Cotto AND Urango

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Originally Posted by jbirdy

nah sweat pea hatton has got his huge fight, name and payday in his fight with castillo at 140.

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Castillo is a good fighter, and that figures to be an exciting fight, but it is nowhere near as much of a big money fight as a Hatton-Cotto or Hatton-Mayweather would be. Castillo has nowhere near the same market appeal as those other two guys. Do you think Hatton-Cotto or Hatton-Mayweather would be on free HBO instead of PPV? Don't think so.

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Originally Posted by jbirdy

and on your hatton mayweather target practice theory its bullshit aswell. floyd would be the fight of hatton's life and so ricky would be all over mayweather like a rash. more up for it than in the tszyu fight. i think hatton would walk through mayweather's shots. but thats another topic

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Wow, if I had a dollar for everytime over the years that someone has said a fighter like Hatton would walk thru an elite speed/defense fighter like Mayweather, I'd be sitting in the front row with the celebs and CEOs for all the big fights instead of following Wacko's drunken round-by-rounds from my apartment.

you may have heard that argument so many times sweet pea my friend because it is quite a valid argument. i just said it again because you baught it up. myself and many others just think that mayweather hasn't got the firepower to keep hatton off him for 12 rounds when hatton is on one.
yeah a fight with cotto or mayweather would be bigger than hatton's fight with castillo but that fight still shapes up to be awesome. and the fact is that hatton and castillo both want that fight, it will be a close fight, and both fighters are already fighting at 140.

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Originally Posted by jbirdy

you may have heard that argument so many times sweet pea my friend because it is quite a valid argument. i just said it again because you baught it up. myself and many others just think that mayweather hasn't got the firepower to keep hatton off him for 12 rounds when hatton is on one.

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Mayweather doesn't need firepower to keep Hatton off him. He needs speed and technique, both of which he has in abundance. Not everything in boxing is about power. An elite speed/defense fighter (like Mayweather, or Whitaker in years past) doesn't lose unless they get old or they move way too far up in weight to fight someone who is simply too big. Neither of those scenarios applies in a Mayweather-Hatton showdown. Hatton has neither the size nor the skill to beat a fighter of Floyd's skillset while Floyd is still in his physical prime.

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Originally Posted by jbirdy

yeah a fight with cotto or mayweather would be bigger than hatton's fight with castillo but that fight still shapes up to be awesome. and the fact is that hatton and castillo both want that fight, it will be a close fight, and both fighters are already fighting at 140.

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I never said the Hatton-Castillo fight wouldn't be awesome or close. I'm sure it will be a very entertaining, close fight, one I'm looking very forward to watching. I just said it isn't a "huge" fight in the same way that a Cotto or Mayweather fight would be.

thats bull shit sweat pea. i'm not gonna have ANOTHER rant about it coz i don't want to stray off the topic. but you cant say that a skilled fighter doesnt lose unless this or that. and that a fighter cant beat another fighter because of this or that. upsets happen, and mayweather i reckon no one at light welter or welter is going to beat mayweather with speed or by boxing because he is just too good. i reckon he's only going to get beaten by a fighter that will rough him up, really take it too him and make him work his balls off. cotto, hatton or margarito are the only ones who have a chance at 147.

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Originally Posted by jbirdy

thats bull S*** sweat pea. i'm not gonna have ANOTHER rant about it coz i don't want to stray off the topic. but you cant say that a skilled fighter doesnt lose unless this or that. and that a fighter cant beat another fighter because of this or that. upsets happen, and mayweather i reckon no one at light welter or welter is going to beat mayweather with speed or by boxing because he is just too good. i reckon he's only going to get beaten by a fighter that will rough him up, really take it too him and make him work his balls off. cotto, hatton or margarito are the only ones who have a chance at 147.

