Number 1 Super Middleweight right now!!

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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun

Umm, how on earth did Robert Stieglitz end up on this list of luminaries....surely there are plenty more SMW's on this list who deserve to be in the top 5?

Anyhow, predictably enough my vote is going to go with Calzaghe, but come this time next year, and Calzaghe has continued to fight top 20 fighters, and Kessler fighting top 10 fighters, then I think it inevitable that Kessler will deserve top spot. But not yet.

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I tried to take my opinion out of the equation, and I just put up the title holders and #1 contenders for the big 4 Alphabet titles: WBA, WBO, WBC and IBF

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Originally Posted by bilbo

Well like most people I'm getting frustrated with Calzaghe's seeming inability to pursue the big fights but lets be fair, in Chris Eubank and Jeff Lacy he has two bigger names than anyone on Kesslers record.

He's beatne all comers and is the worlds longest reigning champion in any division.

Yes I'm annoyed he chose to avoid Kessler and fight Manfredo instead but until he gets beaten he's still number 1.

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But that's the thing... Those are the two notable Calzaghe victories that you bring to light... And they are TEN YEARS apart... Or close to it. Can anyone honestly say Calzaghe's beating a shot Chris Eubank nine years ago has anything to do with where he should be ranked today?? Really it comes down to more whether Jeff Lacy was really much better than the likes of Beyer or Eric Lucas even... I don't think he is. And certainly Andrade is a much much tougher challenge than Manfredo ::** Couple that with, as has been mentioned, the fact that Kessler want's Calzaghe not the other way around, and I think it's really dead even.. Calzaghe has the heralded win that people are going to talk about, but aside from that, Kessler has shown he want's to pursue the bigger fights at the moment.

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Originally Posted by killersheep

I had to take Kessler on this one, he is taking on the tougher competition and is he
beats Andrade, that completely trumps the Jeff Lacy win by Calzaghe IMO.

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Which world title does Andrade hold ?

Whilst I dont agree that beating Andrade will trump Calzaghe's win over Lacy, at least Andrade has earned his right to fight the champion.

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Originally Posted by bilbo

Well like most people I'm getting frustrated with Calzaghe's seeming inability to pursue the big fights but lets be fair, in Chris Eubank and Jeff Lacy he has two bigger names than anyone on Kesslers record.

He's beatne all comers and is the worlds longest reigning champion in any division.

Yes I'm annoyed he chose to avoid Kessler and fight Manfredo instead but until he gets beaten he's still number 1.

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But that's the thing... Those are the two notable Calzaghe victories that you bring to light... And they are TEN YEARS apart... Or close to it. Can anyone honestly say Calzaghe's beating a shot Chris Eubank nine years ago has anything to do with where he should be ranked today?? Really it comes down to more whether Jeff Lacy was really much better than the likes of Beyer or Eric Lucas even... I don't think he is. And certainly Andrade is a much much tougher challenge than Manfredo ::** Couple that with, as has been mentioned, the fact that Kessler want's Calzaghe not the other way around, and I think it's really dead even.. Calzaghe has the heralded win that people are going to talk about, but aside from that, Kessler has shown he want's to pursue the bigger fights at the moment.

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I think Calzaghe wants Kesller just as much as Kessler wants him. I don't think its purely down to Calzaghe as to why they haven't fought yet.

In fairness to Mundine, he has improved a whole hell of a lot since the fight with Ottke.

calzaghe is deffo the best super middle weight if you ask me. definately. kessler is to average to beat calzaghe. and who else contends for the top spot at 168? cos it aint froch or mundaine or any of those other fools

Though most of you may know I favor Kess, but the truth is the truth.
Joe C. is the Champ. of the div. and Kess is #1.

Champ: Joe C.

1. Kess
2. Andrade
3. Mundine
4. Lacy
5. Allan Green
6. Froch
7. Beyer
8. Bute
9. Soliman
10. Inkin

The amount of supposedly top fighters with no loses shows that the wrong fights are now made in boxing.