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I like both fighters. But I do consider Mayweather to be the slightly better fighter. The way I rate them is pretty simple. On a scale of 1 to 10. I give Whitaker a 10 for defense. I give Mayweather a 9. For offense I give Whitaker a 5. I give Mayweather an 8. That's 15 points for Pernell. 17 for Floyd. Like I said simple.
some of u guys are dick heads pernell was outstaning thas true but y diss floyd hesis jus as good and deserves more credit than given he has pop has defense and throws smart punches all u guys are comparing pernells carrer to floyds fight with baldi
You're very welcome cc backQuote:
Originally Posted by dasamm
Nice video. Always a pleasure to watch him.
no question about it. i'm the biggest PBF fan on here and i have no problem saying whitiker defense was better.Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubin
I'm not so sure Oscar is worse now... sure he is slower, and all, but he knows how to use both hands now, and IMO thats far more important... also the size is a far greater advantage because at 154 Mayweather will be slower than what he is used to, and thats his bread and butter when push comes to shove.Quote:
Originally Posted by dasamm
One thing that's not getting mentioned here is that Whitaker was unpopular for most of his career. People complained about Whitaker being boring all the time. There were plenty of fights in his prime where he would give his opponent a complete boxing lesson and the crowd would boo the last few rounds because Whitaker wasn't brawling or trying to knock the guy out. He was never a fan favorite.
That's why he had so few fights in Vegas. He had a lot of fights in his hometown of Norfolk because that's the only place where he could fill an arena.
That's why he had to fight McGirt (who's from NY) at Madison Square Garden and had to fight Chavez in Texas in front of 65,000 Chavez fans.
Sweet pea was really terrific fighter just not everyones favorite to watch.
Ipersonally think he cud have held is own with the Durans and Leonards of this world.
wot do you guys think ?
As youve correctly said before, this is becuase Pernell chose to win by way of volume punching, being brave, cobining guts with sublime defence.Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPea
Which is absolutely great. However. That doesnt lay the blueprint for a succesfull venture up the weight classes.
Even Roberto Durans fights, to some extent will detail that... Point being he adjusted.
You have to agree that in a few of his bigger fights (Chavez,Trinidad & Oscar) Pernell was the one moving away, sometimes even running.Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPea
Im not saying that was his style but there were times when he just had to. Floyd chooses to.. Possibly for a good reason, as we may find out as Floyd slows down. But the point is, that IMO, Floyd is more effective.
You could count the amount of times Floyd has been hit in his last 3 fights on both hands. (One hand dedictaed to the Juda fight ::**).
And although the fights were either one sided, boring or both they were (minus the fouling) immaculate. Which Floyd reeks of while Pernnel doesn't quite.
Yet what Floyd choses not to do with the jab, he does twice as effectively with the straight right. (N'dou, Castillo II, Gatti, Baldomir).Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPea
Sweat Pea does look the business though. Just wont have a bad word said about the guy who actually started at a lower weight class. 8)
I think he could of held his own against anyone between 135-147 in history.Quote:
Originally Posted by althetruthhindley
I also think a Prime Pernell would of outboxed a Mayweather.
Dan i think sweat pea was a top fighter to and if he had BIG POWER wud have been even more terrific feel free to mail me guys
Well Pernell did reign as welterweight champ for 4 years, including victories over McGirt (twice), Chavez, and arguably De La Hoya. That's a pretty successful move up in weight. Whitaker also won a belt at 154.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimboogie
You're 100% right about the Chavez fight. Whitaker was constantly on the move for the whole 12 rounds, because that was the best way for him to win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimboogie
That's not true with the De La Hoya fight so much and definitely not with Trinidad. By the time he fought Trindidad, age and abuse had robbed him of his speed and reflexes. He stood flat footed in front of Tito for 12 rounds and took shots that would've knocked any other man out.
True. But you could say this about almost every fight Whitaker had over a 6 or 7 year span.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimboogie
I'm not sure. Whitaker is considered by many to be a technically perfect fighter. He had plenty of fights where he won all 12 rounds and was never hit with a clean punch all night.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimboogie
Whitaker got hit more in % than Mayweather who has been hit less than any other top 10 p4p level boxer.
I've read that before, but do these stats include Whitaker's last 7 or 8 fights?? Because he was past his prime by that point and therefore got hit a lot more than he did in his prime.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Mayweather is still in his prime and hasn't lost his speed yet, so comparing Floyd's stats to Pernell's isn't a fair comparison unless you remove all the stats from fights Pernell had past the age of 29 (the age Floyd is now).
Pernell didn't fight the same quality IMO as Mayweather... some good names he has are Roger Mayweather(who was pretty good, but nothing like his nephew... in the ring at least), Vazquez(who did well against Winky, but is slow, and I think Winky had the wrong still for him), McGirt of course was IMO the best he fought, but Mayweather has already foughten very fast and offensively Skilled Zab Judah, Corrales, Chavez, Castillo, Corrales(who is both fast and strong). Also I just watched Baldomir and Mayweather, and Mayweather is not often straight up hitting and running... many times in the fight he comes up to Baldomir and boxes him on the inside or throws combinations against Baldomir where he is hitting Baldomir flush and doesn't get hit once. IMO its impossible to say who's got the better defense especially in terms of skill because Whitaker had a defensive advantage fighting southpaw.