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No it's not BS. I didn't say that a "skilled" fighter doesn't lose. There are lots of "skilled" professional boxers out there, and they lose all the time. I said an "elite speed defense" fighter. This type of fighter only comes around once a decade or so, if that. And like all fighters, elite speed/defense fighters always eventually lose at some point. But not in their physical prime to a fighter like Hatton.
Everyone who fights Mayweather (just like every guy who ever fought Whitaker) says they're going to rough him up, make him work, wear him down to the body, etc. etc.
But you can't rough up a guy who is too fast to hit more than a couple times a round.

I think Carlos Baldomir was supposed to rough up Mayweather too. Look how that went. Did he even land 10 significant punches the whole fight?

I respect both fighters - they both go to war at times which is what i respect.

With regards the outcome? i dont either one is a clear favourite.

With regards the urango punch - Hatton was full of 'Flu & cold.

He only went through with the Vegas fight because many of his hometown fans had saved up for months and months for flights & hotels and he felt obliged...

sweat pea you almost had a half decent argument untill you topped it off with the baldomir comment. baldomir was never supposed to rough mayweather up, he was only ever supposed to lose to mayweather and let him win another tittle, thats why floyd chose him as an opponent. he was such an underdog no one gave him a chance. and he is a far too predictable, plodding, slow average fighter to beat mayweather. and he cannot be compared to hatton. and you are right that most fighters say they are going to rty and rough mayweather up and don't, but if you look at the only fighters who ever really take the fight to floyd they are successfull. judah took the fight to him for the first 5 rounds and was probably winning untill he slowed down and tried to box. castillo took the fight to mayweather in the first fight and loads of fans reckon he own that fight because of the tactic.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

At 147, Cotto owns Hatton.
At 140, Hatton owns Cotto.

Thats why I've been saying they should fight at a catch weight. No advanatge for either one. :)

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Thats it for me.

147 against Cotto and I would be worried for Hatton

That said, anyone judging Hatton on his last two fights is wide of the mark

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Originally Posted by jbirdy

and you are right that most fighters say they are going to rty and rough mayweather up and don't, but if you look at the only fighters who ever really take the fight to floyd they are successfull. judah took the fight to him for the first 5 rounds and was probably winning untill he slowed down and tried to box.

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You're analyzing the Judah fight incorrectly. Judah wasn't successful in the first 5 rounds because he was taking the fight to Floyd. He was successful because he is the only fighter in the 140/147 divisions who is almost as fast as Floyd. For all his mental faults, Judah has tremendous physical skills. In fact, he's much more talented than Hatton. Judah was able to land punches that no one else has been able to land on Floyd, because of his great hand speed.
Judah was fighting in an extremely disciplined boxing stance for the first 4 or 5 rounds, and countering Floyd effectively. But once Floyd landed some good shots in rounds 5-6, Judah folded up like a tent. Judah didn't start losing because he started trying to box, he lost because once he got hit, he completely forgot about what he had been doing successfully, which was box and make the most of his counter opportunities.
This is the story of Judah's career... talented enough to compete with any fighter on the planet, but not focused or mentally tough enough to do it for 12 rounds.

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Originally Posted by jbirdy

castillo took the fight to mayweather in the first fight and loads of fans reckon he own that fight because of the tactic.

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You're right. Castillo fought very well in that fight and may have deserved a win. I had the fight even, but it's certainly a legit argument to say that Castillo won.
But Floyd in 2007 is not the same fighter he was in 2002. He's better. Floyd was already a great defensive fighter back then, but he wasn't as complete a defensive fighter as he is now. Back then, Floyd could already make guys miss from the outside, like he did with Corrales, but he hadn't perfected the art of making fighters miss up close.
You'll notice that now, even if his opponent does manage to get close to him, Floyd can make them miss repeatedly by rolling his shoulders or by using his gloves and elbows to block punches. Also, when he gets backed up against the ropes, he's become very adept at spinning his way out. These are subtle things that don't seem like much on the surface, but they make a huge difference over the course of a fight.
Mayweather can do things like this defensively against Hatton that he didn't do against Castillo.