzaghe: Okay, but if he says no it\'s okay with me. I understand you fighting Oscar. I won\'t talk shit. Just do me a favor
Hopkins: What\'s that?
Calzaghe: Get me Oscar\'s autograph?

Calzaghe: Ay daddy. Hopkins wants 6 to fight.
Warren: I know. Oscar\'s offering 10
Calzaghe: So we going to do it
Warren: Hell no ! You want to get your ass kick? You can\'t win. You see the plan was never to fight Hopkins. We just wanted to make it seem that way. I knew about the De La Hoya fight all along. So we make Hopkins a lower offer. He rejects it. And we tell everybody he scare of you. You understand? That\'s call making you look good
Calzaghe: I see. Thank you daddy. I never wanted to fight Hopkins anyway. He\'s scary. I heard he went to jail
Warren: He did
Calzaghe: By the way, daddy. Guess what
Waarren: What?
Calzaghe: I\'m getting Oscar\'s autograph

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Pretty good.

Except when Hopkins agreed to fight Joe he was 37. Not 40. It was 2002. Not 2005.

Hopkins made $2.5m against Trinidad. $2.5m is less than $3m.

$1m to fight Hakkar. $1m is less than $3m.

$300,000 to fight Joppy. $300,000 is less than $3m.

$1m to fight Allan. $1m is less than $3m.

$1m + $300,000 + $1m = $2.3m. $2.3m is less than $3m.

Why was it he didn\'t fight Calzaghe for that easy $3m before getting to the Golden Boy? What sets those guys apart from Calzaghe?

Why was it he demanded $6m to face Calzaghe in 2002 and yet in 2006 he fought Tarver for his second biggest pay day ever - $5m?

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You really need to get your numbers straight. Once the PPV money was added Hopkins took home close to 6 million for the Trinidad fight. That\'s according to both Ring magazine and KO magazine who I think know a good amount about boxing.

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Originally Posted by Rotten Apple

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by Preme

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by tommygunn

none of these guy\'s are in calzaghes class both if any of you guy\'s have ever seen kessler fight you\'ll know he\'s b-level. a win over markus beyer doesn\'t make you a superstar, when calzaghe was fighting lacy both these guy\'s wern\'t quoted, ive seen kessler fight about 12 times although he dopes have good power and a descent jab a fight with joe would be another 120-108 fight or even a late ko.

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Cause Bika and Manfredo are definately A- Class fighters right?
Calzaghe has great skill in the ring, but he only fights twice a year,
he only has ONE name on his record that is even worth mentioning
And has backed out of more fights than ANY Champion I have ever
seen (Johnson, Hopkins, Johnson again)

How do you compare Jeff Lacy to Kessler? I think Kessler is well
better than Lacy.

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Calzaghe back out of the hopkins fight???

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For the 1,000th time. Yes. Let me break it down for you

Calzaghe: Ay Hopkins, I need to stop facing bums. Your 40, but still a name. I\'ll give you 3 million. Let\'s fight. But it\'s got to be at 168.
Hopkins: 168? I can still make 160
Calzaghe: Don\'t you want to fight for the WBO Super Middleweight title?
Hopkins: WBO still in buisness? What fighters they rank?
Calzaghe: Yeah they still around. They got me facing future HOF\'s like Will McIntyre, Tocker Pudwill, Miguel Jimenez. Need I go on?
Hopkins: Please don\'t. Anyway I\'m not sure if 3 mill is enough for me to move up in weight and give up my titles. I am 40. You know. Plus I made more knocking out Trinidad
Calzaghe: I know your 40. I love facing old shot fighters. I\'m not saying your shot. Just old fighters are easier to beat. Come on, let\'s do it
Hopkins: I tell you what. I\'ll say yeah for now. But give me 2 weeks to sign the contract. If something better comes up. I\'ll take it. Is that cool?
Calzaghe: That\'s fine. If you can get more money somewhere else. Go ahead. I understand. It\'s all about the chedder. And don\'t worry about me. I won\'t say anything bad about you.

