Re: Bernard Hopkins Vs Julian Jackson
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Bomp
Prime B-hop for me, probably by KO as well after wearing him down. JJ was one hell of a puncher though, freakish power, but still reckon the best chins could handle him like Hagler. McCallum managed it, once he got over the rough patch he just broke him down.
He didn't catch McCallum flush though he caught him few good shots but not flush Jackson would ko Hopkins if he made one mistake but Hopkins should win this.
I agree with you, but the point I'm trying to make is that the best fighters very rarely get caught flush. Hagler and MacCallum had excellent chins, but they were also very good at keeping there chins down, so while they often took big punches, they were never really flush shots like the one JJ landed on graham.
The impresison I get from JJ is that he was a very good fighter, but just seemed to come unstuck against the very best well schooled fighters, which is what B-hop is. Even though JJ would have a punchers chance against Hopkins, I'd rate it as a very slim chance, less than one fight in 10.
Re: Bernard Hopkins Vs Julian Jackson
I actually think that the post-prime more mature hopkins would be a lot more likely to beat jackson than B-hop in his "prime" as he fought vs. jones.
In his earlier career he was easier to catch with bombs and as he became older and became more defense concious (and some say negative in the ring,) for me he would grind out a ud
Re: Bernard Hopkins Vs Julian Jackson
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
I actually think that the post-prime more mature hopkins would be a lot more likely to beat jackson than B-hop in his "prime" as he fought vs. jones.
In his earlier career he was easier to catch with bombs and as he became older and became more defense concious (and some say negative in the ring,) for me he would grind out a ud
Actually i never considered that version of Hopkins that fought Jones to be a prime Hopkins
Re: Bernard Hopkins Vs Julian Jackson
Re: Bernard Hopkins Vs Julian Jackson
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
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Re: Bernard Hopkins Vs Julian Jackson
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
I actually think that the post-prime more mature hopkins would be a lot more likely to beat jackson than B-hop in his "prime" as he fought vs. jones.
In his earlier career he was easier to catch with bombs and as he became older and became more defense concious (and some say negative in the ring,) for me he would grind out a ud
Actually i never considered that version of Hopkins that fought Jones to be a prime Hopkins
Actually theres alot too that,because of his lack of an ametuer backround,Bhop really doesnt start to hit stride,until a couple of years later in the second Mercado fight
Re: Bernard Hopkins Vs Julian Jackson
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Originally Posted by Bomp
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Bomp
Prime B-hop for me, probably by KO as well after wearing him down. JJ was one hell of a puncher though, freakish power, but still reckon the best chins could handle him like Hagler. McCallum managed it, once he got over the rough patch he just broke him down.
He didn't catch McCallum flush though he caught him few good shots but not flush Jackson would ko Hopkins if he made one mistake but Hopkins should win this.
I agree with you, but the point I'm trying to make is that the best fighters very rarely get caught flush. Hagler and MacCallum had excellent chins, but they were also very good at keeping there chins down, so while they often took big punches, they were never really flush shots like the one JJ landed on graham.
The impresison I get from JJ is that he was a very good fighter, but just seemed to come unstuck against the very best well schooled fighters, which is what B-hop is. Even though JJ would have a punchers chance against Hopkins, I'd rate it as a very slim chance, less than one fight in 10.
Agreed.
Re: Bernard Hopkins Vs Julian Jackson
Re: Bernard Hopkins Vs Julian Jackson
Re: Bernard Hopkins Vs Julian Jackson
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Originally Posted by ChuckNorris
Hopkins UD
I think Jackson would take the younger version of Hopkins by ko but old version of Hopkins has great defence excellent ring general ship and does not take silly risks based on these factors he would win ud.
Re: Bernard Hopkins Vs Julian Jackson
I think Hopkins could eek out a decision but I'm not really certain on the outcome. Has Hopkins ever faced a puncher like Jackson? Jacksons defeat to McCallum was when he was on the way up rather than at his peak.
Hopkins is sound tactically and he has a very good chin and I could see him cautiously earning a points victory.
Re: Bernard Hopkins Vs Julian Jackson
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Originally Posted by OwnedByPacstraightleft
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Originally Posted by ChuckNorris
Hopkins UD
I think Jackson would take the younger version of Hopkins by ko but old version of Hopkins has great defence excellent ring general ship and does not take silly risks based on these factors he would win ud.
I just can't see bernard losing by KO at any time in his career.
Re: Bernard Hopkins Vs Julian Jackson
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Originally Posted by ChuckNorris
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Originally Posted by OwnedByPacstraightleft
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Originally Posted by ChuckNorris
Hopkins UD
I think Jackson would take the younger version of Hopkins by ko but old version of Hopkins has great defence excellent ring general ship and does not take silly risks based on these factors he would win ud.
I just can't see bernard losing by KO at any time in his career.
Well he was down twice against Segundo Mercado so it is possible for Jackson to stop Hopkins if he hit him clean.
Re: Bernard Hopkins Vs Julian Jackson
"young" Bernard Hopkins wouldn have been that difficult to catch either, he threw volumes of Body Punches, but in doing so the hands were low and rarely returned to his face for protection.
Re: Bernard Hopkins Vs Julian Jackson
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Originally Posted by ChuckNorris
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Originally Posted by OwnedByPacstraightleft
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Originally Posted by ChuckNorris
Hopkins UD
I think Jackson would take the younger version of Hopkins by ko but old version of Hopkins has great defence excellent ring general ship and does not take silly risks based on these factors he would win ud.
I just can't see bernard losing by KO at any time in his career.
i agree.. however i never been a fan of hopkins only becuase he is awkard to watch from some reason? cant place it something about his style nulls my intrest