De La Hoya: What\'s up Hopkins? I\'m trying to make history let\'s fight?
Hopkins: You want to fight me?
De La Hoya: Yeah, why you got anything lined up?
Hopkins: Not really. Calzslapply, Calzcrappy. Whatever his name is wants to fight.
De La Hoya: Really? You going to waste your time with him? He\'s garbage
Hopkins: I know. But it\'s an easy 3 million. Did you know the WBO is still around? He\'s there champ
De La Hoya: 3 million? And you got to move up in weight? Just to fight for the WBO?
Hopkins: That\'s the plan
De La Hoya: I\'ll give you 10 mill. And we fight at 160.
Hopkins: Alright. Joe said he understands good business. Plus I can always ko him later

Hopkins: Ay Joe. No deal. Oscar wants to give me 10 million. To fight him
Calzaghe: Oscar? You mean Oscar Del Hoya? O\'h my God I love him. I got his record album. It\'s good
Hopkins: I\'m sure it is. Anyway we cool?
Calzaghe: But what about me? Fight me. I need the exposure
Hopkins: Tell you what Joe. Since you came at me first. I\'ll give you a chance. Give me 6 mill. And it\'s on.
Calzaghe: 6 mill? I don\'t think daddy Frank will go for it
Hopkins: He got deep pockets
Calzaghe: But he\'s a cheap bastard
Hopkins: Just do it
Calzaghe: Okay, but if he says no it\'s okay with me. I understand you fighting Oscar. I won\'t talk shit. Just do me a favor
Hopkins: What\'s that?
Calzaghe: Get me Oscar\'s autograph?

Calzaghe: Ay daddy. Hopkins wants 6 to fight.
Warren: I know. Oscar\'s offering 10
Calzaghe: So we going to do it
Warren: Hell no ! You want to get your ass kick? You can\'t win. You see the plan was never to fight Hopkins. We just wanted to make it seem that way. I knew about the De La Hoya fight all along. So we make Hopkins a lower offer. He rejects it. And we tell everybody he scare of you. You understand? That\'s call making you look good
Calzaghe: I see. Thank you daddy. I never wanted to fight Hopkins anyway. He\'s scary. I heard he went to jail
Warren: He did
Calzaghe: By the way, daddy. Guess what
Waarren: What?
Calzaghe: I\'m getting Oscar\'s autograph

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Pretty good.

Except when Hopkins agreed to fight Joe he was 37. Not 40. It was 2002. Not 2005.

Hopkins made $2.5m against Trinidad. $2.5m is less than $3m.

$1m to fight Hakkar. $1m is less than $3m.

$300,000 to fight Joppy. $300,000 is less than $3m.

$1m to fight Allan. $1m is less than $3m.

$1m + $300,000 + $1m = $2.3m. $2.3m is less than $3m.

Why was it he didn\'t fight Calzaghe for that easy $3m before getting to the Golden Boy? What sets those guys apart from Calzaghe?

Why was it he demanded $6m to face Calzaghe in 2002 and yet in 2006 he fought Tarver for his second biggest pay day ever - $5m?

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You really need to get your numbers straight. Once the PPV money was added Hopkins took home close to 6 million for the Trinidad fight. That\'s according to both Ring magazine and KO magazine who I think know a good amount about boxing.

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Something Fakester doesn't know a damn thing about

ahhh come on VD don't start crying.

You been having a rough time at school?

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Originally Posted by Fenster

ahhh come on VD don't start crying.

You been having a rough time at school?

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Crying? Nah, man. I'm having a ball. I always get a kick at making a fool of you

We're not back on the whole "theres only one reason for a fighter to turn down his biggest ever payday" nonsense are we?

Violent Demise have a guess at how many times you have contradicted yourself on that one in the last 3 or 4 months?

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Originally Posted by Memphis

We're not back on the whole "theres only one reason for a fighter to turn down his biggest ever payday" nonsense are we?

Violent Demise have a guess at how many times you have contradicted yourself on that one in the last 3 or 4 months?

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Once or twice. It happens. Rarely for me. But it happens. Tell many how many times. Give a me number. That way i can give you your number. I might not log them down like you do, but it doesn't mean I ain't noticed the number of times you contradicted yourself.

I couldnt tell you, let me know, Im interested really.

By the way I dont log anything ;D Its just that when a man of your unquestionable wisedom slips up or has to squirm you cant help but notice. Kinda like If Wacko did a sober round by round, or claims to like girls, you notice that kind of stuff.

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Originally Posted by Memphis

I couldnt tell you, let me know, Im interested really.

By the way I dont log anything ;D Its just that when a man of your unquestionable wisedom slips up or has to squirm you cant help but notice. Kinda like If Wacko did a sober round by round, or claims to like girls, you notice that kind of stuff.

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I don't know the number. I remember losing count at around 63. If you double that you might have the number of times you done it in the last 2 months.

Im flattered you kept count up to 63.

Sad bastard ;D